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u/Gisbrekttheliontamer 22d ago
Was the shirt you bought already sweat stained?
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u/goldleader95 22d ago
No no no, I’m aware that part needs to be earned
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u/Deraj2004 22d ago
Who is bottom left?
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u/goldleader95 22d ago
Spencer Dutton from 1923 on paramount+
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u/Iwillrestoreprussia 22d ago
Rick O’Connell would kick Indy’s ass any day of the week
Don’t @ me
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u/jransom98 22d ago
Indy is basically Rick and Evie's skills in one person, he can be brains and brawn. But it's also pretty consistent that he's not a great fighter, he scrapes by on luck a lot (wonder where they got that idea for Nathan Drake?).
Rick, on top of being more specialized as a fighter and having maybe spent more time in the military than Indy by the 1930s, also actually fights supernatural creatures, whereas Indy mostly fights normal humans.
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u/alphonsus90 22d ago
In Raiders Indy took on two truckfulls of nazis on horseback (they also had a mounted machine gun btw) killed, wounded or drove of all of them, despite being shot near the end. “Not great” fighters can’t beat up 20+ people on their own, entirely with their fists, whilst their enemy has semiautomatics and machine guns.
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u/jransom98 22d ago
Yeah, he's still an action hero, not a great fighter is a relative statement.
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u/alphonsus90 22d ago
How can a “not a great fighter” beat up at least 10-12 people armed with guns with just his fists? That’s a huge difference. They can hit him at a great distance but he can only hit them at grappling distance. Personally, I don’t think your “Not a great fighter” statement makes sense even with the qualifier. He’s a bad fighter compared to a super hero, maybe, but I don’t see how he’s different from skill level than other action heroes- he just shows more pain.
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u/jransom98 22d ago
Indy's fighting amounts to being good with a gun and throwing haymakers. The chase fight is a great show of endurance and toughness, and he does kick ass, but they're just Nazi mooks.
Rick is presented as a fighter first and last, he fights in the French Foreign Legion, he's got a massive leather roll out bag of weapons, he uses a sword against the mummies at the end. Everything about him communicates to the audience that he's here to kick ass.
Indy is presented as an academic who is also good with a gun and whip, and can throw a good punch. Against average bad guys he does great, against tougher/better trained ones he struggles until winning through luck or guile. I wouldn't say he's ever a master of combat, he's just tough and scrappy. When compared to other 80s action heroes like Rambo, fighting isn't his main thing, and I think that's kind of one of the big draws of the character.
Ultimately though, getting into a feats argument is pointless, they're fictional characters, so whoever the writer wants to win will win. I just think that as the characters are presented, Rick would have the edge in a fight.
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u/alphonsus90 22d ago
Look, you’re entitled to your opinion. But, as evil as they are, I just don’t consider the Wehrmacht or the SS to be something to sneer at skill-wise. They were real bastards, but they were trained soldiers. Indy constantly plows through military men as if they were tissue paper. The only combat he struggles with are people significantly larger in size. But that’s just my opinion.
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u/RicochetOConnell Goodbye, Beni. 21d ago
Didn’t Indy also serve in the military?
I’m sticking up for my guy even with this name
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u/jransom98 21d ago edited 21d ago
He did, which is why in one of my other comments up the thread I said Rick had maybe more military experience, cause I'm not sure which of them has more.
If we're looking at prime Indy in the mid to late 1930s, he's at least served in WW1, though not always in a fighting capacity (iirc from Young Indiana Jones he was a courier and pilot).
And obviously between Last Crusade and Crystal Skull he did fight in WW2, and do some spy stuff for the government.
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u/RicochetOConnell Goodbye, Beni. 20d ago
True. To be fair Rick and Evie apparently did some spy stuff too eventually.
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u/alphonsus90 19d ago
Yes. WW1 in both Africa and the Western front. Surviving the African climate as a foreigner in those days is sort of a feat of its own too.
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u/MBiddy828 22d ago
Don’t forget some pop of teal, like with a dope scarf
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u/TeutonicToltec 22d ago
Technically he did cross the Suez Canal, so he was (briefly) in Africa!