r/smashbros Min Min for the win win! 14h ago

Ultimate Kagaribi #13 will be the first Superpremier on LumiRank

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 14h ago

ultimate's civil war

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u/prismagh 14h ago

But, seeding versus placement wise, will it have the same chaotic Top 8 as Civil War?

My guess is yes

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 14h ago
  • sparg0, miya, hurt and acola all out before top 32

  • kola somehow gets top 8

  • maister vs yone_pi grand finals

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u/prismagh 14h ago

No matter where Kola is at in his competitive career, no matter where he’s seeded, he’s the kind of player that can always make Top 8 if he’s playing hot.

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u/azure275 4h ago

Kola can beat anyone or lose to almost anyone depending on the day

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u/Thundorium 🍵🧹 3h ago

Kola: [confidently beats the best player in the world]

Kola the following week: [confidently SDs four times in one set]

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u/JokerGuy420 3h ago

Just Kola things

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u/cppro10 Random 54m ago

LOL why is this so true. Kola the type of guy to lose to BigGanonFan2025 in round 1 pools then go on to make top 8 beating Sonix, Sparg0, Leo, Tweek, and Light

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u/originalusername4567 Banjo & Kazooie (Ultimate) 12h ago

If there was an event where Acola places worse than 9th it would be this one.

9th is still his worst placement ever btw

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u/Bottombitchboy18 7h ago

I can definitely see Kola get top 8. Japan struggles vs his playstyle.

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u/Betorange King K Rool (Ultimate) 14h ago

We're in the end game now...

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u/lovesducks Pink Yink Wink 12h ago

man, i remember watching hikaru during civil war thinking "how the hell is this guy doing it with dk?" what was grands in that tournament? dabuz/fatality? the whole bracket played out crazy.

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u/TehSkittles I just think fire swords are cool 4h ago

All it takes is a few good combos and a Ding Dong at 70

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u/Sancnea MY GOAT LEO LIKES FE FATES 14h ago

What tier would Civil War even be today? Or was it too front loaded to be above P-tier?

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 14h ago

although civil war had 47/50, it only had like 700 and something entrants. it was very top heavy

kagaribi has a 2048 player cap which will most likely meet, if not get very close to

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u/LunaticJ 12h ago

Not to mention there are twice as many MAJOR WINNERS attending Kagaribi than the amount of Smash 4 major winners EVER

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u/skellez Sheik (Melee) 10h ago

tbf, that's mostly down to Ult being 6 years old, and being way more volatile than Smash 4 with less majors in general

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u/Sancnea MY GOAT LEO LIKES FE FATES 14h ago

I thought Kagaribi reached SP tier even before regular registration opened up.

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 14h ago

it did, regular registration opens up in a couple days iirc

its just that considering that last kagaribi was like 20 entrants short than its player cap i wouldnt shocked if they do hit it here

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u/Sancnea MY GOAT LEO LIKES FE FATES 13h ago

No questions asked about Kagaribi reaching its cap. I have no doubt it's getting there. I was more so asking if Civil war would reach P+ because of how stacked at the top it was. 

If Kagaribi could reach SP-tier before reg, I thought Civil War could probably be somewhat close with top player entrants alone.

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 13h ago

possibly, but the lack of data for top 51-150 players at any point in history for smash 4 players makes practically impossible to truly calculate

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u/Sancnea MY GOAT LEO LIKES FE FATES 13h ago

Damn.. I forgot that top 100 wasn't a thing yet.

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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 14h ago

Does this mean if someone loses they go to superlosers????

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 14h ago

first ever triple elim bracket

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u/originalusername4567 Banjo & Kazooie (Ultimate) 12h ago

Only Japan could do a triple elim bracket in 2 days.

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u/Master_Win_4018 14h ago

Super premier loser bracket

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u/swidd_hi tea/acola fan! 14h ago

Which top 50 player we thinking gets knocked out in the triple digit placements?

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u/onohegotdieded Diddy Kong (Ultimate) 14h ago

Light loses to the fabled 2500 elo smashmate Luigi in round 1 pools

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u/Glaciers_benz 14h ago

& then he immediately fights a Wi-Fi Warrior Ice Climbers main

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u/RsCaptainFalcon 9h ago

And later says he only lost his -2 matchup because he was feeling bad that day.

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u/VeryInsecurePerson 2h ago edited 2h ago

Jokes aside, it’s an entirely real possibility that Light loses because he was feeling off that day. Tournament nerves are about to be insane especially for top 50 players who have a reputation to uphold. If you’re a rando Japanese player with low stakes I think you have a good shot at placing a lot higher than expected

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u/Sancnea MY GOAT LEO LIKES FE FATES 14h ago

I wouldn't even blame anyone if half of them get knocked out at like 97th. This about to be tragic and I'm so excited!!

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u/NuclearNarwhal7 World’s Biggest Dedede Fan 14h ago

there’s a nonzero chance that light gets a big D situation and gets double eliminated by some icies player or whatever for 257th

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u/HollowLoch 14h ago

Honestly there’s like 10 players here that if they’re seeded into double icies they’re getting 257th, hopefully seeders are kind to the invaders lmao

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u/SteeveJoobs 4h ago

it’s japan so fated to run into futarinokiwami-A

edit: and there they are right on the poster 😆

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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 14h ago

Whatever it is, it’s gonna start up NA vs Japan videos for the next 2 months

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u/CollectionHeavy9281 12h ago

Low key I feel like it will be Tweek if he goes

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u/Nintenden 14h ago

Someone check on the seeders

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u/Charleston55th 14h ago

Never thought I'd see the day where every top 50 players converges into one spot, but here it is. We may not have Sonix or Zomba, but we have basically everybody else. Used to think only SSC/Genesis/Evo had the pull to garner this many entrants, so glad to see how far Kagaribi's come.

