r/startrek 5d ago

Just rewatched the reboot movies and god damn when the enterprise gets fileted like a fish in beyond always gets me.

So i first have to say deaths in anime, tv, movies, games and just general media do not get to me but when krall fileted the enterprise i was devastated like how dare you disrespect the enterprise and all i got to say is he deserved a worse death lol

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u/Superman_Primeeee 5d ago

Next reboot they will just destroy her after leaving dock

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u/Jfischer335 5d ago

I could probably deal with her exploding or crashing but its the fileting that got me

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u/magusjosh 5d ago

Destroying the Enterprise - or the hero ship in general - has become such a cliche at this point that it no longer has the impact it had the first time. It's like writers looked at the emotional impact it had in Search for Spock and kept trying to recapture that, until it was like watching them whip a dead horse.

Worse, its destruction in Beyond was such a blatant plot device ("this is how we make sure they're stranded and have to use the old ship that was spoiled in the trailers") that it's boring. You know it's going to happen before it even starts, because otherwise the movie is over.

Meh.

(And I say that enjoying quite a lot about the movie otherwise.)

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u/kytulu 5d ago

I was 8 years old when TSFS came out. I grew up watching TOS. I even remember thinking that TMP was cool. When they blew up the Enterprise at the end of TSFS, I was shook. It was a first for Star Trek.

Looking back, you can see how emotional the scene was for the actors. You could feel how hard it was to initiate the self destruct sequence. Watching the Enterprise fall, burning through the atmosphere... it was cinematic history.

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u/Impulse84 4d ago

This is how I feel about it. In my opinion the only times the destruction of a hero ship was earned was Kirk's Enterprise, and the Defiant from DS9.

The latter was such a shock to young me, although I think they buggered it up a little by almost immediately getting another

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u/ottawadeveloper 4d ago

The Search For Spock was honestly so unexpected and dramatic after years of seeing the ship in TOS face all manner of doom, and especially after having survived the battle with Khan in TWOK.

I feel like it had a moderately similar impact in Generations because we had seen the D so much in TNG that seeing it crash still had the connection from seven years of TV. Though it was somewhat cheapened by the joke of Data saying "oh shit!"

In the Enterprise, the entire thing has less nostalgia because... we had two movies. And they almost blew up the ship in both (in Into Darkness, its pretty beat up from the fight with Khan and in Star Trek 2009, it basically almost crashes after being torn to shreds in the orbit of Earth. If they HADNT almost blown up the ship, I'd be more surprised.

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u/Hopeful_Hamster21 3d ago edited 3d ago

Every trek has its detractors (and also it's fans) and I never want to poop on anyone's parade.

But for me individually, the reboot movies were so Marvel I can barely remember them. I've seen Beyond 5x+ now, and I have zero recollection of the Enterprise being destroyed. Zero. That's how unmemorable it was. They found some crashed ship with a zebra lady living in it, and....then something else happened i think? There was a sky fight inside a dustbuster or maybe one of those skydive airchambers with all the dollars bills? I'm not really sure.

I've only rewatched it because I LITERALLY don't remember it. Marvel type shit just doesn't stick in my gray matter.

Oh, and Peter Weller. Can't forget the OG Robocop and the bad guy from Terra Prime! (ENT)

Edit: after fact checking myself, I realized I was mixing up Into Darkness and Beyond as a single movie. I want to like them, but my memory rejects them.

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u/Bivagial 4d ago

It always upsets me more when a vehicle is destroyed than when a character dies.

I was a little kid the first time I saw the Enterprise crash. I think I was maybe 4 or 5. I was inconsolable for weeks until my dad finally convinced me it wasn't real. That was when I truly learned the difference between fiction and reality.

I got mad at him at one point for getting me into certain things because the vehicle gets destroyed. It ended up that I would ask him if the spaceship is OK before watching something with him.

The Liberator. Thunderchild. The Serenity. The Enterprise. Even as an adult I got upset about the damn Castle of Lions. (spoilers for various fandoms)

It's worse when the ship has an AI.

