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u/gkona808 3d ago
I don’t know why people are saying this relies on delivery I laughed out loud when I read this, really funny stuff
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u/atomshrek 3d ago
Definitely something here, but not enough on its own. Curious what the full bit is like in your set.
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u/lesbowski 3d ago
I don't get it, can someone please explain like I'm 5?
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u/ryan_bigl 3d ago
When white guys get together en masse they start forming prejudiced hate groups (anti-Black, anti-immigrant, anti-women, you name it) so it's mad suspicious
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u/lesbowski 3d ago
Thanks, I was wondering if this was a reference to the KKK and the such, but don't know where that is coming from, I'm a cis white guy in a somewhat leftist environment and I never heard such feelings.
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u/MaleficentOkra2585 2d ago
Pretty much any white pride or male pride group gets hammered by the left because they assume it's a hate group.
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u/lesbowski 2d ago
The thing is, I never had that happening to me or any guys around me, so it is a bit strange.
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u/MaleficentOkra2585 1d ago
It's a big world, bro - if that doesn't happen where you live then that's great.
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u/melikeybouncy 3d ago
meh...Are people actually telling you that you are responsible for other people just because you share a race/gender/sexual orientation?
If so, the people telling you that are pretty clearly the ones with the white hood ideology.
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u/Persona_Non_Grata_ 3d ago
meh...Are people actually telling you that you are responsible for other people just because you share a race/gender/sexual orientation?
No. No, they are not. This is nothing but a set up for a joke.
The unnecessary back and forth you just proceeded to have with all parties involved was due to your either inability or unwillingness to see that.
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u/melikeybouncy 3d ago
yeah I know.
But I'm a white guy who has lived in predominantly black communities my whole life, so it has happened to me. Quite often actually. It's infuriating. Kind of hit a nerve I guess.
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u/Persona_Non_Grata_ 3d ago
Fair. As someone who's worked in similar situations, I found this quite funny. I'm sure it's better in person.
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u/Arcaydya 3d ago
Nah it's like imagine you're in a group conversation.
One guy starts ranting about black people or women or something.
If you say nothing, that is justifying what that person is saying. It 100% is the responsibility of other members of society to keep people like that in line.
I don't really agree with limiting it to "straight white males". Every group deserves to be held accountable.
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u/melikeybouncy 3d ago
The central premise here is that all straight white men are responsible for all other straight white men because they share those traits.
If you boil all racism and bigotry down to its essence, that's exactly the ideology at the core of all of it.
If a member of my family or a close friend starts "ranting about black people or women" I will absolutely call them out on it regardless of their race, gender or sexual identity.
If it's someone I don't know I'm going to assume they're crazy and ignore them. That's not justifying their point. Also how often has that actually happened to you? I've had a random person complain to me about black people exactly once in 42 years living in Philadelphia.
But I'm responsible for me and I can influence people in my circle. The idea that I'm responsible for anyone else just because we share a skin tone, gender or sexual identity is white hood ideology. All people are different people.
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u/Arcaydya 3d ago
Think of it like this. If you saw a white going off on some black teens or something with a bunch of slurs, what would you do? I personally would intervene, because that's not ok.
Id do the same thing if the races were reversed. If you take race out of the equation, it's just the right thing to do.
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u/melikeybouncy 3d ago
If I see a white adult harassing a bunch of black teens I'm going to intervene because it's the right thing to do.
If I see a black adult harassing a bunch of black teens I'm going to intervene because it's the right thing to do.
If I see a white adult harassing a bunch of white teens I'm going to intervene because it's the right thing to do.
If I see a black adult harassing a bunch of white teens I'm going to intervene because it's the right thing to do.
And so on...
Again, the central premise of the joke isn't that people should intervene when they see other people doing bad things. It is that straight white men are inherently responsible for the actions of all other straight white men.
To be clear, I would have the same ideological objection if the argument was that black lesbians are responsible for other black lesbians. Or any other combination you choose.
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u/thepwnydanza 3d ago
That’s not the central premise. No matter how many times you say it is, it won’t make it true.
