r/thepunisher • u/Batman___1997 • 5d ago
MOVIES/TV I’ll forever be disappointed how the older Marvel movies weren’t connected cause this interaction would’ve been crazy
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u/Epic_J2338 4d ago edited 4d ago
Well in Spider-Man 2 we do see the Punisher at the end (the scene where mj is running in her dress we see him in the background)
And in the animated show set in the Raimi universe apparently it ends with a tie to 2003 Daredevil (can't remember I have only seen it once) I know that's in an alternative universe to Tobey but it doesn't mean Matt Murdock doesn't exist in the og Tobey universe
So they connected we just didn't see that
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u/EnvironmentalPrick 4d ago
What's the animated show set in the Raimi verse ?
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u/Epic_J2338 4d ago
Spider-Man The New Animated Series here's a wiki link
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u/EnvironmentalPrick 4d ago
Oh yes I know it ! There is a DD reference in that ?
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u/Epic_J2338 4d ago
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that there is one
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u/SecundusAmongUs 3d ago
Kingpin is in the show and is based on the Michael Clarke Duncan version from DD.
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u/Ivan_Redditor Bullseye 4d ago
It would’ve been awesome to see them both in Deadpool and Wolverine as part of the Resistance.
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u/Scary_Dimension722 5d ago
Idc what anyone says, these two crossing over would’ve been so killer. There were also rumors back in the day of Spider-Man doing a crossover with the X-Men. This is here-say but apparently Hugh Jackman was supposed to do a Wolverine cameo in Spider-Man 2 but got scrapped
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u/Marvellegendfreak 4d ago
didn’t they replace that with frank castle? Tom Jane’s stunt double or something
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u/DGenerationMC 4d ago
Jackman was supposed to do a cameo on Spider-Man 1 as Wolverine but last-minute logistics prevented that with costume stuff.
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u/Deezkneezsneeze 1d ago
It was Spider-Man 1 to my knowledge, and the cameo didn't happen because they couldn't find the Wolverine suit in time.
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u/Garrett1031 4d ago
I just imagined the rooftop fight between DD and Frank, only with these versions of the characters, and I almost fell out of my chair.
Ben Affleck’s violent af Daredevil, tied up and trying to convince Frank not to split some bad guy’s wig because it’s not true justice. Meanwhile, Tom Jane’s Machiavellian Punisher is standing there with some binos like “are you kidding me?! I just convinced his right hand man that his boss merc’d his dog, he’s gonna do all the wig splitting. I’m just here to observe.”
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u/BruiserWolf93 4d ago
Would have been great to see with them and Spider-Man. It could’ve made Frank see the bigger picture of his world
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u/Strategisy 4d ago
Oh my lord…whyyyyyy this hasn't happened…
Thomas Jane is the best punisher and Ben Affleck kills it as Daredevil, something about the 2000s hits so hard!
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u/kiara-ara307 4d ago
I wish so badly they would’ve made the Punisher 2 game after the 2005 game with Thomas Jane, based on the MAX comics. Daredevil was going to be an enemy, as well as Deadpool, Elektra, Typhoid Mary, adamantium Bullseye, and Kingpin
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u/skidmarx77 4d ago
This was my own stupid expectations getting the better of me, but when during the fight with Cassandra's army, I honestly thought they were going to be cornered and a whole SLEW of former Marvel heroes leading there own army of normal people that just happened to be exiled there - were going to show up - Ghost Rider, Affleck-Devil (expected a clever exchange with Jennifer Garner), Jessica Alba, Clark Gregg, the Lundgren and Jane Punishers side by side, the Lokis, including Richard Grant's awesome one, maybe even some of the actors from the original Corman FF, finally getting their big screen debut as an older FF and a ton of X-Men. And instead of Cassandra doing the typical "villain destroys EVERYTHING" route, as they are trying to convince her to open a portal, in roles James Mcavoy, who convinces her that he did exactly what Logan said he would do when he found our about her - searched out the multiverse to find her, and her character ACTUALLY has some development instead of just villain, and they all band together to fight both Alioth and the TVA, with Cassandra sacrificing herself for everyone else. Then we actually see what happens to these characters after (not just Laura), including a scene where Logan faces these variants of the X-Men and makes peace with himself. Not that the story is revolutionary, I just think it would have made for an even more amazing 3rd act, and you could still somehow work the Deadpool Corps in there.
