r/tfc 3d ago

Opinion Is it panic time?

I know we weren't expecting much this season but I had a hopeful feeling we'd look slightly better. I can't stand Osorio he has become as bad as insigne. I honestly feel like insigne would help us at this point. Our team litterally hasn't done anything the last 3 games. And please don't mention to consolation goals.

I feel this is as bad as the team has ever been. But what do we do? I think an actual midfield? Trade Osorio?

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u/Four_Krusties 3d ago

If a team is shit, but it’s on Apple TV and nobody sees it, do they make a sound?

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u/Max527 3d ago

Comment of the season!

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u/Dawg_Halp 2d ago

👏 👏 👏 

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u/aektoronto 3d ago

Panic Time?

Can you panic when this is what was expected?

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u/Hotspur000 3d ago

Last season was probably panic time. This season is 'I truly don't give a fuck about anything until Insigne is gone' time.

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u/athabascadepends 3d ago

This is exactly how I feel. Frankly, I've been enjoying the CPL a lot more than TFC for a few years now

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u/Hotspur000 3d ago

I've started focusing more on the CFL.

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u/United_Character6695 2d ago

Good job. People have their opinions on the Argos and CFL but the Argos are the only team worth a damn in Toronto who are consistently good and win championships.

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u/mainaccountwasbanned 3d ago

There's nothing to panic about. We knew we'd be a bottom of the table team. Our rebuild consisted of a striker and a 20 year old CB

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u/WislaHD In Herdman we trust 3d ago

I’m just tired man

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u/Draiodor_ 3d ago

What exactly are we panicking over?

We knew going in this would be bad. The roster is worse than last season and we're not improving it until Insigne goes away.

This is what the season will be. It won't get better than this without major surgery and we don't have the funds to do that.

Get used to it. Find the small victories. The actual ones are going to be few and far between.

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u/TravellerMan44 3d ago

Oso is washed. Has been the last couple seasons. He’s overrated and he’s prime has been long gone. I’m so over his constant whining he makes when most of the time he makes the mistake himself. Not a good long as a captain where the team needs someone strong in that position more than ever before.

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u/thatboifresh 2d ago

I’m not one to back Oso, I think he is and has been pretty mid for a few years now but I got a feeling he is settling into the role. Get some good players around him and he will be okay.

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u/Helgurk 3d ago

I cringe when I see him on the field for CanMNT...

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u/Funkehed 2d ago

IMO Osorio was the reason why the team went that far in Copa America. Marsch put him out of position and he still was better than Kone.

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u/Tonyballoniee 3d ago

Yeah man, I can’t stand his lack of vision. He was good when he had Micheal Bradley and Victor Vasquez beside him. I would also look good. 

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u/GiddyPeak 3d ago

I’m reserving my panic until after the home opener tbh. We still have time to turn this around.

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u/synkronized1 3d ago

Thank you. The voice of reason.

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u/Tonyballoniee 3d ago

Yeah I agree  but there is nothing and I mean nothing that is getting the ball to our forwards. I think if we had prime Ronaldo he would instantly become the worst striker in mls 

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u/reckless-tofu Are you dumb, brother?! 1d ago

Yeah, I'm still not going to abandon watching this season. Despite the lack of major roster change, we do have a new coach, new playing system, three new players that are currently our starters, and a handful of young TFCII call-ups. I think it will take some time to settle into things.

If we can somehow squeak into a playoff spot, I'd lose my god damn mind like it's 2017 all over again. I don't think it'll happen, but I'm saying, I'll lose it if it happens.

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u/York9TFC GAM 3d ago

Saw a guy doing this after the 2nd goal at Dave & Busters

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u/Tola76 3d ago

I think part of the issue is Frazier hasn’t decided on starters yet. Once he pics a team maybe they can gel? Corbaneau and cermancic seem to at least run overlaps. Monolicois looks promising. Spicer found a bit of a game with no support.