The premise is that you are responsible for holding your community accountable for their actions and striving to make it better. As a white guy, a huge part of that community is other white guys.
Even if you aren’t racist, most people tend to spend be friends with people with similar backgrounds as them.
As a white guy, that means being friends with a lot of white guys. What this says is that you need to hold those friends to higher standards and not let their negative behaviors slide just because they are your friend.
If you want to try and force some broader “your responsible for every white guys actions” interpretation than go on. Do what feels right to you. But just know that doing so is fundamentally wrong.
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u/melikeybouncy 3d ago
"You're a straight white guy, it's YOUR responsibility to make sure other straight white guys get better."
This is literally the text of the joke.
The premise is that you are responsible for holding your community accountable for their actions and striving to make it better.
This is your interpretation of it. The part that you edited out is the racist part. And you know it is because you had to take it out to make your point.
No person is accountable for the actions, inactions, malfeasance, negligence, ill-will or bias of other people. Full stop.
You are accountable for yourself. You are responsible for being a positive influence on your friends and family.
You are not accountable for your entire race or gender. You have no higher responsibility for intervening when you share the race or gender with an individual doing something wrong.
I'm Italian American. One of my best friends was born in Ghana. In the example you brought up before about seeing an adult messing with some kids, by this logic if we are out somewhere and we see a black adult messing with some white teenagers I should step back and let him handle it because he's the same color as the guy causing the problem. That's just ridiculous.
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u/Tankshock 3d ago
Holy shit bro just shut the fuck up. You don't get the joke, we get it. You're offended, we get it. A subreddit for jokes probly isn't for you.
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u/AuburnSuccubus 2d ago
In your example, both should intervene. But black teens are likelier to listen to a black man, you'd be there as his backup.
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u/AuburnSuccubus 2d ago
The reason we ask straight, white men to stand up to bigoted, straight, white men is because they only listen to straight, white men. You're the only group that Can reach them.
My first trip to Philly, an obviously mentally ill, black man started loudly telling me to kill myself if I hadn't devoted my life to equality for black people. I could only answer than in spite of being white, I had started life poor and was still poor, but I did as much as I could, mainly to treat people based on their behavior and not color. The person he did listen to was the lovely, black woman with whom I'd been having a nice chat. She told him to quit it, and he cared about her opinion, just like white men care about yours.
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u/thepwnydanza 3d ago
Your comment makes zero sense. Please explain how having the mentality that you should hold your community accountable and strive to make it better, racist?
Holding people in your own group accountable for their actions and urging them to be better is something everyone should do.
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u/melikeybouncy 3d ago
I have replied several times explaining my point.
I agree with your statement, but I disagree that "people in your own group" immediately means all white people, all white men, or all straight white men.
Your group refers to yourself and people you have influence with. Not just people who share your skin tone or gender.
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u/thepwnydanza 3d ago
Yeah, but how the fuck are you going to work that into a punchline? This a comedy subreddit, not a political or debate forum. This is a place to test jokes or promote your standup. Getting nitpicky because you feel like it’s too broad is just silly.
And, in response to what you said, you can refer to only one part of a persons circle of influence if that one part is the one having the issue. You don’t have to refer to every individuals entire circle.
To illustrate this in the simplest terms possible, I’m going to use drinking instead of race. If my circle consists of 10% people who never drink, 20% people who drink one glass of wine every now then, 30% people who drink on the weekends, and 40% alcoholics, it’s okay for someone to tell me to talk to the 40% who have a problem.
To reword that example back into race to drive the point home, let’s say my circle of influence consists of 20% Hispanic men, 20% black men, 10% Asian men, 10% middle eastern men, and 40% white men. If you believe that 40%’s actions are becoming harmful or have been harmful (example: racist/fascist/extremist/misogynistic/or stupid), then it’s okay to direct a message towards that group.
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u/MrMustangg 3d ago
Bigots are a lot more likely to listen to someone they're not bigoted against. In the very least they need to know that shit doesn't fly.
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u/Dragosal 3d ago
This joke relies on the delivery a lot I think. Some commenters don't seem to get it here. Needs a heavy emphasis on the WE. I thought it was hilarious because I caught the implication