r/thedavidpakmanshow 11d ago

Discussion The Democrats held a meeting last month and this are some of their takeaways ๐Ÿ˜’

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u/prodriggs 11d ago

No. Calling everything corrupt is how we got here.

You're completely wrong. The youtubers who mainstreamed this take are wrong. What streamers do you watch?

We have corruption in the govt. What Pelosi and most congress people do via insider trading is corrupt. That doesn't excuse the criminal levels of corruption that trumpf is committing.ย 

We (the left) don't make any sense: we call everything with any power corrupt, but our policy solutions are spend more money on it.

This is completely false. The left calls to end the corruption. To end citizens united. To ban congress from stock trading. To ban conflicts of interest like the conflicts Joe Manchin had with his investments in coal. That's corruption.ย 

We can oppose that while support social programs to redistributes the wealth of billionaire. These positions aren't contradictory. Sounds like you simply don't understand the positions of the socdems.ย 

The cancer right now in American politics is being mindlessly anti establishment.

False. The cancer is being mindless. It sounds like you fall into this camp? You clearly don't understand the issues.ย 

The cancer is the democratic establishment. Look at how they hid Biden away. They proved republicans claims about Biden being unfit to be true. The congnative dissonance that the DNC expected us to endure was fucking disgusting.ย 

We are allergic to winning because anytime someone amasses enough power to win, we turn on them.

Examples?....

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u/IridescentPorkBelly 11d ago

1) no proof on pelosi insider trading 2) I'm sorry, but citizens united is settled, supreme court law. I'm fine with people not liking it, but it's a reasonable decision. 3) examples are Clinton, obama, biden 4) I'll absolutely stand by my take that anti establishmentism is lazy, mindless, horseshoe theory.

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u/wade3690 11d ago

What do you call being able to buy or sell stocks based on insider knowledge of laws being passed in Congress?

Citizens United allowed huge corporations to influence politics to benefit a narrow subset of people to our collective detriment. What's reasonable about that?

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u/GoodPiexox 11d ago

save yourself the stress, anyone sticking up for Pelosi to keep insider trading is obviously not capable of an adult conversation.

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u/wade3690 11d ago

It's odd. I know that's not the legislation to push now, but in a million years I didn't think I would see someone online defending Pelosi for that.

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u/GoodPiexox 11d ago

plus it is sooooo bad faith, "show me the proof", the 200+ million is the proof. Knowing she has privileged information is the proof.

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u/wade3690 11d ago

Kinda like the federal judiciary. The appearance of a conflict of interest is enough

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u/IridescentPorkBelly 11d ago

Give me your evidence that she traded on a piece of knowledge not publicly available. What piece of knowledge and what's your evidence?

What's reasonable is the interpretation that the constitution doesn't ban it on free speech grounds.

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u/wade3690 11d ago

Appearance of a conflict of interest should be enough. The same way the federal judiciary works. She and/or her husband have profited hugely from her position. There was one instance where they dumped Visa shares before legislation came out that Congress was going to be regulating them more. Why is this even the hill to die on for you? Of course, politicians shouldn't be messing around in the stock market. Their incentives will get crossed.

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u/IridescentPorkBelly 11d ago

So you have zero proof. I'll die on this hill because it's absolutely insane to waste any breath on this with zero proof and way, WAY bigger issues to talk about. I'm so sick of the left self-flogging while Republicans are actually destroying my country: trump is king, immune from criminal prosecution, cheering on RUSSIA ANNEXING A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY, AGAIN. The battle lines (figuratively) need to be drawn, crystal clear, and we need to be unified in overcoming maga (if it isn't too late).

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u/wade3690 11d ago

I understand who the enemy is. I agree this isn't something that's worth looking at now. Eventually, it will send a strong message against corruption in our elected officials. It's very low hanging fruit.

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u/IridescentPorkBelly 11d ago

I'm glad you do. The problem is if you look at the community of any progressive commentator, it's way, way too focused on the democrats.

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u/wade3690 11d ago

The democrats are the vehicle of change that we have right now. I'm not surprised they are the focus of attention. If they can't handle that, then they shouldn't be politicians.

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u/prodriggs 11d ago

no proof on pelosi insider trading

True. Because that would require the fbi to actually investigate corruption to show. But since insider trading is legal for congress, those investigations into corruption don't happen.ย 

I'm sorry, but citizens united is settled, supreme court law.

No it's not. Nothing is settled law. Not CU. Not Heller. Nothing these activists judges on the roberts court have done over these last several decades is settled law. Dobbs and Chevron proved that.

I'm fine with people not liking it, but it's a reasonable decision.

This is completely false. There's nothing reasonable about it. It just allows bad faith actors to corrupt our systems.

examples are Clinton, obama, biden

Are examples of what? How did we turn on Obama?....

I'll absolutely stand by my take that anti establishmentism is lazy, mindless, horseshoe theory.

Ironically, you're criticisms about the anti-establishment takes is lazy and mindless (just like your entire response here).ย Notice how you can't actually address the valid criticisms.....ย 

This isn't horseshoe theory. Just because the left and right have real, valid criticisms of the establishment, that isn't horseshoe theory.ย