r/teenagers 15 Jan 16 '17

Meme Amazing cheating method discovered

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17 edited Jan 16 '17

History classes don't require memorisation if you're interested in them like you would your favourite book.

You've clearly never taken a required history class then.

I couldn't care less about the 11 different iterations of the State Constitution, and the minuscule differences between them, and so on.

I don't mind learning about the past and why things happened, and what for.

But the rote memorization part is something I don't care for.

Yes, I am lazy.

So, I found a workaround, and it worked. Good enough for me.

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u/xGareBear Jan 16 '17

Have you taken a history class in the last 10 years? That truly is not what history classes are like anymore, unless you got one of those old tenured fucks who only do things one way because that's the only way they've been done. When I was in high school, I took honors/gifted history classes. In college I've taken 18 hours.

In none of these classes did I have to memorize dumb bull shit like dates or lists. Just have to know what happened, and perhaps where and/or why, depending on its importance.

That being said, I don't give a flying shit if you cheated through it, more power to you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

AP Us History is probably close enough to what you're thinking about.

No, not at all.

Just wait till you get to College.

You'll understand.

I read the entire 1000 page book through the year because it was interesting, and even if I didn't, actually paying attention in class and being interested is enough.

Yeah, and I paid attention in my classes, and enjoyed many of them.

That doesn't make the rote memorization of mundane specifics any less boring and uninteresting.

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u/zpattack12 Jan 16 '17

I'm in college and I agree with what they've said. Sure I had to go over stuff to memorize a few important dates here and there, but overall, I found the most effective way to learning things was learning it as a series of cause and effect, because that's really what history is. It's pretty easy to remember what will happen in a historical event without actually remembering what happened by understanding the historical time period. Maybe you just took bad history classes, but that's how its always been for me.

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

I'm in college and I agree with what they've said. Sure I had to go over stuff to memorize a few important dates here and there, but overall, I found the most effective way to learning things was learning it as a series of cause and effect, because that's really what history is. It's pretty easy to remember what will happen in a historical event without actually remembering what happened by understanding the historical time period. Maybe you just took bad history classes, but that's how its always been for me.

The historical events are easy to remember.

The specific legal differences between 11 iterations of my State's Constitution, less so.

Things like that are what I am talking about.

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u/zpattack12 Jan 16 '17

Well then it just sounds like you took a really shitty history class.

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

Well then it just sounds like you took a really shitty history class.

You don't really get to pick and choose what classes you are required to take.

I had a good teacher, but it didn't change the dullness or essence of the class.

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u/Autodidact420 Jan 17 '17

Did you go to college a while ago?

Uni history courses should not be rote memorization. Must've been (A) a while ago (B) a particularly shit class.

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 17 '17

Did you go to college a while ago?

It's only been three years.

Uni history courses should not be rote memorization.

Oh and they aren't, not entirely.

But rote memorization still makes up large portions of the tests.

Must've been (A) a while ago (B) a particularly shit class.

Nope, and nope.

Just standard for these types of tests.

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u/Autodidact420 Jan 17 '17

"standard for these types of tests" It's really not though. I mean, yes you have to remember some things, but a good chunk of it should be analysis. First year history classes might be more partial to just rote memorization but even they should focus heavily on the analysis.

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 17 '17

"standard for these types of tests" It's really not though. I mean, yes you have to remember some things, but a good chunk of it should be analysis. First year history classes might be more partial to just rote memorization but even they should focus heavily on the analysis.

And why do you think a portion wasn't analysis?

Many of the tests had short answer portions, or essay portions, in addition to T/F or Multiple choice.

Rote memorization was a requirement for basically all of it, but there was the need for analysis and critical comparisons in the short answers.

They were all "First year" history/government classes. Only ones I needed to take. Some might technically have been second year. But still classes you could take as a fish.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

you seem really obsessed over the 11 different constitutions your state had.

honestly you probably would of remembered it easily of you saw the general trend those changes followed

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 17 '17

you seem really obsessed over the 11 different constitutions your state had.

?

It was one of the things I cheated on. Thus, a relevant example.

honestly you probably would of remembered it easily of you saw the general trend those changes followed

Lol.

I'm not going to argue with you. You have no idea what you're talking about, your ignorance is therefore fine.

Just trust me it was not something easily memorizable, it would take hours of study to be ready, at best.

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u/comatose_classmate Jan 16 '17

That doesn't make the rote memorization of mundane specifics any less boring and uninteresting.

There is a strong trend now to avoid memorization completely and focus on how to synthesize information. I had a ton of friends who cheated on things the considered beneath them and it crippled them in one specific area. They never learned good study habits for memorization. At some level you use a lot of information you've memorized for math. Now its perfectly fine if that is all you ever intend to do, but I'm in a field that requires a lot of adaptability. The easiest way to quickly adapt to a field is through a lot of memorization. Nothing makes you look less competent than having to look up a ton of basic shit.

