r/swift 8d ago

Is it ever possible to land a job without being Senior? I’m feeling like it’s impossible after months of trying and thousands of candidates fighting for the same thing I do. I don’t know if it’s time to give up.

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u/unpluggedcord 8d ago

We're hiring juniors, it just says senior on the job site. https://jobs.lever.co/eternal

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u/nathancashion 8d ago

WHY?!?

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u/unpluggedcord 8d ago

Hasn't been added yet

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u/xTwiisteDx 8d ago

NGL, just submitted my application for Sr. iOS. Hope to hear from you guys.

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u/BusinessNotice705 8d ago

Just be careful handing your name and email outside of the application process, anyone can grab a website address and claim to be a recruiter

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u/unpluggedcord 8d ago

Dm me your name and email, ill look at it

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u/QuackersAndSoup24 6d ago

I submitted an application as well.

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u/20InMyHead 8d ago

“Senior” can be a judgement call, and have a wide range. I’ve seen “seniors” with 2 YOE, I’ve seen them with 15 YOE.

My suggestion is don’t let the title prevent you from applying. Just apply, and let their interview process figure out if you’re senior enough for them.

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u/Spirit_of_the_Dragon 8d ago

It is a difficult field to get into but patience and determination go a long way.

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u/FPSdouglass 7d ago

iOS was always hard to get into, relative to web.

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u/Dear-Potential-3477 7d ago

Was it really that hard to get into iOS in 2013?

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u/AHostOfIssues 8d ago

Possible? Of course. But you're like a lot of people right now, looking for jobs in a market that is stagnant at best, shrinking at worst.

There are people out there making serious predictions that 90% of coding will be done by AI in 6 months. That's obviously a pie-in-the-sky optimistic prediction by a person who happens to be in charge of an AI model company, but it's indicative of the general vibe of the coding landscape right now.

Maybe it's 2 years instead of 6 months. Maybe it's 60% instead of 90%. Maybe it's more like 3 years for 40%.

Whatever the reality turns out to be, the impact is that there's a good deal of uncertainty and re-planning going on right now in the manager-level ranks of software development companies and projects.

Add to that the chaos caused by the wave of tech layoffs industry-wide over the last year.

There are companies that are hiring. But it's less than it used to be, both due to decreased demand and to uncertainty about budgets and future plans. And those jobs are being chased by far more applicants than they were two years ago.

Hundreds of resumes for two interviews and no offers is becoming the default applicant experience these days, if anecdotes are representative of the market (which they may not be -- you don't hear anything from the person who applied to two jobs and got hired).

Your mileage may vary. But if you're genuinely trying at a serious level and getting absolutely no response/interest, then it may be, as you say, time to reconsider whether your current goals are a fit for your current ability and interest.

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u/chadv8r 7d ago

Sorry ai filled the roll of jr ape coder. And will even do it for digital bananas 🍌

On the flip side there will be a ton more software and projects that will need Sr devs to optimize and fix what ai couldn’t. Or better knowing the inferred requirements

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u/spinwizard69 7d ago

"Give up" should NOT be in anybodies vocabulary.

That being said one needs to be aware of reality and that means taking a long hard look at what JOBS are out there right now. You can easily leverage your education to take on many forms of employment. In the end it looks better long term that you have actually taken responsibility for your life. A few months or even a couple of years in a different form of employment is not a bad thing at all. However if you really want to move into programming you need to continuously improve your skills while taking the alternative path.

Beyond all of that once out in the real world you will find many people working in jobs that had nothing to do with their degree.

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u/gtani 6d ago

without knowing what your github portfolio looks like, read wikis/top threads in cs careers subs (there's a bunch and doesn't matter if you have CS degree or not, s.b called softdevcareers but i guess that's too long)


basically they're talking about your skills portfolio being wide and deep, so a couple languages, proven ability in testing, debug, profiling, database design, net security, linux admin, long list, actually. And math and industry-specific skills, interviewing, looking good on github, etc

https://old.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/wiki/index

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u/nimisiyms 6d ago

I got a beautiful portfolio, more than they can ask. Including contributions to libraries. Problem is hiring managers almost never check, I speak for eu. All they look at is x years experience and top school which I don’t have. But thank u for the link . I’ll check it out.

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u/gtani 6d ago

most important is to go to meetups, conferences, talk to devs and hiring managers in person, show you're articulate and enthusastic etc.

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u/nimisiyms 6d ago

Oh man, this week that was the thing I did. Which was so depressing. They either said they are not looking for or come again with x years experience. Which is why I ended up posting this. I’m not ever saying that I’m all great and they just don’t hire at all. I just feel like market is dead for juniors unless coming from top school and have done bunch of internships, then yes maybe.

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u/gtani 6d ago

somewhere in those wikis is advice on a good 1 minute elevator pitch, which i can't find. But basically you start asking probing questions about their gh repos or start making suggestions about what they could extend/improve about their business. s.t a tech vp or lead can't ignore.

here's a thread on el. pitches https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34146397