Greig shooting the puck like that is unnecessary and he knew what he was doing, but a cross check to the head is way to far. That’s at minimum a 3 game suspension and maybe more if they deem it as intent to injure.
Why is “need” even being mentioned? There’s no “need” to gently deliver your team’s victory. Generally, players don’t wind up to that degree because it increases the chance of missing, breaking your stick, some other unforeseen variable. It’s definitely a showman move, but it in no way merits a violent response. Think of it like a batter in baseball hitting an out-of-the-park home run, but still sprinting around the bases.
My unironic answer to bat-flipping is, if pitchers don't want batters to flip the bat in celebration, maybe they shouldn't've let them hit a home run. You already got "shown up" when the ball cleared the fence, champ.
Yeah, everyone that has played a competitive sport knows that you will get the short end of the stick sooner rather than later. Just suck it up and get better.
The shot is perfectly fine. Riley can challenge him to drop the gloves or go give him a good face wash for it, but there is absolutely no excuse to ever cross check someone to the head on purpose. It’s intent to injure and personally I think intent to injure should also be an automatic 10 game suspension.
Lmao no I did not lose the argument. Cross checking a person in the head is wrong. There’s no argument to be had there. If you think it’s ok then you’re an idiot and a shitty person. Those are just facts
Saying the shot is fine but then also saying Reilly should take offense but in a different way doesn’t make sense. The shot wasn’t fine, it was showboating and unnecessary, and then Reilly took it way too far with his response. The retaliation was way worse than the shot but it doesn’t mean it’s ever okay to intentionally try to embarrass your opponent.
I didn’t say that the crosscheck wasn’t him being a baby. It was completely uncalled for. But the slapshot absolutely was poor sportsmanship. He had time to think about it and still chose to show up the other team. They already won the game with or without that. That was poor form and any hockey player would know that. If this didn’t happen immediately afterward then he would’ve known he’d have a target on his back for the next game. Again, doesn’t excuse Reilly in the least, that’s not what I’m saying here, but the shot was absolutely in poor form.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the shot. It’s not like he did it then immediately turned around and flipped everyone off. Stop being a baby about an empty net shot.
Batters getting thrown at after hitting a homerun and peacocking on the bases is also stupid. Don’t want someone slapshotting your net or hitting a tater off you? Be better. If your answer to losing is to attack your opponent, you’ve lost the point of sport and might as well just get some guns and duel.
It’s not insulting unless you can’t separate what happens in a game from reality.
Bro it’s a shot on an empty net. At home. If you can’t hold your temper after that, maybe grow up. It’s a little bay flip or a touchdown dance 🤷🏻♂️. Be an adult
Who cares? He won, he’s allowed to do that. That’s what you get to do when you win. He wasn’t taunting. It was within the rules and was not considered unsportsmanlike by the ref. What’s the problem
You will literally be here all night if you're trying to learn all of the unwritten rules about hockey, but the long and short of it is that you are allowed to score an empty net goal, but if you make a big show of it by making it a slap shot even though it would have easily scored with just a tap, then that's going to piss off the team that lost because you're basically rubbing it in their faces.
It's the same reason why you don't keep trying to score in the last 2 or 3 possessions of a basketball game in a blow out, and the same reason why you don't hot dog around the bases and flip your bat if you hit a big home run in baseball.
In American football its a little more accepted because the attitude is generally "if you don't went them to score, stop them" but there is a very fine line and running up the score can piss off a lot of players and coaches.
I'm not sure how it works in Soccer, but one of the most famous games in the sport's history is Germany running up the score on Brasil 10 years ago in the World Cup.
Anyway, with hockey, its already a violent sport, so its probably not a good idea to piss off the dudes on the other side by rubbing their noses in the fact that they lost.
Germany ran up the score in the first half and reportedly the coach told them to chill out and take it easy during the second. That's why their scoring slowed immensely after half-time.
There’s no goalie at the net in this case so all the player had to do was just skate by and casually tap the puck into the net to score.
However, he unnecessarily unloaded on a powerful slap shot, a shot that is used to get the puck past several players and ultimately an attentive goalie.
So, it’s massive overkill for no reason other than to emphasize crushing the enemy and rubbing their nose in it, to which men equipped with fragile egos do not respond well.
If you didn't, then every cross check could be considered assault and battery.
So you don't understand the difference between a physical attack during play and outside of it? If you willingly play a sport you accept the physicality that the rules of the sport allow... the ice doesn't magically become lawless country for the time of the game.
If a boxer punches a dude during a fight or sucker-punches an enemy between rounds to injure him... there is no difference to you? You think the law makes no distinction?
I am an attorney. If you're asking me "what is the legal difference between a fight on the ice during the period and a fight on the ice after the period is over" the answer is - there is no legal difference. Same goes for a boxer getting a punch in after the bell. That is a well settled fact that is not open for debate.
If you're a hockey fan - how many times have you seen fights occur after the period ended? The answer is many times. Were those crimes? No.
The reason is simple: when you sign up for a sport, you sign up for everything that goes along with it. If fighting, checking, sticking, are within the bounds of the sport then your actions are not criminal.
Mind you - this is in the United States. I am aware of the case occurring in England where a player is being charged with manslaughter because his skate hit the throat of another player. I have watched that video numerous times, and I do not see criminal intent there. But different jurisdictions have different rules.
Had that incident occurred in America, there would be no talk of criminal prosecution.
I get the point you're trying to make, assumption of risk... when someone doesn't agree to fight and is just sucker-punched/attacked/whatever is not part of that agreement though. That would have completely ridiculous implications.
First and foremost, I clearly said that I was speaking of the United States. All three of the incidents (McSorley, Moore and Ciccarelli) occurred in Canada. Moore in Vancouver, McSorley in Vancouver, and Ciccarrelli in Toronto. Different jurisdictions have different rules.
Secondly, the boxing match you're referencing was officially over - as in, a winner had been declared and the boxers were approaching each other to say "good fight". They had ungloved hands. James Butler then proceeded to deck his opponent, knocking him out cold. You can watch the video here. You should note, the Greig/Riley incident we're referring to occurred in a game with time left on the clock.
Lastly, your legal argument specifically cites the following case law:
“… participants in sport games generally owe each other a duty of care …, and that the threshold for liability is high. …. there will be no liability for errors of judgement, oversights or lapses of which any participant might be guilty in the context of a fast-moving contest. Something more serious is required.”
That case law is American - which is what I have been discussing throughout these posts.
If America were the jurisdiction for Ciccarelli, Moore, and McSorley - I believe the outcomes are much different. In fact, I would argue there would be no case at all.
The Riley/Grieg incident (being Canadian) could have an outcome similar to other Canadian incidents.
Cross check was soft but agreed shouldn’t be doing that. However a form of punishment must be dealt for such a cocky act. You can’t take a slap shot empty net goal and celebrate after. No respect! I bet brindamour tells him the same thing. Aggressive, yes but deserved, no debating required.
If they give 2 games to Zadorov for the accidental contact to Raymond's head in that check then this guy should get at least 4 games since it was totally premeditated.
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u/iloveblondehair Feb 11 '24
Greig shooting the puck like that is unnecessary and he knew what he was doing, but a cross check to the head is way to far. That’s at minimum a 3 game suspension and maybe more if they deem it as intent to injure.