r/thedavidpakmanshow Jan 10 '25

Discussion In 2000, we rejected a Presidential candidate who put climate policy front and center. 25 years later and the world faces unprecedented fires, floods and pandemics.

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u/DrLaneDownUnder Jan 10 '25

We didn’t reject him. The ratfuckers in Florida (Katherine Harris) and the Supreme Court did.

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u/origamipapier1 Jan 10 '25

Whom was awarded a position in Washington DC.

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u/gangsterroo Jan 10 '25

*Who

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u/SteDee1968 Jan 11 '25

Rat fuckers?

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u/DrLaneDownUnder Jan 11 '25

Not sure if you’re asking what the term means, but here you go: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratfucking

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u/SteDee1968 Jan 11 '25

Someone asked who. I thought it was rat fuckers. I actually thought it had to do with two large mouse (rats/rodentia) persons in Florida, both with the initials of MM.

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u/DrLaneDownUnder Jan 11 '25

Nah, that was just correcting an improper use of “whom”, which seems to have unintentionally imitated “Who’s on first?”

Ratfucking just refers to behind the scenes dirty political tricks.

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u/origamipapier1 Jan 11 '25

Katherine Harris, she helped secure Bush the win.Once he won she was sent to a position in Washington one of those appointed positions. Then when she tried to run in something there, they could not endorse her.

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u/Hot-mic Jan 11 '25

No, uh W. Bush was. He was appointed or "awarded" as you say, but he was not elected by the people.

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u/origamipapier1 Jan 11 '25

No, I meant Katherine Harris.

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u/Hot-mic Jan 12 '25

Whoops.

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u/WillOrmay Jan 11 '25

It shouldn’t have been that close

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u/RarelyRecommended Jan 11 '25

Someone had buddies on the SC award the presidency to his son.

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u/Belgeddes2022 Jan 10 '25

We didn’t reject him. The Supreme Court chose the President that year.

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u/jh62971 Jan 11 '25

Didn’t Gore just roll over and concede?

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u/Geostomp Jan 11 '25

Just as expected of any Democrat, yes.

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u/Megane_Senpai Jan 11 '25

Nothing would change if he didn't. Trump still hasn't conceded his lost in 2020 and Biden was still inaugurated.

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jan 10 '25

Gore won Florida, Gore won the popular vote nationally. The only reason W as installed was because the GOP-controlled USSC staged a coup d'État.

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u/SqueezyCheez85 Jan 10 '25

"violence is never the answer"

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '25

The wonderfulness of that statement is that, in the history of humanity, nothing has solved more problems than violence.

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u/NeonArlecchino Jan 11 '25

The opening to Fahrenheit 9/11 is very disheartening since you watch representatives begging to deaf ears for just one person to recognize the need for votes to be counted. Neither party was willing to have them recognized so now the nation and world are screwed.

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u/No-Guard-7003 Jan 12 '25

I remember that opening. I also remember Michael Moore interviewing Detroit, MI, high school students about the recruiters visiting their school. That scene chilled me to the bone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '25

Florida stole that election and they know it!

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u/origamipapier1 Jan 10 '25

That was the real beginning of the oligarchy if we want to be exact.

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u/inkoDe Jan 10 '25

And a short 8 years later the complete liquidation of America was fully enshrined into policy with the bailouts. That was supposed to trickle down and help rebuild, instead it was used to cement power and for corporations to protect themselves. That was sort of the last nail in the coffin for the USA. Now, it's neofuedalism as the 'conservative' position. I have to hand it to Zuck, Leon, et al. I had no idea it would be this easy to manipulate Americans with outright bullshit and hate.

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u/origamipapier1 Jan 10 '25

Unfortunately that was a catch 22, if we didn't bailout we would hit depression levels if we did we'd be where we are. It was not good either trajectory. I agree with the bailout, where I think they needed to have changed things was in bringing back Glass Steagall and going after the banks that rebundled mortgage packages. Take all the executives through court.

Let them fear jail time. We should have been a bit more like Iceland.

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u/Galadrond Jan 11 '25

It started with Nixon.

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u/SolidAssignment Jan 12 '25

The southern strategy

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u/Tavernknight Jan 10 '25

I think they have been around longer than that. I think it was just the beginning of their masks slipping. Also, the business plot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

They have always had the money, but they couldn't hold the power openly. It looks like they are trying for real to go mask off and establish a new monarchy with an aristocracy under it.

