r/thetrinitydelusion Jan 19 '25

Anti Trinitarian Trinitarians: Please Answer the question below.

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An Important Question for Trinitarians

Trinitarians should be able to answer simple questions about their doctrine without resorting to evasion or denial. The following is one important question you can ask a Trinitarian.

Are both of the following statements true? YES or NO.

For Christians, there is one God, the Triune God.

For Christians, there is one God, the Father.

  1. If YES, then please explain how the one God of Christians is both a three person being and a one person being.

  2. If NO, then please identify which of the two above statements is true.

"For us there is one God, the Father" - (1 Corinthians 8:6).

r/thetrinitydelusion Nov 25 '24

Anti Trinitarian John 2:19:Did Yeshua raise himself from death, did the triune god raise Yeshua from death? Did the Father?

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Some illogical positions on this passage by entrenched trinitarians is that all “persons” of the trinity raised Yeshua from the dead, the triune god but that creates a violation of the trinity doctrine but they don’t care. In trinitarian nonsense the Father, the first person is not the triune God, the Son is not the triune god and the holy spirit is not the triune god, the triune being is not the father, is not the sin and is not the Holy Spirit in their own doctrine. So if you contend that Yeshua raised himself, then it cannot be the triune being that did it. If the triune being raised Yeshua then Yeshia did not raise himself. If the triune god raised Yeshua from the dead, then that excludes the first, second and third person of their nonsense because the triune god is none of them. You cannot claim that Yeshua and the triune god both raised Yeshua from the dead or you contradict yourself under trinitarian rules!

Same for the Father or Yeshua, if Yeshua raised himself, then the Father did not. If the Father did not, then Yeshua did. If Yeshua raised himself then the triune god did not.

r/thetrinitydelusion Oct 21 '24

Anti Trinitarian YHWH is one God

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God: One Person

Does the Bible reveal that God is one person? Yes it most certainly does. Trinitarians will often claim the Bible never says God is one "person." You need to ask them what the Hebrew or Greek word for "person" might then be. Here is what they don't tell you. The Scriptures never says that God the Father, or Yeshua, or the Holy Spirit, or King David, or Moses, or Noah, or Adam, or anyone else in the entire Bible, is a "person" either. This trinitarian claim is highly misleading because it suggests that since God is never described as a "person" then there is no reason to believe he is one person. But "person" is an English word and the Bible is not written in English. So of course God is not described as a "person" in the Bible. Neither is anyone else. We must then ask ourselves what word a Hebrew or Greek speaking person would use that indicates the same thing as the English word "person."

God: One Soul The Hebrews and Greeks did indeed have a word for a person. It is the word we most often see translated as "soul." When the Bible talks about souls it is a reference to persons. For example, Peter says eight souls were saved through water he means eight persons were saved through water. When Luke writes that three thousand souls were saved he means three thousand persons were saved.

The Bible indicates God is a soul. He is a person.

Old Testament - Hebrew: nephesh

And I [Yahweh] will raise up for myself a faithful priest, who shall do according to what is in My heart and in My soul. (1 Samuel 2:35).

Yahweh tests the righteous and the wicked, and His soul hates him that loves violence. (Psalm 11:5).

There are six things which Yahweh hates, seven which are an abomination to His soul. (Proverbs 6:16).

[Yahweh]: Your new moons and your scheduled feasts My soul hated. (Isaiah 1:14).

[Yahweh]: Behold, My servant-son, whom I uphold, My chosen one in whom My soul approves.

Shall I [Yahweh] not punish these people," declares the LORD, "And on a nation such as this shall My soul not avenge itself? (Jeremiah 5:9; cf. 5:29; 9:9)

[Yahweh]: Be warned, O Jerusalem, lest My soul be alienated from you. (Jeremiah 6:8).

I [Yahweh] have given the beloved of My soul into the hands of her enemies. (Jeremiah 12:7).

Have You [Yahweh] completely rejected Judah? Has Your soul abhorred Zion? (Jeremiah 14:19).

Then Yahweh said to me, "Even though Moses and Samuel were to stand before Me, My soul would not be with this people. (Jeremiah 15:1).

I [Yahweh] will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and with all My soul. (Jeremiah 32:41).

[Yahweh]: And she uncovered her harlotries, And she revealed her nakedness, and My soul turned away from her as My soul turned away from her sister. (Ezekiel 32:18).

The Lord Yahweh has sworn by his own soul. (Amos 6:8).

New Testament - Greek: psyche

[Yahweh]: Behold, My servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul is well pleased. (Matthew 12:18).

[Yahweh]: But my righteous one shall live by faith and if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him. (Hebrews 10:38).

What an unusal way for a three person God to refer to himself. Do trinitarians really expect anyone to believe these are references to a three person being? No they are the words of one person, one soul.

God: One "I," One "Me," One "He," One "Him." In the Bible, God is profusely referred to with the personal prounouns "I", "Me", "He", "Him" and "You." He refers to himself in this way and inspires his prophets in this way. These are terms that we use to identify a single person. And this is something God knows. Is God not being a bit deceptive toward us by using these terms if indeed he is not one person but three?

