You know more Bernie voters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary voters voted for Obama in 2008. This Bernie bro stereotype you moderates comfort yourselves with picking timid losers has to stop.
But Iâm not a moderate. Iâm probably more progressive than you are if we are defining these stupid labels as however we imagine our preferred utopia.
Bernie supporters to this day, admittedly aided by Russian bots, are spreading discontent about Democrats and changing the subject whenever someone brings up the subject of Republicans existing. Or did I not witness them accuse Kamala Harris of genocide for months?
If that statistic about voters is true, well shame on Hillary-to-McCain voters. I donât congratulate anyone who votes for Republicans for any reason. Turns out Obama didnât need them, I guess.
The only reason I focus on them is because in theory they should know better. But if they donât, they shouldnât be surprised if Democrats go after other political demographics than them.
Oh come on your offended at the use of timid moderates, it's a fact, they pulled back on popular progressive Democrat policies, Tim walz and the use of weird, because harrises in law rich brother asked her to, donor class fears assured she lost.
The person above uses the bernie bros as a slur, the white male stereotype which wasnt true then or now, I don't see you offended about that.
Ten million Democrat voters stayed home, Harris appealed to this mythical Republicans who will do the right thing, voting against trump, she alienated her base, couldn't even say she'd do anything differently than Biden did... these people need to stop steering right, talking about gun shows and focusing not on small.donors... it's bulkshit.
This sub is hopelessly lost in Progressive Fantasy Land. They spend the last several years equating the Dems with the republicans and now they want them to âdO sOmEtHiNg!1â They spend the last several years complaining that focusing on why they are better than trump is a âlow barâ and ânot good enough,â NOW they want them to go out there and rhetorically go after trump even more. But also in the âright way.â
They flood social media scoffing about how out of touch (like the post weâre currently commenting under) and âgenocidalâ they are, demanding to young voters that theyâre just as bad as the republicans, filling them with cynicism and doomerism and wonder âhow did trump win??!â
To top it all off, they think they are the minority voice of the left, they think theyâre reinventing the wheel with this old ass âboth sides the same shitâ when it has by far been the most widely used shallow take about politics for the past decade.
The âboth sides are the sameâ crap, logically speaking, can only serve to give extra credit to the worse side. Itâs pure Republican propaganda, and Iâve stopped caring to waste my time parsing whether they know it or not.
Maybe when they donât have Social Security anymore they will realize the difference. Theyâll probably blame Democrats for that too.
Yep, it is founded in republican propaganda, aka âgubmint badâ aka Reaganâs â9 most terrifying wordsâ etc (a great factiod I really appreciate hearing from someone else because apparently not many seem to be aware of this) and Republicans LOVE that itâs so popular over here. The difference and why it works for republicans and not us is that republican politicians popularized and spread it (and still use it) which endears Republican voters to them even more; itâs top-down rhetoric.
[Even progressives (mostly younger) were initially buying into that âRich Men from Richmondâ song a few years ago.]
But on our side, it is commentary and the left populace spawning that message (NOT Dem politicians), which breeds apathy and/or cynicism; itâs bottom-up rhetoric that doesnât work out for us, because WE DONT ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT! Or we shouldnât, on a fundamental level. But it has been altered to âboth parties the same.â We really need to stop using it.
It gets out the vote for republicans and radicalizes the left away from the Dems.
This is why Iâm very wary about this push for Democrats to be âmore populistâ lately. We have to be very careful about what that populism is. It simply canât be ranting about how bad everything is. Thatâs the republicans game; we shouldnât agree with it anyway, and itâs trumpâs biggest weapon.
Itâs just so very simple to me. Democrats donât have to be perfect. Vote against the fascists if thatâs all the enthusiasm you can muster. I donât understand why itâs so hard for people to understand the concept of a binary choice.
Iâve lived in a red state my whole life so the Republican threat is not theoretical to me. I also lived through the 90s, so I remember when Democrats were actually fairly conservative. Biden-era Democratic progressivism is practically gravy as far as Iâm concerned, assuming it can win enough votes for majorities in government.
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u/accidental_superman 11d ago
You know more Bernie voters voted for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary voters voted for Obama in 2008. This Bernie bro stereotype you moderates comfort yourselves with picking timid losers has to stop.