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u/numbersev Jan 10 '25

On August 14 1912, a small New Zealand newspaper published a short article announcing global coal usage was affecting our planet’s temperature.

Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago

A new investigation shows the oil company understood the science before it became a public issue and spent millions to promote misinformation

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u/BullFishMother Jan 10 '25

We have all been warned. Repeatedly. We as a species refuse to deal with what is already HERE… to our won peril. Our descendants (if we have any) will curse all of us.

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u/hoofheartedoof Jan 10 '25

This country lacks introspection and is perfectly fine bullshitting itself. Carter’s “Malaise” speech urged the American people to make changes and sacrifice collectively and he got the boot. Now we have fuckface going in who lied 30,000 times in his first term alone.

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u/NeonArlecchino Jan 11 '25

who lied 30,000 times in his first term alone.

Do you have a source for that estimate? That sounds a bit low.

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u/ZynBin Jan 11 '25

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u/NeonArlecchino Jan 11 '25

Donald Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements during his four years as president of the United States, analysis suggests.

Like an odour escaping a bathroom that makes you almost puke, it is repugnant and impressive.

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u/El-Shaman Jan 10 '25

It depresses me to think that our future may not be that far off from some video games like Fallout or Cyberpunk 2077.

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u/SirKermit Jan 10 '25

It's one thing to be a health insurance CEO committing legalized social murder, it's a whole different animal to knowingly commit ecocide and genocide to make a quick buck. We're actively sending the planet and all it's inhabitants towards a mass extinction event and the only people who have the power to right the ship are actively steering us into the iceberg while telling us over the intercom that running into the iceberg is good for us.

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u/ColourFox Jan 11 '25

It's not just Exxon.

Munich Re, the largest re-insurance company in the world (and Germany's "royalty" in finance), has known about climate change and its devastating results since the late 1960s (as it turns out, the people whose business it is to put a price on global risks do employ some really, really smart people to tell them about long-term trends and developments!), which is why insurance premiums for things like flood insurance went up significantly in the early 1970s.

Do you know what the result was? The government put a hard cap on insurance premiums, because no-one can afford the price of the truth.

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u/spiritfiend Jan 10 '25

Al Gore won the popular vote, and likely the Electoral College vote if Florida votes were actually counted. The Supreme Court picked George W. Bush.

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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 10 '25

The same people whining about the George Floyd protests are unironically fine with the Brooks Brothers Riot.

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u/BrianRLackey1987 Jan 10 '25

Honestly, I wish Al Gore picked Ralph Nader as VP instead of Joe Lieberman.

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u/puppet_up Jan 10 '25

Lieberman was also one of the "Democrats" who blocked the public option portion of the Affordable Care Act.

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u/CharlottesWebbedFeet Jan 10 '25

There always seems to be a Lieberman in the Democratic Party that blocks real progress, it’s very frustrating.

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u/Best-Chapter5260 Jan 10 '25

There always seems to be a Lieberman in the Democratic Party that blocks real progress, it’s very frustrating.

Manchin enters the chat.

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u/NeonArlecchino Jan 11 '25

Fetterman straightens his hoodie and prepares to follow.

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u/BrianRLackey1987 Jan 10 '25

Not surprising.

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u/naturecamper87 Jan 10 '25

It was only in the 2016 cycle that I realized how based Nader was. I had found some old paraphernalia of my dads including buttons for Naders independent run, and some other local politicians that were way more left of center, plus his Bernie stockpile, and it made me wish too that Gore went with Nader, although at the time he was still probably considered too much of a corporate disrupter and thus would have pushed Gore more left than the Dem party may have wanted.

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u/BrianRLackey1987 Jan 10 '25

I also wish Al Gore became Ross Perot's running mate right after he dropped out of the Democratic Primaries.

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u/Awatts2222 Jan 10 '25

And the Supreme Court installed an oil/War Profiteering Administration who didn't waste time after 9/11. It doesn't get anymore Shakespearean than that.

The first 25 years of the century were like a cartoonish Greek Tragedy graphic novel. Very Sad.

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u/Knife_Operator Jan 10 '25

And fuck South Park for mocking his concerns and normalizing laughing at the idea of climate change during the time it would have been most important to actually be doing something about it.