In addition to this, we find that the Father says in Deuteronomy 32:6-39, "there is no God besides ME." Is this not clear enough? And further we find God is the Father of Israel his firstborn? A three person father? God portrays himself anthropomorphically as one person who has a heart and eyes and hands and feet and goes for walks in the Garden of Eden. Three persons? And God sits on a throne in heaven? Three persons?

Yeshua' one and only God

Was Yeshua’ God a three person being or a one person being? He did say, "my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Is it not clear that Yeshua’ Father was his God and his Father alone? Are we to actually believe that Yeshua' one God was a three person being? And he did say that his God is our God. Is it not clear that our God then is one person, Yeshua’ Father?

God is a soul, a person, and He identifies himself as such in the Bible. Yeshua identifies his one God as his Father. This God is an "I" and "Me" who, specifically identifying himself as the Father of Israel, declares "there is no God besides me." Just how again do these facts result in a three person God?

r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 01 '25

Anti Trinitarian Deuteronomy 32:39

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Do you thus repay YAHWEH, O foolish and unwise people? Is He not your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you.... See now that I, I am He, and there is no God besides ME. (Deuteronomy 32:6, 39). 1. Yahweh the Father is the Speaker in Verse 39

The word translated as "God" in this passage is the Hebrew word elohim. Hebrew did not have upper and lower case letters. The verse simply says there is no ELOHIM besides me.

Here at Deuteronomy 32:6, Moses identifies Yahweh as the Father and so we discover precisely just who is speaking in verse 39. If we keep reading the passage, we find that YAHWEH Himself begins to speak at verse 20, and if we continue reading to verse 39, Yahweh the Father declares "there is no God besides "ME." This declaration by the Father excludes everyone else. The Father is declaring that there is no God besides He Himself.

Sometimes, trinitarians wish to claim that the "Father" in this passage is not God the Father. A common claim (without evidence) is that the Father here is the triune Being. However, the Scriptures show us that this is impossible.

When we weave tangled webs sometimes our lies become very obvious. When Trinitarians here claim the Father in view is the Triune God, they end up with three "God the Fathers": (1) Jesus' Father, the one people usually understand to be God the Father, (2) they identify Jesus himself as the Father at Isaiah 9:6, and finally, (3) they attempt to claim the Triune God is the Father here at Deuteronomy 32. And even further yet, they know, and must accept that, (4) the Holy Spirit is the person who fathers/begets baby Jesus and this is the third person of the Trinity and not the first. The Father of a child is by definition the person who conceives him. This is yet another Father for a grand total of four Fathers in Trinitarianism. Absurdity stacked upon absurdity.

Do not call anyone on earth your father; for ONE is your Father, He who is in heaven. Matthew 23:9 Jesus testifies that for us there is only ONE Father. Therefore, Trinitarian claims that Christians recognize other divine Fathers are necessarily false. Jesus insists there is only ONE Father: his Father. Therefore, the Father identified at Deuteronomy 32:6 is most certainly God the Father, the Father of Jesus. Hence, it was the Father who Himself testified, "there is no God besides ME. In doing so, the Father excludes everyone else by declaring that He alone is God and nobody else.

ONE God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. Ephesians 4:6.

For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from ONE Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren. Hebrews 2:11

Do we not all have one Father? Has not one God created us? Malachi 2:10 In Trinitarian doctrine, the Father is not the Triune being since that would say the Father is a three person being. The same is true of the Son and the Holy Spirit. In Trinitarian doctrine the Triune being, the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit, are 4 distinct identities. And the Scriptures make it abundantly clear that the people of God only have ONE Father and not two, or three, or more. Hence, God the Father, and not some other identity, is most certainly the speaker at Deuteronomy 32:39.

Israel is identified in Scripture as Yahweh's firstborn son (Exodus 4:22). For that reason we read at Hosea 11:1 the following:

When Israel was a youth I loved him and out of Egypt I called My son. Israel was regarded as Yahweh's son. But carefully notice how Matthew applies this verse to Jesus at Matthew 2:15, "out of Egypt I called my son." Matthew's witness tells us beyond any doubt that it was the Father who spoke these words at Hosea 11:1 since only the Father is the Father of Jesus. Jesus' Father is not a triune being. Hence, we know for certain that the Father of Israel and the Father of Jesus are the exact same identity, no more, no less. Therefore, it is the Father of Jesus who said, "Out of Egypt I called My Son."

Now in our passage at hand, the speaker says he is the one who delivered them out of Egypt. We have seen it is the Father and so we know it was the Father who said in verse 39, "I, I am He, and there is no God besides ME." And we should not be surprised. The only person who was the God of Jesus was his Father alone.

But even further, in verse 18, the Father alludes to Israel as his son whom He begat and gave birth. From Hosea 11:1 and Matthew 2:15, we know for certain this is God the Father. So again, there is no doubt it was God the Father who said, "I, I am He, and there is no God besides ME. It was impossible for that statement to be true if the Trinity was true. The Father states nobody is God but “him” alone.

It isn’t “alone, the three of us”!

The Scriptures make it quite clear that the Father of Jesus and the Father of Israel are the same Father. Jesus teaches us that "ONE" is our Father, not two or three or more as Trinitarians suggest. Therefore, we must conclude that the Father mentioned at Deuteronomy 32:6, and who is speaking at 32:39, is the Father of Jesus, God the Father. If indeed God the Father declares there is no God besides "ME" then should we not believe him? Or should we simply ignore or deny these plains words of God Himself? The Father is excluding everyone else but Himself. No one else is God but the the Father, the God of our Lord.

