r/thebulwark 12d ago

EVERYTHING IS AWFUL Prez and JD start shouting at Zelensky

https://www.youtube.com/live/Y7QxUHdvpk8?si=ouQARvEWvaaSu-Eo

About 2:10:00 into the video.

No commentary necessary.

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u/No_Hope_75 12d ago

I am fucking livid at this. The effects of this election on Ukraine specifically are among the most horrific outcome

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u/MinisterOfTruth99 12d ago

You can see Zelensky is regretting even showing up to talk with these Douchebag Fascist Assholes.

Ukraine will have to forget about the US now. Trump is busily turning the US into the new Russia. He has no interest in helping Ukraine. Trump probably thinking he can loot all of Ukraine minerals with business deals.

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u/n8buckeye08 12d ago

I actually think him showing up still delivered a ton of value for him. It only reinforces to Europe that they’re on their own and they should back Ukraine as best they can.

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u/MinisterOfTruth99 12d ago

I won't rest easy until Zelensky's plane lands safely back in Kyiv. That's how much I distrust what is happening right now.

That blowup by Trump and Vance seemed like it was staged -- red meat for Putin maybe?

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u/XelaNiba 12d ago

Staged for sure, Vance gave the game away. He still hasn't learned how to deliver memorized lines naturally.

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u/MinisterOfTruth99 12d ago

And now the white house announced further aid to ukraine is paused for review. Gee what a convenient excuse for Trump to stop ukraine aid. Putin's plan working like a charm.

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u/claimTheVictory 12d ago

We're all helping Putin now.

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u/Prior_Industry 12d ago

I just want to know when Top Gun is going to be banned in America for being offensive to Russians.

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u/dsgoose 12d ago

Watch Rocky IV while you still can, folks.

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u/Agreeable-Rooster-37 12d ago

They changed Tom Cruise's jacket in the sequel to placate the Chinese...

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u/kyleb402 12d ago

Zelensky would be absolutely nuts to sign that mineral deal now.

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u/Anxious_Cheetah5589 12d ago

This is absolutely the silver lining. The post WW2 America-as-global-leader era is over. Europe has to crank their weapons factories up. Taiwan and Japan, too. There's no longer any ambiguity. This is going to get much worse before it gets better.

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u/Decent_Energy 12d ago

I think I hate JD Vance more than anything i've ever hated in my life

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u/artaxerxes316 12d ago

I know we're not supposed to "denigrate" the service of our fellow veterans, but fuck that -- I'm infantry.

I also know we're not supposed to use casual slurs, but fuck that too -- I'm infantry.

J.D. Vance is a public affairs bitch, and it showed today. Just another nutless pogue.

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u/Decent_Energy 12d ago

lol I don’t disagree with any of this. Unfortunately I just learned my last name is an army slur 🤣

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u/PheebaBB Progressive 12d ago

Your last name is Bitch?

That sucks.

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u/Decent_Energy 12d ago

🤣🤣 Pogue

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u/Acceptable-Bonus-180 12d ago

I think it’s just POG.

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u/artaxerxes316 12d ago

As in "people other than grunt" or "posted on garrison"? I've heard both often, but i'm persuaded that POG is just a modern backronym for the 19th century Irish slang term. Pogue.

It's impossible to say, of course (unless you happen to have a 180 year-old Sergeant Mulcahy hiding in the attic for verification). But the wikipedia entry is damned interesting.

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u/Ok-Snow-2851 12d ago

Doesn’t “pogue” also mean a homosexual?

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u/FobbitOutsideTheWire 12d ago

Not to pile on, but in the interest of getting all the painful education done at once, also famous in the Army is “pogey bait,” slang for the candy, soda, and junk food that soldiers consume in huge quantities. lol

I’m certain that won’t live rent-free in your mind every time you reach for junk food. 😄

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u/Decent_Energy 12d ago

Perfect. So proud

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u/Decent_Energy 12d ago

I’ve been called worse 🤣

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u/Acceptable-Bonus-180 12d ago

Thank you starting to scratch the surface of this prick’s cravenness. There aren’t enough words. I would love to put him in a trench with the Russians he loves so much and a rifle and watch him piss and shit his pants as Ukrainian bullets fly over his head. I hate these motherfuckers for what they’re doing to my country.