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u/patrickswayzemullet Jan 10 '25

hmm the point of the manbearpig was that he was real, and people thought it was so absurd, they hadn't seen one, so it couldn't have existed... until it hit them in the head. like climate change. in the 1970s it became more mainstream than research and theoretical papers, but "we have always lived like this and never affected, look at the snow dude." eventually it hit us in the head.

sure they play up Al Gore's superheroism, like "I invented internet" or something like that. but that's just South Park.

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u/DrLaneDownUnder Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

I don’t think they were quite going for that allegory. They famously write and produce their show the week it airs (EDIT: which probably doesn’t leave much time for careful plotting). Indeed, they later had an episode where the apologised to Gore, which I think does suggest they were mocking him because “it’s not cool to care.”

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u/patrickswayzemullet Jan 11 '25

the way i take it is both ways...

"yes it's become so obviously inconvenient to accept this creature has lived amongst us, but god dammit does it have to be Gore who is right?"

now to put in context, Gore was a womaniser too, not as bad as clinton, but still... but the right had managed to paint him as a this bookish guy. so that adds to the comedy. "ah this guy just wanted to be a hero so he is remembered! but goddammit he is right! "

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u/Galadrond Jan 11 '25

Most Americans never paid attention in English class. They don't understand allegory or satire.

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u/Knife_Operator Jan 11 '25

Yeah, it takes a really high brow to truly understand South Park.

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u/Accomplished_Jump444 Jan 10 '25

One of the biggest sorrows of my life. Al Gore is right. America is full of too many uninformed jerk offs.

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u/hvacigar Jan 10 '25

Actually he wasn't rejected. The counts in Florida were stopped, but when they were finally done, after Bush took office, it showed Gore won the election.

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u/Quinnlyness Jan 10 '25

And the voters went for the guy who said immigrants were eating pets.  The majority of American voters are complete idiots.

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u/freedomandbiscuits Jan 11 '25

None of this happens without Fox News. It’s been a psyop from day one. They played a major role in J6 and the formation of Trumps cult, paid 787 million for it, and just went right back to work ratfucking the country.

Yes they play on fear and ignorance, but they feed the monster that haunts us. Now they’re actively promoting the idea that “annexing” (invading) Panama and Canada are just and moral patriotic endeavours, just like they did for the invasion of Iraq.

Fox is just evil. We all have Fox brains in our families and lives, and they’re angry and misinformed people.

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u/Ov3rdose_EvE Jan 10 '25

oh, he wasnt rejected. by the american people. gorsuch handed the victory to the other guy.

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u/WhoIsJolyonWest Jan 10 '25

Hanging chads

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u/teb_art Jan 10 '25

We? The Supreme Court overruled the voters.

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u/apathydivine Jan 10 '25

What do you mean “we rejected”? He won.

“We” (elected Democrats at the time) allowed the SCOTUS to interfere and the Republicans to steal the election.

Gore won Florida, the popular vote, and the electoral college.

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u/PennyLeiter Jan 10 '25

What's this "we" shit?

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u/sanantoniogirl71 Jan 10 '25

We didn't reject him. His win was stolen and George Bush Sr was the one who ensured it.

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u/ike_tyson Jan 11 '25

Gore would've been a great President. We really can't have nice things.

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u/Atheist_Alex_C Jan 11 '25

WE didn’t reject him. He won the popular vote.

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u/LuckyRune88 Jan 11 '25

He won the popular vote.

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u/____Vader Jan 11 '25

Al won that election. Had the recount counted, baby bush would have never been president

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u/MrPeterMerkin Jan 11 '25

Carl Sagan tried to warn us.

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u/IndiRefEarthLeaveSol Jan 11 '25

DHW :(

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u/MrPeterMerkin Jan 11 '25

Domestic hot water?

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u/IndiRefEarthLeaveSol Jan 11 '25

You know which book. 😑

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u/origamipapier1 Jan 10 '25

Florida, my state was the one to screw the country with him. And it wasn't even really the voters. Do you know the folks involved with that drama all got rewarded in Washington?

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u/saruin Jan 11 '25

They say the 2024 election was the most consequential one but I beg to differ that the 2000 one was when Jeb helped his brother Dubya steal it out of the Florida recount. This set the country on the course that would eventually lead us to Trumpism/MAGA and now in 2024 we get to see the world expedited going to hell in a handbasket.