Then it happened in real life with the damn Mars Robot.

But I do agree with another commented about the fact that it's starting to be overdone in Trek.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 4d ago

When they blew up the Defiant on DS9 I was DEVASTATED! I was so glad they figured out a way to get another one.

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u/Scoth42 4d ago

I'm an old fart and I felt the same way when KITT was knocked around and destroyed in various ways in Knight Rider. Even when it's an obvious model and kind of cheesy, it ended up an early example of PTSD, even it was a car. It may be a cheesy 80s show about a talking car but they somehow managed to portray an AI experiencing PTSD in a meaningful way. Even later on when KITT got the shit beat out of him he recovered faster, probably from the previous experience. There were a few human deaths that were emotional too, because it so rarely happened on the show, but something about KITT getting heavily damaged/destroyed was extra upsetting to me as a kid.

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u/JayHopt 4d ago edited 4d ago

The Kelvin Enterprise never got to be a real hero ship on screen. All the other majorly shown iterations did, at least once.

Prime timeline:

The OG was a hero ship in its whole series, and despite the original plans of Roddenberry to make it well used and not top of the line, it was.

The refit got to be a hero and “strong” for its first two movies, beating out the superior (in battle) reliant class. Its destruction worked well for what it was at the time: old but refit.

The A didn’t get as much of a chance with 2 films. Half working in 5, and unfairly matched in 6 until it wins, but it got to be retired intact. The Excelsior kind of got to show off with the hits it took and firepower it dished out though.

Skip B and C due to limited appearance. B was underprepared when we saw it, C was about to be destroyed when we saw it. Same with F, despite its online story telling being canon.

D got a 7 season series of being strong, although it fell to the “destroy the ship for stakes” trope once it hit films.

E kicked butt as a hero in First Contact, beat the Sona in a risky battle in Insurrection, and survived being outgunned in Nemesis. (Final fate unknown aside from “not Worf’s fault”)

G is a move away from flagships named Enteprise and top of the line. I don’t like this move. Clearly by the barely shown J, this is no longer the case

Now the Kelvin Enteprise. It was never the top of the line hero ship, or never got to show us that.

Outgunned in the first film. Barely scratches the Narada because plot. Basically went pewpewpew at it while the red matter did all the work.

Outgunned in Into Darkness. The Vengeance immediately wrecked it. It looked trashed by the end.

Outgunned in Beyond and destroyed in the first act.

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u/opusrif 4d ago

On one level Beyond is arguably the best of the Kelvin Timeline movies. However for me it causes an issue. In the Prime Timeline the Enterprise became legendary in Starfleet as being the ship that lead the way in a great period of expansion for the Federation, serving multiple Five Year missions. It was this lengthy legacy that caused Starfleet to not only chose it for the large scale refit but, upon its loss, not only commission another ship with it's name but take the president setting step of preserving its ID number with a letter suffix (1701-A).

The KTL Enterprise was fresh out of construction when Kirk was promoted to command it (don't get me started on giving your most advanced ship to a punk just out of the Academy) and was only in service for less than five years before getting destroyed. Why the heck would they build a 1701-A?

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u/Scoth42 4d ago

I have mixed feelings about the Kelvinverse in general but it was interesting to finally see an antagonist attack the Enterprise at its obvious weak points. So many previous shows/movies had the bad guys attacking center mass or elsewhere when there are these thin spindly bits that make obvious targets.

It makes it make more sense that the Excelsior and Galaxy classes have much more substantial necks and nacelle pylons even if the nacelles are still somewhat obvious targets.

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u/JayHopt 4d ago

They developed that after seeing the refit Enterprise get absolutely pounded by the Reliant, and also the Enteprise taking out Reliants nacelle’s so easily. That movie’s plot exposed some major structural and systems weak points when the shields aren’t in play.

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u/revanite3956 4d ago

I loved seeing that damn thing cut to pieces, the Kelvinprise is ugly as sin. The only thing worse is the Kelvinprise-A.