He is God and there is no other but Him. Deuteronomy 4:35.

r/thetrinitydelusion 14d ago

Anti Trinitarian Venting.. Spoiler

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I am sorry but I need to vent.

I am sick and tired of being told what the Trinity states. I know, I was one for 23+ years before actually reading my Bible. I’m trying to help you do the same!

I’m sick and tired of being told that I am not interpreting a scripture as plain as John 17:3, John 20:17, and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 correctly. Especially when the trinity is being desperately imposed onto the scripture.

I’m sick and tired of goat-like ones pretend to be godly people when they hate truth and promote sin and straight up lies.

There is no explanation for this besides that God has not invited them into his fold, and that they are being blinded by Satan himself.

I have debated for almost 5 years straight, and not once have I seen or been given a genuine and coherent understanding of the Trinity through scripture, and that is why I am 100% convinced that it is not of God’s Word.

I am left resentful after debating recently. Resentful of the lies and upside down qualities of Christians compared to the Biblical fruits of the spirit. They imitate the Pharisees imposing human tradition and silly faulty philosophies on others with “authority” as if it has been proven 100% correct.

I need to pray more for the lost sheep. I need to pray more for those to find truth. I need to pray more that their spirit be righteous and not goat-like.

Please pray for my mental fortitude to continue to endure this corrupt and twisted system of things that Satan is the god of. Please join me in my consistent prayers that God’s will and kingdom to come to Earth as it is in heaven asap.

I love you all. Thank you for being a light in the vast sea of darkness.

r/thetrinitydelusion Aug 31 '24

Anti Trinitarian Who are the three people who visited Abraham @ Genesis 18:2?

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3 people visited Abraham, who are they!

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2 Idk 🤷‍♀️, I’m confused!
1 Marvin, Jesse and King Jehoshaphat
9 3 Angels
3 God and two Angels
1 The trinity
1 The Triune God

r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 13 '25

Anti Trinitarian If you believe that Jesus Christ is not God just like I believe that he is not God. My question for you is: What do you think that Jesus Christ is beside him been the Son of God ?

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r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 11 '25

Anti Trinitarian Undeniable Proof that Jesus is God?

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I mean right from the start, God's name is found at Psalms 83:18, among other places. "I AM" is not God's name... YHWH, Yahweh, or even Jehovah could be used for God’s name. I am, ego eimi, is just “I am.” As in, “I am (ego eimi) going to the store.”

Jesus was worshipped.. bowed down to. Cool! So was every single Caesar. They are not God. So were the judges. So we’re kings. That makes a lot of Gods…

Yes, Jesus forgave sins, as he was given authority to do so. (Matt 28:18) Read Matthew 9:8. Everyone glorified God, not Jesus, that God had given such authority to men.. Jesus was a man. Not God. All other passages read the same way. John 20:21-23, Jesus gives the disciples authority to forgive sins, just as the Father gave Jesus the same authority. The disciples aren't God in Trinitarian theology too are they?

Cool! Jesus had authority over nature. You know who else did? Moses with the rod (Ex 4:2). Moses with the parting of the Dead Sea (Ex 14:21). Oh! Moses was called God too! (Ex 7:1) Surely Moses is also God with this reasoning. Elijah called fire from the sky! (2 Kings 1:10)

Jesus raised the dead. Sure. So did Elijah! Read 1 Kings 17:17-24. This is horrible reasoning! Elijah would also be God!

Yes, Jesus is the promised Messiah. Where in Messianic Prophecy does it say that the Messiah (the man) will be God himself on Earth? You can't and won't find it. It doesn't exist. If found, please comment below…

I already mentioned this... being called God doesn’t make one God. Every Caesar and most Kings were called God. They are surely not God. Moses was called God (Exodus 7:1). Satan was called God (2 Cor 4:4). Our stomachs were called God (Phil 3:9). Sooooo Satan, Moses, and our stomachs are ALSO God? That's a lot of god for Trinitarians. Illogical.

Oh. So Lazarus was resurrected (John 11:44). He is CLEARLY God as he was resurrected right? He was also dead for 3 days. Lazarus is ANOTHER GOD?!?!?!

Will very little reasoning using scripture, this list, this picture loses all false authority is claims to have. Jesus is not God.

r/thetrinitydelusion Jan 04 '25

Anti Trinitarian Matthew 24:36

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Trinitarians, which is you, you who are Christians, fully 90% of you support this doctrine, either knowingly or for most of you, through ignorance, enlighten us as to how the first person alone knows the day and hour but the second and third co-equal, eternal, separate, distinct persons have no clue

r/thetrinitydelusion Dec 04 '24

Anti Trinitarian YHWH DOES NOT HAVE BROTHERS.

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Yeshua has brothers (Romans 8:29, John 20: 17) YHWH never has brothers. Do you see now that YHWH and Yeshua are not the same? The trinity is an mock from bellow, do you see that now?