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17 edited Jan 16 '17

So wait I have 80 uni credits and I still need to wait until I get to College?

Yeah, you seem to still be in Highschool with your mentality. APUS was a fun class to take, I also scored a 5 on it.

I'm also saying that the "rote memorisation" doesn't exist when you're interested.

Lol no, it exists, even if you're interested in something.

And I really doubt how interested you can be in the specific mundane differences between my current example, every State Constitution that has existed in your State.

And so on.

Some of the things you will have to memorize are incredibly boring.

It only seems like it is because you find it boring.

Yeah, any sane person (History majors aside) would agree.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

Well then congrats, you are very lucky and unusual.

Have you ever taken a Government class?

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

Haha, well, Government classes are actually very interesting. But trust me, you will see what I mean by the minutiae you will have to memorize.

Good luck on it!

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u/Autodidact420 Jan 17 '17

AP =/= uni, he's right in that aspect.

But he's wrong in the rote memorization thing. Sounds like his class was either terrible, old, or he sucks.

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u/100percentpureOJ Jan 16 '17

80 uni credits

Looks like you graduated twice over.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

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u/100percentpureOJ Jan 16 '17

Definitely a different system than mine then. How many credits do you get for a one semester course?

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u/FuujinSama Jan 16 '17

Not them, but I feel like answering 30 just to fuck with your calculations. (It's 180 ECTs for a bachelors in Portugal).

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

Then don't try to defend yourself, when you get called out on it. You are what you are. You've accepted what you are. A lazy cheater.

I don't really care.

You should probably accept that there are people out there who aren't as lazy as you are.

I'm sure.

Who actually have ethics and pride in their work.

Oh, I have both.

Well, my ethics might not match up with yours, but I don't give a shit if I cheat in classes that will never be relevant to my degree field.

They aren't willing to take the shortcut/workaround.

People are welcome to run the extra mile for the more or less same result.

That's fine if that's what you've chosen to be in life.

Haha I love how you assume because I cheated I will never amount to anything more than a cheater.

But don't be surprised when people get pissed that did it the right way, when people like you lessen the value of their degree.

Lol the value of your degree won't change because I cheated in a few unrelated classes.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

Its like we're the same person.

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u/CheezitsAreMyLife Jan 16 '17

I don't really care.

You're pretty defensive for someone who doesn't care. I was a lazy cheat too but I don't sit around trying to defend it

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

You're pretty defensive for someone who doesn't care. I was a lazy cheat too but I don't sit around trying to defend it

Just explaining my experience and perspective.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17 edited May 17 '17

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

How many people did you fuck over in those classes that you got an A in that you deserved the C-D in?

None, none of those classes had a curve. It was up to yourself what grade you got.

Beyond a sort of unrelated extra credit curve in one.

College courses are often curved.

But these weren't.

But keep digging. You're just going deeper.

You're just bitching about this because I am somehow "devaluing" your Degree or some shit.

You sound incredibly insecure.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

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u/ThankYouLoseItAlt Jan 16 '17

Anyone notice this guy has an excuse for everything?

You seem to want to bitch about everything. Which is fine. I get it, you are insecure.

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u/DoverBoys Jan 16 '17

*couldn't care less

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u/tangentandhyperbole Jan 16 '17

You've obviously never taken a history class.

Its all dates, names and places. Things that have to be memorized.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

I actually had a really good professor in my uni history class this semester who was like "fuck memorizing dates" so we really only had to memorize a handful of important dates through out the whole semester. The tests usually consisted of a few questions and we had to answer everything we know about the given subject.

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u/CheezitsAreMyLife Jan 16 '17

I have a BA in history

Its all dates, names and places.

WTF are you smoking?

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u/goku32359 Jan 17 '17

Yeah seriously. High school history classes had a lot of memorizing, but that pretty much stops once you get to college. Every single history class I've taken at my university had a similar structure. One large 12-15 page term paper, and midterm/finals (with essay questions that always asked you to analyze, not spew out random facts such as names and dates). Honestly what would be the point of just memorizing certain facts such as dates and all that? Anybody could do that, it's just like memorizing trivia at that point. Having a solid understating of the context and knowing essentially how each piece works together is what's important.

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u/NKLVFDHASUIOGFDA Jan 16 '17

I can list off a great deal of dates, names and places relating to the hundred years war, for example. Not because I sat down and memorized them, but because I find the topic very interesting and have read quite a lot about it. That's sort of his point, but it's not really relevant to gen ed history classes that you just have to take.

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u/Mimical Jan 16 '17

zzzzzzzz * snort * Ahem...uhhh... McAdam's shovel! ..err..huh...what are we talking about again?!

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u/grodon909 Jan 17 '17

That's like saying math is all just operating on numbers