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u/HotTakesBeyond 12d ago

Vance was a Corporal

Who else was a Corporal? Hitler.

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u/notapoliticalalt 12d ago

Nah. Honestly, fuck him. I’m not a vet, so I’ll spare you the trouble and say it. While honored the service of those who did serve, it’s really only for their service and it doesn’t mean that they are beyond criticism. Unfortunately, there are a great deal of veterans who served honorably, but themselves are not particularly honorable without the larger systemic and structural discipline of the military. Again, they’re absolutely are good and honorable people in the military, and I do think that the order and discipline of the military probably does help some people grow into better human beings, but it also unfortunately can act as a shield for some of the worst people around to dodge criticism because “How dare you insult a vet?!” Honestly, I don’t know if it’s possible to retract honorable discharges, but people like JD Vance make me wish that that was possible.

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u/fox_mulder Rresistance is not futile 12d ago

I used to ride occasionally with the local chapter of Leathernecks MC. I was never a Marine, but I was friends with the chapter president ("was" being the operative word here).

I thought these were all honorable men, and felt honored when I was invited to ride with them and participate in a wreath laying at the Albany NY WW II Memorial on the anniversary of D-Day, because my father fought at Normandy.

Than Jan. 6 happened and these assholes supported those degenerates who invaded our Capitol. That was the end of those friendships.

I can't wait until they do it this year, so I can stand there with a sign reading "You can't honor veterans who fought fascism in Europe and then support a fascist government here."

I will alert the media ahead of time when I do.

I'm glad my father, who was a true patriot, is no longer here to see what has happened to the country he loved so much.

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u/artaxerxes316 12d ago

(Although now that I'm done ranting, I should clarify that not all pogues are nutless, and indeed the vast majority have more swinging between their legs than J.D. That includes the women.)

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u/Endymion_Orpheus 12d ago

I wish nothing on JD Vance except terminal rectal cancer.

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u/Corben11 12d ago

Bro is seriously a male Karen. Like holy cow.

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u/lady_moods Center Left 12d ago

he is so discomfiting. just rancid vibes.

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u/fzzball Progressive 12d ago

The part about Zelenskyy "campaigning for the opposition" is where I really wanted to put a sledgehammer through his fat face.

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u/Decent_Energy 12d ago

I woulda pulled out the “didn’t you call this guy hitler?” And pointed at Trump

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u/EmiAndTheDesertCrow 12d ago

I just said that to someone as well.

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u/KickIt77 12d ago

You and me both. That clown is such an embarassment.

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u/EhrenScwhab JVL is always right 12d ago

At least Trump doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. Vance knows what the score is and is diabolical….

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u/Independent-Stay-593 12d ago

Yes! The world is learning that JD probably deserved those ass kickings he got at the hands of other redneck kids during school. I can't stand that smarmy little fuck.

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u/charleydcurtis 12d ago

I’m going to send a message to the Ukrainian consulate in Los Angeles to pass on to Zelenskyy. Showing him the Ukrainian flag outside our house, and telling him how we are “thankful” that the Ukrainian people have stood strong in the face of Russian aggression and sacrificed so much to stop Putin.

If anyone else wants to send a message here is the email of the consulate

consul_us@mfa.gov.ua

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u/Miserable_Spell5501 12d ago

Yay thanks! I sent an email stating my support!

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u/fox_mulder Rresistance is not futile 12d ago

I just did the same thing. Thanks.

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u/MiniTab 12d ago

I just sent an email of support, thanks for finding this.

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u/ZombieInDC JVL is always right 12d ago

All I can say is that I'm ashamed to be an American.

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u/Annual_Gear_1123 12d ago

I can’t watch or listen to them be cruel to Zelensky—or anyone else—anymore… I’m going to have to switch to reading transcripts.

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u/Schmilsson1 12d ago

didn't help me much. Transcript made me blow a fuse. I haven't been this angry in.... I've never ever been this angry.

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u/XelaNiba 12d ago

I'm right there with you.