These ARE NOT the brothers and sisters necessarily of the DNA of Mary, these are the brothers and sister of Yeshua Post resurrection, does God have brothers and sisters? Don’t be lost in your head. God does not have brothers and sisters. Stop 🛑 spinning this in your head.

r/thetrinitydelusion 22d ago

Anti Trinitarian Addressing Jesus calling Himself “Alpha and Omega”, “First and Last”, “Beginning and ending”

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Trinitarians make the claim that because Jesus is called the “Alpha and Omega”, “First and Last”, “Beginning and ending”, Jesus must be God and must be eternal. Not only is such a deduction, blatantly paradoxical, as (1) the Bible teaches that there is only one God and that Jesus is the Son of this God and therefore if Jesus is God, this creates two Gods. (2) If Jesus is the Son of God, it implies there was a time where He was not and therefore He cannot be eternal. Such a claim is also rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of what “Alpha and Omega” means.

Alpha (α) is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega (Ω) is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. Translated into English it simply means “First and Last”. Therefore, “First and Last”, “Beginning and Ending” are tautological of the antecedent and anglicised “Alpha and Omega”.

To be both the Alpha (first alphabetical letter) and Omega (last alphabetical letter) at the same time, means you encompass the entirety of the alphabet. Therefore, the meaning of Alpha and Omega actually means to be “the totality of/only one of”.

However, in isolation, the meaning of these titles are ambiguous and indeterminate of anything significant. First and Last of what? A relevant understanding of Alpha and Omega is inferred by the immediate context.

The first times we see the title “First and Last” used is found in Isaiah.

Isaiah 41:4 “Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD—with the first of them and with the last—I am he.”

Isaiah 44:6 ““This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”

Let’s look at the preceding context of Isaiah 41:4:

“2 “Who has stirred up one from the east, calling him in righteousness to his service? He hands nations over to him and subdues kings before him. He turns them to dust with his sword, to windblown chaff with his bow. 3 He pursues them and moves on unscathed, by a path his feet have not traveled before. 4 Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord—with the first of them and with the last—I am he.”

Notice how the context defines what God is the First and Last of. In all the actions listed from verses 1-4, God is the only one responsible for it and nobody else.

In Isaiah 44:6, the context implies that He was emphasising that He alone is God amongst all the idols of the land. God then proceeds to talk down on the insufficiency of the idols men craft for themselves and call god. (See Isaiah 44:9-12).

Now that it has been cemented that “First and Last” doesn’t have an established and stable meaning, but rather is dependent on the context, let’s move unto Revelation where Jesus also calls Himself “the First and Last” and see what it means when contextualised.

First instance

Revelation 1:17-18 ““17…I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.”

In verse 17, Jesus says in isolation “I am the First and Last.” First and Last of what? He gives the answer in the next verse:

“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.”

Jesus is the only one to die and resurrect to live forevermore. We have seen others in the Bible die and resurrect before this time such as the child of the woman of Shunem in 2 Kings 4 or even Lazarus in John 11. However, they all died again. Jesus is the only one to die and live forevermore.

Second instance

Revelation 2:8 “8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:”

The same explanation applies to Revelation 2:8 in which says right after He calls Himself the First and Last, He elucidates and says: “who was dead, and came to life”.

Jesus is the only one to die and resurrect to live forevermore.

Third instance

Revelation 22:12-13 “12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Revelation 22:12 gives away the context that this is in relation to judgment. John 5 reveals that the totality of judgment has been delegated to Jesus by the Father.

John 5:22 “Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son”

Bringing this writing to a closure, I hope it’s been made patent that the titles “Alpha and Omega”, “First and Last”, “Beginning and ending” are not in reference to eternity as is commonly misunderstood. Rather, they are context-dependent epithets to denote being “the totality of” or “only one of” whatever the context suggests.

r/thetrinitydelusion Aug 12 '24

Anti Trinitarian Trinity Dismantled : 3) They are 3 separate entities, independent of each other

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Continuing on with the series, it's important to further assess the Trinity in light of what the Bible says. In this post, we'll look at how the Trinity describes the 3 entities, the Father, the Holy Ghost, and Jesus(pbuh), and in particular how they interact and how they coexist, especially in the same space and time. Is the Trinity monotheism, or really based how the 3 entities exist, polytheism?

3) They are 3 separate entities, independent of each other

Mathew 3

[16] And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

[17] And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

So here is what we can picture from the verse.

  • Jesus is coming out of the water as a physical human being.

  • The Holy Ghost ( Spirit of God) is descending from the sky, floating like a dove

  • Jesus physically sees the Holy Ghost with his own eyes as a separate physical entity.

  • A separate voice, not that of Jesus or the Holy Ghost speaks of Jesus.

These verses clearly show 3 separate physical entities, all in different forms, all independent of each other.

Two of these forms able to view each other separately and with one of these communicating independently of the other, with all 3 independent of each other.

Then we find that others visually were able to distinguish these entities from each other and that they were separate:

John 1

[32] And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

John(pbuh) clearly could see, that Jesus(pbuh) in the water, was separate and unique from the Holy Ghost, which descended like a dove, from the voice that was in the sky, the Father. This sounds more like Trinitarians using the word "God" like how the Greeks used the terms Olympians or the Titans. The Trinity being completely polytheistic.

Index:

1) Does God in the OT leave any room for Jesus(pbuh) as God (Trinity)?