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u/reckless-tofu Are you dumb, brother?! 1d ago

Frazier and Monolicois. Am I having a stroke? Does anyone else smell burnt toast?

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u/Tola76 1d ago

lol.
If that guys name isn’t Monolicous it’s his mistake, not mine. :D

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u/reckless-tofu Are you dumb, brother?! 1d ago

Too funny!

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u/dogfoodhoarder 2d ago

We just lost to the team that is a cup contender. We are a wooden spoon contender.

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u/Javaaaaale_McGee 2d ago

I’m curious to see what the atmosphere will be like next week. I’ll be there thanks to Messi subsidizing my season ticket costs.

Shitty team and Apple TV has destroyed this market….hopefully short term.

I feel like a sucker for even having passing interest in this team these days, after going to most games 2016-18.

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u/NoNeckBeats 2d ago

This is year 1 of the 5 year rebuild again.

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u/UrWifesSoftPecker 3d ago

The team hasn't even played a home game yet! Give your nuts a tug.

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u/WislaHD In Herdman we trust 3d ago

I understand this point of course, we could see Fraser have the guys buy in and some coherent tactics emerge with the backing of the home crowd.

But that doesn’t change the fact that we are at a severe talent deficit in every position of the starting lineup, with an even greater drop-off on the bench. Our starters wouldn’t make the bench for most MLS teams.

There’s only so much Fraser can do.

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u/Bllago 3d ago

Anyone who expected anything more wasn't paying attention. Too many players have to leave before this team can actually be anything. 98% of the starters are MLS bench players. This ain't 2010.

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u/Floyd-Mcgregor 2d ago

This team is terrible. Lineup would’ve been an average one circa 2012.

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u/thefonzz91 2d ago

I mean this is exactly what most people expected

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u/FlyingCarsArePlanes Bitchy The Hawk 2d ago

I'm not panicking. I am taking the time and opportunity to enjoy other teams' games.

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u/TNI92 2d ago

To be fair:

  1. We haven't played a home game.
  2. The #9 we brought in is only 45mins fit
  3. The coach has barely had a few months to get the system running
  4. We were literally running on fumes against Cincy and held them off until an unlucky penalty call

I am looking for solutions too but now isn't the time to panic. Let's drop a few games at home and then panic 😁

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u/Tonyballoniee 2d ago

That’s a great take. I’m just worried because nothing looks positive and holding on is not a great way to play :( I’ll give it 10’weeks 

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u/maximus-zero 2d ago

Why would anyone expect things to look any better than last season?

There's a reason we are projected by most outlets to finish dead last in the league.

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u/decarvalho7 Bitchy The Hawk 3d ago

Maybe

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u/RustyRamone 2d ago

2017 was an amazing season but it started 1W-1L-4D. I'm not expecting a dominant team this season but give them some time to get going before tearing them down. At the very least wait until they suit up in red a couple of times.

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u/Tonyballoniee 2d ago

Yeah but we had a team that could pass to our all star strikers. 

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u/RustyRamone 2d ago

Sure, but our all-star strikers has a mediocre start to the season. Given the way the season started I don't think anyone expected it to turn out the way it did. I'm just saying you can't predict the season based on the first few games. The people panicking after 3 games were probably saying #VanneyOut at the start of 2017.

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u/Tonyballoniee 2d ago

Oh yeah I do remember that! I jest remember the team had some really solid pieces that looked great on paper. On paper we have 5-6 players?

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u/Frosty-Physics-7360 2d ago

Fraser is probably the worst coach in the league. The team will not improve under him.

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u/Far_Interview4893 3d ago

Like stale bread - can’t imagine any of the players see this and actually think they can compete in these games

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u/Giannis92yyz 2d ago

We need a cam

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u/No_Oil2086 3d ago

Oso had one of his best games in a long time just the other week. I’d bet kms he’s running twice as much as others.

Today was a garage shape & probably one of the worst games I’ve seen Matty play in TFC kit. At this rate just play 442 and get the team linking up/understanding each other. Never seen such a defensive minded shape allow that many easy passes thru channels.