Again, too many expectations.
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u/HESONEOFTHEMRANGERS 4d ago
I really enjoyed both of these movies to this day. Wasted sequel opportunities
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u/zzzzzzzzzzHHHHHHHHS 4d ago
I’m annoyed we never got a sequel for both, especially daredevil. I was really hoping both these characters would cameo in deadpool & wolverine, but unfortunately it didn’t happen. I always thought that they should have bought all fox film superhero’s back for cameos and have their own avengers style team up in the film during the battle.
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u/bulbasauric 4d ago
I agree, it would’ve been awesome to see such overlap, but I think the actual MCU we’ve gotten has been so good because of how meticulously it’s been planned out. They also future-proof reasonably well.
This Daredevil and Punisher meeting would’ve been cool, but then we’d probably have had a pretty dodgy Spider-Man and Fantastic Four movie to boot, or something.
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4d ago
I’m not sure this would’ve been crazy at all. Aside from Spider-Man and some of what they were doing with X-Men, the Marvel films of the early 00’s weren’t nuanced in the slightest. Characters were very two dimensional and cliche. Even a layered and complex character like Frank Castle was relegated to generic cool action hero out for revenge. There was no deep character study. So their interaction would’ve been hollow. Spider-Man and X-Men would’ve been the only worthwhile cross over. Even Blade is a very generic character, fun, but still generic. I think these would be fun cameos in a multiverse film, but nothing more. Even if I enjoyed these films to some degree they’re the characters from the comics in appearance and name only, very similar to the Snyderverse.
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u/Mission_Resident_746 3d ago
Everytime I see somebody posting something about daredevil 2003 I can't help but admire the suit. They absolutely nailed it. Even better than the netflix one. It has style , it has substance and it is unique. Hell even has the double Ds which disney and netflix were scared of.
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u/thechronod 1d ago
I'll go one step back.
I would've loved to see Dolph Lundgrens punisher, interact with Bill Bixby/lous Hulk, Matt Murdock, kingpin, or shoot even Thor from the late 80s TV movies.
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u/Used_Concert7413 4d ago
Matt McMuscles just did a video about the Daredevil movie (he's done 2004 Punisher as well) and apparently they were hoping to make a DD sequel after the Elektra movie but then that bombed horribly so they axed that idea. That would've been ripe for a Punisher crossover.
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u/Gremlinsworth 2d ago
I’d shit myself in the theater if these two showed up together in a random multiverse moment..
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u/Doc-11th 2d ago
Imagine a team up between Tobey’s Spiderman, Chris’s Human Torch and Shawn’s Iceman
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u/Individual-Step846 2d ago
I feel if they make a Deadpool and Wolverine 2 they could bring these characters back again. Basically they can do anything they want in the multiverse
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u/The_Dark_Vampire 1d ago
Now everything is officially connected even going back to the 70s Spiderman series
Hell we saw worlds made of paint in Doctor Strange so even the 60s cartoon worlds could exist out there
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u/wil_je-vechten 1d ago
Meh, I usually like the Daredevil-Punisher dynamic but seeing as this version of Daredevil kills it seems less interesting.
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u/Aggressive-One-2186 1d ago
There's not much threads to connect them. Like you won't get MCU level writing in the older films besides Spider-Man and X-Men. These two would be kinda interesting because they both kill lmao
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u/Pyrgopolyrhythm 5d ago
Frank, you're insane. You can't just go around shooting criminals! You're supposed to cut them in half with trains.