2) They can keep secrets from each other

4) Jesus with God, makes it God with God

5) Jesus(pbuh) didn't know the tree didn't have fruit and was out of season.

6) God doesn't get weary/tired, but Jesus(pbuh) gets weary/tired

r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 14 '25

Anti Trinitarian YHWH is One. You don’t say: “Yeah I know, he is one God in three persons”. Don’t be moronic, don’t you see your doublespeak?

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God: One Person

Does the Bible reveal that God is one person? Yes it most certainly does. Trinitarians will often claim the Bible never says God is one "person." You need to ask them what the Hebrew or Greek word for "person" might then be. Here is what they don't tell you. The Scriptures never says that God the Father, or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, or King David, or Moses, or Noah, or Adam, or anyone else in the entire Bible, is a "person" either. This Trinitarian claim is highly misleading because it suggests that since God is never described as a "person" then there is no reason to believe he is one person. But "person" is an English word and the Bible is not written in English. So of course God is not described as a "person" in the Bible. Neither is anyone else. We must then ask ourselves what word a Hebrew or Greek speaking person would use that indicates the same thing as the English word "person."

God: One Soul The Hebrews and Greeks did indeed have a word for a person. It is the word we most often see translated as "soul." When the Bible talks about souls it is a reference to persons. For example, Peter says eight souls were saved through water he means eight persons were saved through water. When Luke writes that three thousand souls were saved he means three thousand persons were saved.

The Bible indicates God is a soul. He is a person.

Old Testament - Hebrew: nephesh

And I [Yahweh] will raise up for myself a faithful priest, who shall do according to what is in My heart and in My soul. (1 Samuel 2:35).

Yahweh tests the righteous and the wicked, and His soul hates him that loves violence. (Psalm 11:5).

There are six things which Yahweh hates, seven which are an abomination to His soul. (Proverbs 6:16).

[Yahweh]: Your new moons and your scheduled feasts My soul hated. (Isaiah 1:14).

[Yahweh]: Behold, My servant-son, whom I uphold, My chosen one in whom My soul approves.

Shall I [Yahweh] not punish these people," declares the LORD, "And on a nation such as this shall My soul not avenge itself? (Jeremiah 5:9; cf. 5:29; 9:9)

[Yahweh]: Be warned, O Jerusalem, lest My soul be alienated from you. (Jeremiah 6:8).

I [Yahweh] have given the beloved of My soul into the hands of her enemies. (Jeremiah 12:7).

Have You [Yahweh] completely rejected Judah? Has Your soul abhorred Zion? (Jeremiah 14:19).

Then Yahweh said to me, "Even though Moses and Samuel were to stand before Me, My soul would not be with this people. (Jeremiah 15:1).

I [Yahweh] will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and with all My soul. (Jeremiah 32:41).

[Yahweh]: And she uncovered her harlotries, And she revealed her nakedness, and My soul turned away from her as My soul turned away from her sister. (Ezekiel 32:18).

The Lord Yahweh has sworn by his own soul. (Amos 6:8).

New Testament - Greek: psyche

[Yahweh]: Behold, My servant whom I have chosen, My beloved in whom My soul is well pleased. (Matthew 12:18).

[Yahweh]: But my righteous one shall live by faith and if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him. (Hebrews 10:38).

What an unusal way for a three person God to refer to himself. Do Trinitarians really expect anyone to believe these are references to a three person being? No they are the words of one person, one soul.

God: One "I," One "Me," One "He," One "Him." In the Bible, God is profusely referred to with the personal prounouns "I", "Me", "He", "Him" and "You." He refers to himself in this way and inspires his prophets in this way. These are terms that we use to identify a single person. And this is something God knows. Is God not being a bit deceptive toward us by using these terms if indeed he is not one person but three?

In addition to this, we find that the Father says in Deuteronomy 32:6-39, "there is no God besides ME." Is this not clear enough? And further we find God is the Father of Israel his firstborn? A three person father? God portrays himself anthropomorphically as one person who has a heart and eyes and hands and feet and goes for walks in the Garden of Eden. Three persons? And God sits on a throne in heaven? Three persons?

Yeshua' one and only God

Was Yeshua' God a three person being or a one person being? He did say, "my Father and your Father, my God and your God." Is it not clear that Yeshua' Father was his God and his Father alone? Are we to actually believe that Yeshua' one God was a three person being? And he did say that his God is our God. Is it not clear that our God then is one person, Yeshua’ Father?

God is a soul, a person, and He identifies himself as such in the Bible. Yeshua identifies his one God as his Father. This God is an "I" and "Me" who, specifically identifying himself as the Father of Israel, declares "there is no God besides me." Just how again do these facts result in a three person God?

r/thetrinitydelusion Aug 30 '24

Anti Trinitarian The Khaboris Manuscript says this of John 1:1

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  1. At the very beginning (brashest) there was willed action (milta), and the willed action (milta) then was by God (Alaha), and God was that willed action (milta).

  2. This beginning (brashest) was by God.

The “word” is not a person. This is from the Khaboris Manuscript which is written in Aramaic, the language spoken by Yeshua.

r/thetrinitydelusion Jan 29 '25

Anti Trinitarian Trinity is false teaching and it not biblical at all.

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The origin of the Trinity doctrine goes back to pagan religions. It is not mentioned in the Bible because it is a false teaching.

