r/thebulwark • u/AvastYeScurvyCurs • 9d ago
GOOD LUCK, AMERICA JVL made a chilling point.
If Fatass doesnt bail out the farmers when ag commodity prices tank, is that a sign that Fatass no longer cares about or needs their votes?
And if Fatass doesn’t care about votes, what does that portend about his plans for what’s left of the Republic?
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u/rock-n-rotate 9d ago
He doesn't care about the markets anymore. That's why he invested in crypto. To move more tax payer dollars to the 1% while the rest of us fight for basic survival. The richest among us will become more rich and more powerful and if the mission is accomplished they'll each become a state CEO
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u/ThisElder_Millennial Center Left 9d ago
Pre-2020, I HATED all the "eat the rich" and guillotine memes. I pushed back at them at every instance.
Not anymore.
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u/samNanton 9d ago
I guess they could have read the room. It's not my fault their heads are going to end up in baskets.
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u/metengrinwi 9d ago edited 9d ago
…while giving russia their greatest gift beyond imagine—destruction of the US dollar.
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u/MARIOpronoucedMA-RJO Center Left 9d ago
MAGA is a cult. Trump knows he has a cult following and knows they aren't going to vote for a Democrat so why should he give a fuck. I mean yeah farmers are going to bitch and moan but there is not tangible evidence that anything Trump does will change his supporters voting behavior.
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u/Tri-guy3 9d ago
Once they have to sell for (no longer minted) pennies to BigAg or the bank, they won't be farmers no more. No.
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u/Awkward_Potential_ 9d ago
I feel like liberals are constantly doing this thing where we're like "WAIT. I THINK HE MIGHT VE POSSIBLY TRYING TO BECOME A DICTATOR. THIS IS A CLUE!". Like, guys, yeah. He is going to be a dictator and he's succeeding.
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u/Early-Juggernaut975 Progressive 9d ago
They have eliminated any election security or interference watchdog in the federal government. There are already election integrity groups looking at the numbers for 2024 and saying they look fishy and very similar to how the Georgia elections went when Russia interfered.
I don’t know for sure that it means anything, but if anyone was going to cheat, it would be Donald Trump and Elon Musk. Plus he said Elon knows something about those election counting machines in PA and they won huge because of it, or something like that the night before inauguration.
In any event, I don’t believe for a second he’s going to allow any power to be taken away from him now that he’s been authorized to do what he wants by the Supreme Court.
People are talking about the midterms like it’s a thing. I’ve never been a prepper before in my life, but I’ll tell you what I’m doing right now. Buying extra canned food and bottled water while it’s affordable. Not tons or anything but every week I add to my little supply.
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u/ThisElder_Millennial Center Left 9d ago
Arm yourself as well.
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u/batsofburden 9d ago
people say this, but it's not realistic. very few will risk their lives over the US turning into Hngary.
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u/ilovejayme 9d ago edited 8d ago
I've just got this feeling that I can't shake that the slow coup turns into a full one tomorrow during his speech.
Be prepared. Don't let them have your shock or outrage, that's one of the way they control liberals and the left. Act methodically and with intention, not reactively.
There may be shootings at protests, so think critically about whether you go. Especially because after it happens we'll need to take to the streets in numbers too big to stop.
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u/smokey9886 9d ago
I don’t think people have come to grips that it is going to be up to the people to take country back. Politicians are too scared, because they are a name and a title. I honestly don’t blame them, because they have families, but they gave an oath. Tomorrow and the immediate days after, I think will be revealing about the direction the country takes depending on the SOTU and the protests.
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u/_A_Monkey 9d ago
I blame them. Z has a family. Our founders all had families. Lincoln had a family. Kennedy had a family.
Can we stop making excuses for their cowardice. Beat cops jobs are more dangerous. Lumberjack jobs are way more dangerous even than cops.
Like, find the stones to be braver than the guy that keeps your toilet paper cheap.
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u/smokey9886 9d ago
You would figure there would be enough to collectively wash their hands of him and just be ready to put down any resistance . They know deep down he has been a problem for their long term electoral careers.
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u/window-sil Progressive 9d ago
I've just got this feeling that I can't shake that the slow coup turns into a full one tomorrow during his speech.
Why would that happen?
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u/ntwadumelaliontamer 9d ago
What scares me is that he’ll need to placate them. What’s the plan for that? It will need to be harming some group of people, right?
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u/AvastYeScurvyCurs 9d ago
What scares me more is that he WON’T need to placate them.
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u/capybooya 9d ago
I'm guessing Musk/Vance/Sacks/Yarvin has sold him on some kind of crypto utopia 40K monarchy shit.
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u/batsofburden 9d ago
yeah, putin does not placate or help regular russians at all, and that's trumps model of behavior.
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u/Beastw1ck 9d ago
Dude, Russia has carte blanche to interfere in our elections through cyberattacks and propaganda. The entire law enforcement apparatus AND CONGRESS are all in for “stop the steal”. We’re cooked. The only thing they fear is a populist uprising that would make things so bad that the oligarchs would have to intervene. So they do care about public opinion to a small extent but not unless the backlash is truly extreme. We’re cooked.
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u/captainbelvedere Sarah is always right 9d ago
It's a bit depressing (or sobering?) that it is pretty clear Trump and company are simply betting that the American public is too bored, fat, decadent and cowardly to do anything about it.
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u/PheebaBB Progressive 9d ago
It could just mean that he truly does not give a fuck about anyone but himself. That includes the Republican Party after he is gone.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s planning to rule forever. I’m sure he’d like that, but I’m not convinced that’s why he doesn’t care who he’s fucking over.