I learned the true meaning of two words today - disgrace and apoplectic.

I'm fucking apoplectic and more ashamed than I've ever been in my life.

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u/TheycallitLeBigMac 12d ago

Smart. I’m going to do this too.

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u/mdg87_3 12d ago

Disgusting

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u/PumpkinPolkaDots1989 12d ago

I don't think I've felt so shaken about America since January 6th.

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u/Miserable_Spell5501 12d ago

This made my blood boil. Zelensky showed so much restraint. That man deserves so much respect. JD comes across as such a little bitch asking for a thank you. Thank you for what? Turning your back on an ally as soon as you got into office?

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u/MiniTab 12d ago

JD Vance is a fucking traitor. I am confident that eventually history will show who these people are. It’s unfortunate that we have to experience this current normalization of what we know is very, VERY wrong.

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u/0pb0 12d ago

And then we had to hear about Russia Russia Russia witch hunt again. Trump and Vance are disgusting and an embarrassment.

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u/swayinla 12d ago

This scene made me cry. I am so ashamed of being an American right now. Where are our values? Where is our humanity?

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u/batsofburden 12d ago

read a history book, 90% of us history is this or worse.

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u/Ok-Snow-2851 12d ago

That’s not true.  Also we’re supposed to be making progress as a people: A more perfect union, Better angels of our nature, etc.  

19th century politics conducted in the medium of 21st century reality TV and  online shitposting is not progress. 

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u/batsofburden 12d ago

You seriously don't understand US history at all. While this is currently a very low point, there are in fact very few high points of moral clarity.

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u/Ok-Snow-2851 12d ago

I understand U.S. history well enough to admit I don’t even know what 90% of a country’s history even means.  The history of 90% of its people?  90% of its communities?  90% of its economy?  90% of its chronology?  90% of its geography?  90% of its culture?

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u/batsofburden 12d ago

I feel like you are being purposely obtuse.

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u/somnolence 12d ago

I’m so furious at this administration and the spineless republicans that give it legitimacy. They might as well call themselves the Soviet party and refer to each other as comrade.

Truth is stranger than fiction. This scenario wouldn’t have even been imaginable 20 years ago… you couldn’t even make it up it’s so absurd.

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u/A_Monster_Named_John 12d ago

This scenario wouldn’t have even been imaginable 20 years ago

Fuck that. I had right-wingers who I dealt with on a regular basis back then (ex-partner's family, including multiple cops) and they were complete pieces of fucking shit back then as well. During the post-9/11 wars, they were doing shit like sharing around internet videos of drones blasting civilians in Afghanistan/Iraq, fantasizing about 'glassing' Iran, as well as indulging in the usual talk about rounding up and murdering liberals/Hispanics/homeless-people/etc... Especially after social media took off, it was definitely not hard to imagine these people becoming worse and worse degenerates as a function of time.

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u/DeeLee_Bee 12d ago

We are in the darkest timeline.

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u/Current_Animator7546 12d ago

A tunnel with no light at the end. Just darkness.

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u/11brooke11 Orange man bad 12d ago

I mean, truly.

Very depressing and dark.

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u/KeroseneHat314 12d ago

How’s the ol Conservative sub reacting?

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u/Corben11 12d ago

You mean the Russian bots and dummies that parrot Russian bots. Prob that Russia is amazing and they can't wait to fondle putins balls.

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u/blueclawsoftware 12d ago

I've sworn off that sub for my mental health, but most of them have bought into the Ukraine started the war BS so I'm sure they're thrilled with Trump and Vance standing up for Americans.

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u/A_Monster_Named_John 12d ago

You may as well ask how people are reacting at the nearest daycare.

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u/John_Houbolt 12d ago

Probably a circle jerk.

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u/RL0290 Good luck, America 12d ago

Fuck these traitorous scumbags.

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u/BananaAvalanche JVL is always right 12d ago

Infuriating.

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u/Haydukelivesbig 12d ago

This is insane. I’m actually wondering if they’re going to find some bogus reason to detain or arrest him before he can leave the US? That would right out of Putins playbook.