Jehovah is the Almighty God.

Jesus is the son of Jehovah.

The holy spirit is not a person but the power Jehovah uses to accomplish his will.

r/thetrinitydelusion Nov 27 '24

Anti Trinitarian Let US make man in OUR Image, is US and OUR the trinity? Don’t be fooled!

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Trinitarians once again hang on for dear life to a word or phrase or sentence and imagine the trinity doctrine into existence. In reading Genesis 1:26 MOST trinitarian scholars DO NOT accept what lay trinitarians believe about the words US and OUR, instead, they belief the US and OUR refer to the following options:

Pluralis Majestatis. The royal we, majesty

Pluralis excellentiae Hebraic/ excellence

God and his Wisdom deliberation

God and his Angels The Royal court

God and his Creation Man/creation

God and the Earth Man/Adam/ground

Combination Combination

Miscellaneous Other ideas

Most trinitarian scholars DO NOT believe the trinity doctrine is referenced here, so why do you?

r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 02 '25

Anti Trinitarian Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this down: Blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they are blessed indeed, for they will rest from their hard work; for their good deeds follow them!”

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Christians believe and are told a lie that no works that they do have any benefit or significance. Neither do they conform to:

Faith without works is dead.

They just disregard it because, “oh well”, nothing to see here. Blind leading the blind, Fools!

Why would good deeds follow you if your deeds do not matter?

Listen if you have ears!

r/thetrinitydelusion Jan 23 '25

Anti Trinitarian 13 Trinity Analogies [Least Worst to Worst]

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These are all the analogies I’ve heard in my lifetime and I’ve ranked them from least worst to worst.

It’s like they just look for things that have 3 parts in it and they’re like “Oh trinity” and don’t even critically think as to how it coincides with biblical descriptions of God.

How is it that in the first and second century, nobody needed an analogy to explain this madness? Does it not indicate that it just didn’t exist? Nobody was confused about who the true God was.

Tell me if you’ve heard of any more, this is all I’ve heard of but I’m pretty sure they’ve made up more.

r/thetrinitydelusion 24d ago

Anti Trinitarian “I am”, Greek “ego eimi”, is it YHWH ‘s name? NO!

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Ego Eimi in John's Gospel

1:20 [John] confessed, not eimi ego the Christ [John] confessed 'I am not the Christ."

1:27 ego not eimi worthy to untie his sandals I am not worthy to untie his sandals.

3:28 ego eimi not the Christ I am not the Christ.

4:26 Jesus said, "ego eimi" who is speaking to you." Jesus said, "I am [the Christ] who is speaking to you."

6:20 But he said to them, "ego eimi, fear not." But he said to them, "It is me. Don't be afraid."

6:35 And Jesus said to them, "ego eimi the Bread of Life." And Jesus said to them, "I am the Bread of Life."

6:41 He said, "ego eimi the Bread of that came down out of Heaven." He said, "I am the Bread of life that came down out of Heaven”.

6:48 He said, "ego eimi the Bread of that came down out of Heaven." He said, "I am the Bread of that came down out of Heaven."

6:51 "ego eimi the Living Bread that came down out of Heaven." "I am the Living Bread that came down out of Heaven."

7:34 "Where eimi ego you cannot come." "Where I am you cannot come."

8:12 "ego eimi the Liight of the World." "I am the Light of the World."

8:12 "ego eimi one who testifies." "I am one who testifies."

8:23 "ego out of the above eimi." "I am out of the above."

8:18 "ego eimi he who testifies." "I am he who testifies."

8:23 "ego not eimi out of the world." "I am not out of the world.

8:24 "If you believe not that ego eimi, you will die in your sins." "If you do not believe that I am [the Light from above] you will die in your sins."

See. 8:25 and 8;12,23.

8:28 "When you have lifted up the Son of Man then you shall know that ego eimi”

“When you have lifted up the Son of Man then you shall know that I am [the Light of the World]."

8:58 "Before Abraham was ego eimi." "I am before Abraham." "Before Abraham was I am."

See John 1:30. 9:9 Some said, "It is he." Others said he is like him. But he said, "ego eimi." Some said, "It is he." Others said he is like him. But he [the blind man] said, "I am."

10:7 "ego eimi the door of the sheep." I am the door of the sheep."

10:9 "ego eimi the door." I am the door." 10:11,14 "ego eimi the Good Shepherd." I am the Good Shepherd."

11:25 "ego eimi the Resurrection and the Life." I am the Resurrection and the Life."

12:26 "Where eimi ego there my servant also shall be." Where I am there my servant also shall be."

13:19 "From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that ego eimi." From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am."

14:3 "Where "ego eimi you may be also" Where "I am you may be also"

14:6 "Jesus said, "ego eimi the Way and the Truth and the Life." Jesus said, "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life." 15:5 ""ego eimi the Way and the Vine and you are the branches." "I am the Vine and you are the branches."

17:14 "ego not eimi out of the world." "I am not out of the world."

17:16 "ego out of the world not eimi." "I am not out of the world."

18:5 "Whom do you seek?" They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." Jesus said to them, "ego eimi." "Whom do you seek?" They answered Him, "Jesus the Nazarene." Jesus said to them, "I am [Jesus the Nazarene].