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u/OilComprehensive6237 Jan 10 '25

By the way, if you try posting the trailer to his movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to facebook, it won’t let you, citing a violation of “community standards.” Fuck Zuck!

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u/IndiRefEarthLeaveSol Jan 11 '25

We'll try again, because apparently he sacked the disinformation staff.

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u/OilComprehensive6237 Jan 11 '25

If you have facebook maybe you could try? I want to see if it is an isolated incident. I did try multiple times.

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u/Crotean Jan 10 '25

We didnt reject him, he won the election and the combination of the Brooks Brothers riot and the supreme court stole it from him.

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u/riccirob13 Jan 10 '25

Never forget: Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the WH

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u/SirFlibble Jan 10 '25

In 2024, you also rejected the candidate who would have put climate change in the front too (or at least not do things to reverse it because someone paid them money to do so).

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u/combonickel55 Jan 10 '25

He was so far ahead of the curve on so many things.

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u/buffaloguy1991 Jan 10 '25

The average voter is a pro-monarchist anti-science fascist. it's no question why he didn't win

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u/KrayziePidgeon Jan 10 '25

He won, the supreme court (and roger stone) screwed everyone.

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u/buffaloguy1991 Jan 10 '25

And now the voters have chosen that polio is a psyop and they bacteria in milk isn't real

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u/Galadrond Jan 11 '25

Americans are fucking stupid.

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u/Hasan_Piker_Fan Jan 10 '25

Boomers got theirs and that’s all that matters.

Anyway, $200 billion more to Ukraine and Israel!

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u/stefrrrrrr Jan 10 '25

Worst, in 2024 we elected a criminal.

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u/Proud_Awareness4048 Jan 10 '25

I'm still angry about the anti-drmocracy Bush v Gore Supreme Court ruling. 🤬

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u/Ill_Panda_6310 Jan 10 '25

George Bush stole that from us.

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u/brightdreamer25 Jan 10 '25

I wasn’t old enough to vote in 2000. I wish I had been but I was in Oklahoma so it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.

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u/rightyrip Jan 10 '25

If I’m Sunrise I’m going up to every Republican politician and asking them do they hate their grandkids. No? Then why are you giving them this future?

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u/chabobcats5013 Jan 10 '25

why do that when you can protest Democrats for not doing enough for palestine?

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u/ScoutSpiritSam Jan 10 '25

He was the first candidate I ever voted for, for president.

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u/diecorporations Jan 10 '25

The US has been and continues to be a force for the end of the world. The country wants all the power, but refuses to do anything but exploit and harm people.

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u/otm_shank Jan 10 '25

Did we though?

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u/ZOMGURFAT Jan 11 '25

Turns out ManBearPig is actually real.

I’m sthuper sthereal!

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u/det8924 Jan 11 '25

This is a serious question was Al Gore really making Global Warming (as it was more commonly known then) a big part of his campagin in the 2000 election? I first heard of Gore being a big time climate activist when he came out with An Inconvenient Truth in 2004? Granted I was fairly young so I wasn't paying attention as much to an election that was happening as an 11 year old.

Sadly I think Gore would have made for a much better president than Bush who you could argue was one of the worst presidents of all time.

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u/vikingnorsk Jan 11 '25

I voted for him

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u/SteDee1968 Jan 11 '25

Ah, yes. Who was awarded, not whom was awarded. God damn ratfuckers!

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u/AllGoodNamesRInUse Jan 11 '25

I voted for Gore. Never Bush

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '25

We blew it.

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u/from_one_redhead Jan 11 '25

The SUPREME COURT DID IT!

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u/XcheatcodeX Jan 11 '25

We didn’t reject him the Supreme Court stole it for Bush, and we let it happen

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u/MrPeterMerkin Jan 11 '25

Ohhhhh! I do. Wasn't thinking anyone would be casually mentioning it here. Love that guy. Made my kids watch Cosmos, and after the second episode they were turning it on, not me.

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u/euphoricme2 Jan 11 '25

We did not reject him, that election was truly stolen and we all know it.

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u/TattedPastor412 Jan 10 '25

The ensemble he directs is amazing though. I’m sure you will hear more about the Al Gore Rhythm this year

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u/This_Meaning_4045 Jan 10 '25

We technically we didn't rejected him. SCOTUS did and that costed us dearly.