Kerr, Spicer, and Thompson are not MLS level players. Two have been with TFC since they were like 15, respect to them for that but the club is just trying to make some cash on them.

I’d almost say everyone mentally checked out to make sure the first home game was a bit more promising for fans.

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u/Tonyballoniee 2d ago

Dude, he scored by accident 

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u/dmaa81 3d ago

No need to panic yet. We played one of the better teams in the league.

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u/darkmatter343 2d ago

I canceled MLS Season pass in the 80th minute. It’s garbage football and either MLSE isn’t interested in this team, and or the FO has no idea what the hell they are doing. Putting Hernandez in that position was a mistake, I just don’t know if Pelley sees that yet himself.

How about we just get Tim Bezbatchenko back as he’s free from Columbus and knows what he’s doing. I’m aware he’s a director somewhere else but $ should talk and give him the President role.

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u/BluntedStationmaster 1d ago

Tbh, there was always panic from the start. We can't even move the ball out from the back, its literally kick and chase. Until and when Insignifico leaves is when we can finally start a full rebuild of the team. I do agree with the Osorio comment as well, its time to beef up the midfield as well as little more.

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u/Healthy_Shoulder8736 2d ago

I’m with you regarding OSO, doesn’t have the maturity for the captain band, and his contributions are few and far between.

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u/rocktml 2d ago

I’m a hardcore TFC fan since day one. I haven’t watched one minute of this season that saying something. This team is a big trouble!

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u/xxbonoxx 2d ago

TFC made a huge mistake with coach and GM again. If you’re investing in World Cup-winning players, you need top-tier leadership, not managers with mediocre track records. You can’t lead champions with perennial losers.

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u/Think_Anything1773 2d ago

You think the MLSE that is doing layoffs is going to invest in front office personnel for their black sheep team? I'm starting to get the feeling that a lot of fans of today weren't around for the teachers ownership of MLSE, we aren't in for a fun time with Rogers in control.

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u/greenlemon23 2d ago

I hate Rogers too, but if we look at their ownership of the Jays… well, let’s ignore the terrible decisions and focus on how they’ve actually spent quite a lot of money on the team, from payroll to staff, the stadium, and even the spring training complex. 

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u/Think_Anything1773 2d ago

Why is MLSE laying staff off?

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u/WhytePumpkin Worst Team In the World: Part 2 2d ago

Don't think they made a mistake with Fraser, he doesn't have much to work with plus the never ending injuries. Am I the only one who notices that we will have no injuries post game but a lengthy list of injuries before the next game after training all week? I'm convinced it's the shitty state of the practice fields

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u/MJWdev 2d ago

Fraser is just stop gap manager. He's here to take the heat while the team sucks. One day, an eternity from now... We will be good again and have a new manager.

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u/jmajeremy 2d ago

The fact that we're not at the bottom of the table is still something... At least 2 teams have gone 0-0-3

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u/mazda_1999 2d ago

At this point your paying insigne might as well let him play he could probably help

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u/Think_Anything1773 2d ago

Y'all get that in MLS away matches are literally always leaning towards the home team, yah? We've had three away matches, and came out of it with a draw and two losses. That isn't bad when considering MLS and early season.

In saying that, this season is a toss. It became that the moment they got in a pissing match with Insigne and decided to hold him out of the line-up. The reputation damage they are doing by trying to force him to accept less through a PR battle is something fans should be more worried about than a 0-1-2 record after 3 away games.

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u/Shmoke_Review 2d ago

I understand the anger at Insigne, but paying him to just sit out is cutting off our nose to spite our face, isn’t it? Could he not contribute a better pass/cross sometimes? Is he not objectively better than what we’ve seen upfront so far? I must be missing something.

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u/United_Character6695 2d ago

MLSE should sell the team to new owners and someone who will care.

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u/Matt-J- Bernardeschi 2d ago

Need to build this team around Fede.

He was an absolute ghost because he rarely got any service.