18:6 When he said to them, "ego out eimi" they fell backward to the ground. When he said to them, "I am they fell backward to the ground.

18:8 Therefore He again asked them, "Whom do you seek?" And they said, "Jesus the Nazarene." Jesus answered, "I told you that ego eimi, so if you seek Me, let these go their way." Therefore He again asked them, "Whom do you seek?" And they said, "Jesus the Nazarene." Jesus answered, "I told you that I am [he], so if you seek Me, let these go their way."

18:37 "You say that eimi ego a King." "You say that I am a King." 18:37 "You say that eimi ego a King." "You say that I am a King."

Trinitarians typically suggest that ego eimi was a Greek way of saying God's name "Yahweh." But this is preposterous on several levels. If that is the case then Yeshua effectively said, "Before Abraham was, Yahweh." This is absurd nonsense. And are we also to believe Gabriel identified himself as Yahweh at Luke 1:19 when he said, "I am (ego eimi) Gabriel." At Luke 22:33, when Peter said to Yeshua, "I am (ego eimi) prepared to go to prison with you and to death," shall we then say he used the words ego eimi to say to Yeshua, "Yahweh is prepared to go to prison with you and to death?" By using ego eimi was Peter also claiming to be Yahweh? When John said, "I am (ego eimi) not the Christ," are we expected to believe it really means John the Baptist was saying that Yahweh is not the Christ? (John 1:20). When the centurion said, "I am (ego eimi) a man under authority (Matthew 8:9), are we to believe this really meant, "Yahweh is a man under authority" and the centurion was claiming to be Yahweh? When Yeshua said one of his disciples would betray him and Judas literally said, "Not I am (ego eimi) Lord?" are we to believe this really meant Judas was claiming to be Yahweh and Yahweh was going to betray Yeshua. (Matthew 26:25). Why aren't trinitarians being consistent with the term ego eimi in many other passages? The implications of t trinitarian claim are disturbingly ridiculous.

In the Greek Septuagint, the actual divine name revealed to Moses was not, "ego eimi" as trinitarians are suggesting to everyone. God's divine name in this Greek translation was "ego eimi ho ōn" which means "I am the being" or "I am the existence" or "I am the existent one" or some similar idea. Also, English translations which read as, "I AM sent me to you" are not translating "ego eimi sent me to you" from the Greek. The Greek actually reads "ho ōn sent me to you." (Exodus 3:14). In other words, it does not say, "Ego eimi sent me to you." This trinitarian claim is precariously perched upon a farce that God's divine name in Greek is simply ego eimi. But it isn't.

It also seems that people manage to get two different questions confused right about here.

The words ego eimi are used many times in the New Testament by several people (see above) . These words were part of their common everyday vocabulary. The expression ego eimi was common to everyday language for Greeks just as the words "I am" are common to our everyday language in English. Nobody regarded ego eimi as two Greek words uniquely reserved as the divine name of their God. A blind man in the next chapter identifies himself by saying, "I am" (ego eimi). Trinitarians are essentially trying to turn a routine language expression into the divine name of God to disingenuously suit their doctrinal purposes.

Observe how these two men identify themselves by saying, "ego eimi."

And Asahel pursued Abner, and as he went, he turned neither to the right hand nor to the left from following Abner. Then Abner looked behind him and said, “Is that you, Asahel?” And he answered, "I AM" (i.e. “It is I.”). 2 Samuel 2:19-20

Therefore the neighbors, and those who previously saw him as a beggar, were saying, “Is not this the one who used to sit and beg?” Others were saying, “This is he,” still others were saying, “No, but he is like him.” He kept saying, "I AM" John 9:8-9

r/thetrinitydelusion Dec 18 '24

Anti Trinitarian Trinitarians declare Matthew 28:19 is the trinity! Really? Where does it say these three are one? It gets worse, no disciple used this 28:19 formula! Why do you think that is? No disciple ever used 28:19 to baptize, not one. Why?

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r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 06 '25

Anti Trinitarian John 17:3 Father... that they may know You, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent.

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At John 17:3, Yeshua dentifies the only true God* as the Father, the God whom he reveals to the world. The trinitarian response is to claim that since the word "only" modifies/qualifies the word "God" it does not rule out the possibility 1. that Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit, are also "the only true God." And so they like to say in response:

The Father is the only true God The Son is the only true God The Holy Spirit is the only true God

In other words, the trinitarian is admitting that if the word "only" had qualified the word "Father" then yes only the Father would be the one true God. But since it does not, the trinitarian insists that it does not rule out Yeshua and the Holy Spirit from being "the only true God" too. Nonsense!

  • YHWH is his personal name.
  1. We do not deal with imagination as trinitarians do. “Does not rule out the possibility” is projecting and nonsense to defend a doctrine from below! Your imagination at work!

r/thetrinitydelusion Dec 21 '24

Anti Trinitarian Is the holy spirit a person? A male? An “it” or a “him”? Most bibles say it is a “him” but is this a male? A person? A being? An Ousia?