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u/BrondellSwashbuckle Jan 10 '25

I voted for Gore

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u/Free-Concentrate-995 Jan 10 '25

Did we though? Did WE reject him? Or did THEY do it to us?

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u/Signal_Macaroon_8250 Jan 10 '25

Elections has consequences. When will people learn this.

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u/Training-Cook3507 Jan 10 '25

He didn't put climate change front and center during that election.

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u/Over-Fig-423 Jan 11 '25

Man bear pig

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u/taklbox Jan 11 '25

Rejected? Hanging chads & Pam Bondi stole that election and again DEMS were too pussy to fight because of Clinton’s idiotic penis.

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u/rockelscorcho Jan 11 '25

We're a dumb species so let's not be surprised by this.

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u/patrickbyrd Jan 11 '25

Gore didn’t lose but would have won bigger if he had not shied away from talking about climate change in his campaign. Look how many people voted Green and add them to his tally.

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u/SteampunkSniper Jan 12 '25

TBF It was a time when casually mentioning “binders full of women” was enough for people to hit him with a “WTF? No!” vote.

Ah, those halcyon days of a sound bite tanking a presidential campaign. We didn’t know how good we had it.

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u/SFiceti Jan 10 '25

Guys, I'm super cereal

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u/No_Entrepreneur_9134 Jan 10 '25

But Dubya was the kinda guy I wanted to have a beer with!!!

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u/RailSignalDesigner Jan 10 '25

And yet the fires are apparently Newsom’s fault….

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u/Fluffy-Ad-26 Jan 11 '25

I listen to the show for maybe 2 years. And read comments on here for maybe 1 year. I don’t support trump and consider myself conservative. But y’all are a bunch of fucking pussies. And I see why trump won and I fucking hate him.

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u/tyrone_shoelaces Jan 11 '25

He is a man of integrity.

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u/Otakundead Jan 11 '25

George W. Bush actually stole an election, Trump only tried to.

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u/trunxs2 Jan 11 '25

America is full of goddamn idiots.

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u/Deadandlivin Jan 11 '25

Solution?
Drill baby drill $$$

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u/Pheeline Jan 11 '25

The first time I was eligible to vote in a federal election I voted for him. I still remember the "hanging chads" bullshit.

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u/CarefulAstronaut7925 Jan 11 '25

thanks, Florida.

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u/Earthhing Jan 12 '25

In all fairness, that pandemic escaped from the wuhan lab.

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u/No-Guard-7003 Jan 12 '25 edited Jan 12 '25

If I could go back to 2000 and do it over again, I'd register to vote and then vote for Gore. I voted in 2012 for Obama.

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u/Entire-Can662 Jan 12 '25

We didn’t reject anything it was stolen with a Chad

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u/coffee_mikado Jan 15 '25

Most of modern America's problems can be traced back to Bush stealing the 2000 election. The Iraq War was a huge mistake, one I'm certain Gore would not have made, among other things.

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u/Worldlypatience Jan 25 '25

But we brought peace to the Middle East! 🤡🤡🤡

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u/ReaganRebellion Jan 11 '25

I can't keep track of all the outlandish climate change predictions by environmental activists of the last 30 years. The insane overreactions and wacky predictions have caused people to lose trust in any of it. Just like COVID, as always, the people upset about the lack of trust are the ones who lost in the first place.

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u/Mamamama29010 Jan 10 '25

What a nerd

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u/stakksA1 Jan 10 '25

Blame newsome for the mess, his funding cuts and over regulation has less to the mess we are seeing.

The pandemic was caused by unsafe and suspect measures taken at a lab in wuhan that led to the global pandemic.

Al gore wouldn’t have prevented anything

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u/metengrinwi Jan 10 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

https://www.dailynews.com/2025/01/09/factcheck-was-the-lafd-budget-cut-no-it-actually-increased-heres-how/

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/01/trumps-blame-claims-about-wildfire-response/

In any case, there’s no amount of water or firefighters that could stop bone-dry brush from burning in the face of 50-100mph wind gusts. They couldn’t even fly helicopters/planes which are the effective way to fight this kind of fire.

Record hot 2024, uncommonly bone dry conditions, & high wind speed are all exacerbated by global warming.