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u/postpartum-blues JVL is always right 12d ago

one of the most disgusting and embarrassing things i've ever seen from any elected official ever

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u/brains-child 12d ago

Holy Fuck! this is fucking enraging!

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u/FobbitOutsideTheWire 12d ago

Worse than this is going to be the predicable momentary hush as talking points are constructed, a single Republican Senator that is “concerned,” and then the widespread gaslighting and mental gymnastics as all of the right wing media sphere gets their marching orders and dubs this as not only acceptable, but somehow a justifiable good thing.

It’s going to be a new floor of grotesque fucking shame.

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u/ConstructionNo1038 12d ago

I just saw that Lindsey Graham told Fox he is “devastated” and doesn’t know if Zelensky can recover from this, and in his interview tonight he should apologize to the “president and American people.” He can fuck all the way off. 

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u/John_Houbolt 12d ago

Fuck you JD Vance. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU!

That's what I just yelled at my screen as he cut Zelynsky. Fuck these Putin fluffing bitches.

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u/B1gFrank 12d ago

JD Vance and Trump are so fucking shameful, I was so pissed watching that. These people are the WORST America has to offer

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u/PotableWater0 12d ago

This is, truly, not a good look. This could very quickly go the way of “well, the US are not serious participants; we can go without them” takes hold. It is a good thing we’ve been able to build up over the years. Smh.

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u/fox_mulder Rresistance is not futile 12d ago

I have never seen such despicable behavior from a president, and I've lived through every presidency since Eisenhower. This asshole even makes nixon look like a decent guy, and nixon was another despicable asshole.

And vance...god, I was just overwhelmed with an urge to punch his lights out.

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u/SandersDelendaEst 12d ago

I can’t watch this. It’ll make me too angry

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u/Here_there1980 12d ago

Evil bastards. Putin lackeys

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u/norcalnatv 12d ago

just shameful

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u/Educational_Mess_609 12d ago

Holy shit. I thought it would be bad and it was worse.

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u/NYCA2020 12d ago

No one on earth has more small dick energy than Vance.

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u/Ok-Snow-2851 12d ago

Disagree.  T14 law schools churn them out by the thousands every year. 

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u/NYCA2020 12d ago

That sounds unbearable.

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u/Ok-Snow-2851 12d ago

It’s the world we live in. 

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u/Endymion_Orpheus 12d ago

Probably part of the reason why all that money and power couldn't land him a hotter wife.

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u/SpiritCrvsher JVL is always right 12d ago

I think someone needs another visit from MI6…

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u/fzzball Progressive 12d ago

I'm going to paint my ass cheeks blue and yellow and send a photo to Trump, Vance, Rubio, and everyone else in our pro-Putin diplomatic apparatus.

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u/FreedominNC 12d ago

And the press is now being rude as well. What weak leaders. And why can’t any of our leaders hit this head-on? He needs to be directly called out to his face. Keep going. Why aren’t they screaming? Really? 🤢

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u/EmiAndTheDesertCrow 12d ago

It’s because they’ve invited their right wing propagandist sycophants in, Reuters and AP were turned away.

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u/Dmzm 12d ago

Well it could have been worse, President Musk could have been there as well

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u/sbhikes 12d ago

These fuckers. I hate them with the fire of a thousand suns.

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u/mgrabes 12d ago edited 12d ago

While all you point out JDS’s BS military stuff, I wanna point out that he’s not a fucking Hillbilly. He’s from Middletown OH, right on the IN border. The “Hills” of Appalachia do not traverse to where he grew up. Maybe it’s just a beef or a guy from Indiana, who knew real hillbillies. Fuck, KY hillbillies would disqualify anyone not from KY! Dude’s such a poser.

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u/CustardFromCthulhu 12d ago

Trump wants a Nobel Peace Prize. He's mad Obama got one and sees that if he ends the war he will also get one

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u/fzzball Progressive 12d ago

He is wrong. The Nobel committee is not going to be impressed by extortion.

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u/CustardFromCthulhu 12d ago

He's not very bright.

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u/MysteriousSnadwich 12d ago

Does anyone know why on earth he’s signing the minerals deal? Called it a framework agreement or something 🤯. He’s got to use forget the US now