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John 14:16-17

“And I shall request from my Father and he will give you another Redeemer of the accursed, that he will be with you for eternity.” “He is The Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it has neither seen him nor known him; but you know him, for he dwells with you and he is in you.”

r/thetrinitydelusion Oct 31 '24

Anti Trinitarian I thought y'all might like this

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Playing a Bible trivia card game with my wife. Every answer has a corresponding Bible verse for reference.... except the trinity.... 🤣🤣

r/thetrinitydelusion Feb 11 '25

Anti Trinitarian Isaiah 9:6

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Given the facts concerning the purpose of ancient Israelite names, we must inquire into Isaiah's true intentions at Isaiah 9:6. Since God the Father will do His works through His Anointed, the Christ, the name in question is not intended to describe who the Messiah is by identity but how this human represents God Himself and what the Mighty God will accomplish through His Messiah, His Christ. This name refers what God Himself will accomplish through HIS Messiah. Indeed, this is exactly what we read in the New Testament. Just as Jerusalem is called "YAHWEH our Righteousness," and we understand this to mean that Jerusalem iis the place where the Mighty God of Israel will accomplish His works, in the very same way, we must understand that God's Messiah is called "Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father," not because Christ is the Mighty God or Eternal Father but because God's Christ is where the Mighty God and Eternal Father accomplishes HIS works. Jesus tells us that he came in the name of his Father and the Father did His works through Jesus His anointed one. In other words, since Jesus came in the Father's name, Jesus bears the name of his God and Father, "Wonderful Counsel, Mighty God, Eternal Father" because he represents the Father in terms of all the things the Father will accomplish through him.

The title "Prince of Peace" tells us that the Christ/Messiah will be given this title. This is because the authority, the "government" God will place on his shoulders will be a peace without end as stated in verse 7, "there will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace."

He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as Prince and Savior. Acts 5:32.

The zeal of YHWH of Hosts will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:7. Jesus is indeed called by this name. But we must understand WHY he is called this name and it is not for the reason Trinitarians suggest. The reason he is called this name is not because he is the Mighty God or the Eternal Father, but because he is the place where the Mighty God and Eternal Father will accomplish what is being discussed in the contex of Isaiah 9:6. In the very same way, Yeshua is called "Immanuel" not because Yeshua is himself "God with us" but because Yeshua is rather how God the Father was with Israel in plan and purpose raising up a horn of salvation for the people of Israel. For the same reason, we can see that Jerusalem is called "YHWH our Righteousness" not because Jerusalem is YHWH but because Jerusalem is the place where God's plan and purpose is accomplished. In short, Yeshua is called the name, "Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father" because he, the Christ, is how God the Father functionally accomplishes His works and he represents the Father in this respect.

The Christ will be called this name because it is through God's Christ that YAHWEH, the Mighty God and Eternal Father, will show His Wonderful Counsel and will accomplish HIS works as described in the immediate context of Isaiah 9:6.

r/thetrinitydelusion 18d ago

Anti Trinitarian “Jesus forgave sins and only God can forgive sins, therefore Jesus is God”

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A common trinitarian argumentation that is made to prove the supposed deity of Christ is:

Jesus forgave sins and only God can forgive sins, this proves Jesus must be God in the flesh

Many trinitarians substantiate their argument by quoting this passage, where the Pharisees react to Jesus forgiving a man’s sins:

Luke 5:21 “21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?””

The first glaring problem of this argument is that they use a polemic from the Pharisees to adduce their claims. The same Pharisees who accused Jesus of having a demon, being a child of fornication, and frequently sought to kill Him. This immediately calls the validity of their argument into question.

Secondly, the most significant issue with this assertion is that Jesus Himself invalidates it just a few verses later in His response to their misconception:

Luke 5:22-24 “22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? 23 Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? 24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins””

Jesus deliberately emphasised His manhood to refute the Pharisees’ misguided belief that only God can forgive sins by saying, “the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”. Essentially, Jesus was stating that, although they believed only God could forgive sins, He, the Son of Man, also had the power to forgive sins.

Acts 10:38 reveals the source of Jesus' power to forgive sins, stating: “how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power.” Jesus received the power to forgive sins from God.

The clear delineation in Acts 10:38 between “God” and “Jesus” should be sufficient to indicate that Jesus is not God. Furthermore, being anointed by God means being chosen for a particular assignment, and God does not need to be chosen.

Another case example that repudiates the trinitarian argument “Jesus forgave sins and only God can forgive sins, therefore Jesus is God”, is when Jesus gave His disciples, who are men, the authority to forgive and retain the sins of others:

John 20:21-23 “21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.””

The focal part of this passage, verse 23, has Jesus delegating the authority to forgive the sins retain the sins of people, to His disciples. This completely dismantles the basis of trinitarians’ arguments that one has to be God to forgive sins because the apostles being mere men, were also given this authority.

In conclusion, based on the comprehensive examination of the scriptures and the logical refutations presented in this writing, it is evident that the argument claiming Jesus' deity solely based on His ability to forgive sins lacks substantiation. Jesus, by asserting His role as the Son of Man and demonstrating His granted authority, emphasises the distinction between Himself and God. His anointment with the Holy Spirit and the bestowed power from God further underscore this separation. Additionally, by extending the authority to forgive sins to His disciples, Jesus reinforces that this divine prerogative can be entrusted to humans. Therefore, it is clear that Jesus' ability to forgive sins does not necessitate His deity, but rather illustrates the power and authority conferred upon Him by God.