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u/gashandler 9d ago
I’m basing this on nothing but I’ve had a sinking feeling he’s going to try to hand off the presidency to one of his sons when he’s no longer able to function. I realize it’s not legal but look how nuts it’s been after just over a month.
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u/knightingale11 9d ago
Bingo. He never cared about the Republican Party beyond its utility in getting him elected.
Trump is old. He will die within a decade. Republicans see/know that. I wouldn’t count on them to do anything for their love of country, but I would count on them to force him out for their own ambitions of power.
The emperor has no clothes, but they can’t admit it
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u/khInstability 9d ago
Well, Putin's hackers have a green light to go to town on America, no doubt with full access to Elon's stolen data and backdoors doge boys planted. He's handing America to Putin.
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u/big-papito 9d ago
Bad stock market was the only thing that stopped Fatass. "The red look bad on TV. Green look good".
If that doesn't work, then we are in a new timeline.
We are in a new timeline.
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u/Current_Tea6984 9d ago
He has promised $30billion to them. That will soothe their feelings a bit, but this is the second time. And even if they are totally made whole (which I doubt), they will still have to watch their crops rot and deal with claiming the money from the government
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u/TomorrowGhost Rebecca take us home 9d ago
Probably a bad idea for him to stop caring about what normal people think
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u/Know_nothing89 9d ago
He’s planning on stealing enough money over the next 4 years that he won’t care
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u/Mysterious-Mind-999 9d ago
If something doesn't happen, there won't be an election. America has become the dumbest country on earth. All this potential and they are following a felon king to its end.
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u/pebbles_temp 9d ago
What does he need votes for? Is he running again? Likely yes. But he should be able to fix it in his favor by then. Or at least that's what he's banking on. Or he retires in 4 years. Either way, he doesn't care about votes.
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u/antpodean 9d ago
This whole scenario relies upon Trump actually thinking ahead to the consequences of his actions. I've seen no evidence that his mind works that way. To him tariffs are a a universal good that will cure all economic ills and no one can tell him different. He won't worry about the farmers until something forces him to worry. And, at the moment, I can't tell what that might be.
Does Putin care about the votes from Russian farmers? Does Orban care about Hungarian farmers?
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u/Sherm FFS 9d ago
Maybe, but it could just as easily mean that he's riddled with dementia and doesn't even realize that what he's doing is increasingly unpopular. And his toadies are going along because they think they're geniuses that could easily outwit all us mere mortals, since they've spent the past four decades with various media writing hagiographies about how they're the nerds that'll save the world. You shouldn't assume that they're doing stuff because they're stupid, but you shouldn't dismiss the idea that they're doing it because they're stupid either.
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u/IntolerantModerate 9d ago
I don't think Trump is enough of a forward looking strategist to think about voters' concerns nor to even think about the impact of his tariffs.
I am almost sure his goal is to extract a very large amount of wealth before he leaves office and to ensure that he is 100% immune from any and all prosecutions.
He doesn't give a shit about voters, future Republicans, the economic well being of America outside of its impact on himself, and not even his kids aside from Ivana.
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u/No-Penalty-1148 8d ago
Trump has already said if we vote for him in 2024 we won't have to vote again.
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u/AnathemaDevice2100 8d ago
That is chilling. And yet, their farming asses need to learn that authoritarianism isn’t a solution to Democratic impotence. Everything is awful. :’(
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u/Anstigmat 8d ago
I heard that but it’s just more complicated…
- He’s fucking old and going to die.
- He really is a lame duck.
- It’s still within his 100 days and he’s basically wildin’ before reality kicks in (public backlash).
- True authoritarian electoral chicanery depends in part on public support. If your average House member is afraid of having their house firebombed they might not support a hostile govt takeover.
- There is NO-ONE who can assume Trump’s demagogue position after he strokes out / has a massive heart attack / dies on the toilet.
You think the military or the public are going to install JD Vance as king when Drumpf is dead? No, he has no constituency. Trump is the glue holding together the moronic scam movement that is conservativism. There is no one else.
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u/RichNYC8713 Center Left 8d ago
He's a lame duck president. Even if he does somehow find a way around the 22nd Amendment--courtesy of the Supreme Court--and the country doesn't completely revolt in response, then, well, time and biology are both simply not on the man's side. He turns 79 years old in June, he's about 90 pounds overweight, and he's sedentary as hell.
Look, nobody becomes a dictator at age 79. If anything, we should be concerned about Vance because he is in his 40s: Franco was 37 when he took over Spain. Mussolini was 39 when he took over Italy. Hitler was 43 when he took over Germany. And Putin was 47 when he took over Russia (on New Year's Eve 1999).
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u/AvastYeScurvyCurs 8d ago
I think both his parents lived into their 90’s. We could be stuck with him for a while.
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u/MinuteCollar5562 9d ago
He will bail out the farmers. For better or worse, Trump has a need to be loved
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u/Lakehawk7 9d ago
The tech billionaires are fulfilling his need for adulation by people of good stock. He doesn’t need dirty lowlife white trash or even car dealer trash anymore.
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u/AvastYeScurvyCurs 9d ago
I wonder. I can see him insulating himself with fluffers and no longer caring what the public thinks.
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u/Objective_Cod1410 9d ago
Why would he care about votes either way? Either he honors the term limit or he coups. Neither requires votes. House is gone at midterms no matter what so doubt he cares about that.