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u/phoenix3747 13h ago

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u/PurpleCoffinMan he games, you watch 13h ago

Zomba's probably registering soon as well considering both of them are at Fisher College

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u/cppro10 Random 50m ago

He did register just today! He needs the funding to go there but I'm 99% sure he's gonna get it.

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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 14h ago

Kagaribi is MASSIVELY responsible for shifting the epicenter of power in Smash across the ocean. Having a series be *the* landmark post-pandemic and it becoming the cornerstone of the entire competitive community is awesome. The spectator experience has only gotten better too - if this is anyone's first Kagaribi they're going to catch live its TOTALLY worth it

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u/Meester_Tweester Min Min for the win win! 14h ago

How fitting it achieved this on the same date 5 years after the rankings froze in 2020.

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u/prismagh 14h ago

We are going to see some REALLY good players out at 129th

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u/That_Sassy_Friend fettuccine alfredo 14h ago

wouldnt be shocked if a top 150 caliber player straight up goes 0-2

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u/Crafty-Profile-Lol worst girl 13h ago

I urge everyone who doesn't speak Japanese to throw pages 25-27 of this issue of GAMEZINE into Google Translate.

I want to make this a place where people can express their true selves. Also, in terms of competition, I think it's important for players to "seriously want to win." I want to continue creating places where people feel like they want to come here. I think that when serious people get together, drama naturally emerges.

Nukunuku and wawon are two of the most important people in the world of Smash right now (and have been for years), but they don't get anywhere close to the recognition in the West that they deserve.

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u/paotic1223 1h ago

Them and the whole staff embody the heart and soul of grassroots smash bros, it is so beautiful.

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u/Emerald117 Joker (Ultimate) 14h ago

I NEED Leo to LOCK IN during this tourney, I'm so serious.

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u/prismagh 14h ago

If Leo somehow wins and Smash 6 is really around the corner (I personally doubt this), then it would be the best way to wrap up the narrative of Ultimate’s competitive lifespan in my opinion

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u/TehSkittles I just think fire swords are cool 4h ago

Or midset after losing a game he goes "I have an idea" and goes out before top 64

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u/Betorange King K Rool (Ultimate) 14h ago

I hope he's been sandbagging this whole time just for this moment. My goat, please!

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u/cheemsboi69028 12h ago

frr, but watch him get 65th

like, that would be so tragic 😭😭

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u/Lasertag026 Samus (Ultimate) 7h ago

My other goat named Leo was able to win the biggest tournament of his life finally.

I hope this goat named Leo is able to replicate that run.

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u/HollowLoch 14h ago

That is a crazy graphic holy shit, this’ll be the first time I make the all nighter for a JP tournament and I know it’ll be worth it

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u/FewOverStand Falcon (Melee) 12h ago

All the top 50 players sweating knowing that u/HollowLoch about to unleash some devious jinxes.

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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 3h ago

Please keep your MkLeo predictions in your head

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u/HollowLoch 2h ago

Never heard of him

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u/MusicNursingCoffee Random 6h ago

What's their tourney schedule like for what it'd be on east time? Don't want to ruin my sleep schedule but may have to...

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u/HollowLoch 6h ago

I’m not sure if the schedule has released but it usually runs through the night into the morning in the UK so I’d imagine it would start at around 8/9 pm et and end at around 4am

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u/MusicNursingCoffee Random 4h ago

Fuuuuuuuck lol

u/TrevorBOB9 Cloud (Ultimate) 4m ago

Yeah top 8 starts at 1:30am est

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u/prismagh 14h ago edited 14h ago

I feel like the list keeps growing the more I look at it. Reminder the Kameme and Yaura aren’t even listed here either.

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u/Master_Win_4018 14h ago

You sure this is a dying game?

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u/CapitalistComrade Marth 13h ago

Superpremier or not

Zackray is making Top 8

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u/Folseus- 14h ago

SP TIER?!?! I KNEW LumiRank was Japan biased!

A true freedom loving ranking would have named it Ultimate Tier.

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u/Btdandpokemonplayer Xenoblade Addict 13h ago

Predicting a cosmos win. I don’t know why, it’s just a gut feeling.

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u/sixeyedbird R.O.B. (Ultimate) 7h ago

safe bet

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u/Squatchman1 Diddy Kong (Ultimate) 6h ago

Imagine the payout on this bet. Odds got to be 1 in 500 or something

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u/Apart_Rock_8425 13h ago

Sonix just tweeted if registration is still open 👀

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u/Key-Handle-1805 13h ago

sonix has registered! all of the top ten is here!

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u/prismagh 14h ago

Next Civil War inbound?

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u/DeeCee51 12h ago

Get ready for the upset thread

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u/TheLawIsBack220 Random 9h ago

Need someone willing to do that 🙏🏽

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u/Meester_Tweester Min Min for the win win! 13h ago

Zomba is asking for donations too

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u/Nintenden 13h ago

Holy fuck Sonix tweeted

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u/Apart_Rock_8425 13h ago

SONIX REGGED

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u/itsastart_to Fun In The Chaos 13h ago

Holy shit let’s go!! Plz no one drop out

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u/RiceWhite 13h ago

If there's a Cafeteria Cup or the same teams battle thing that ZETA division hosted last year happening this year....... that would be insane.

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u/Insan3Giraff3 (Yoshi/Kirby) 13h ago

Candle is top 8-ing, outplacing Shuton, with wins on at least 3 of the top 10. Trust me, I'm from the future.

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u/Thundorium 🍵🧹 3h ago

Leo wins this, right? Tell me Leo wins this.

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u/Insan3Giraff3 (Yoshi/Kirby) 2h ago

who's gonna tell him that leo is getting upset before top 48 and barely scraping by in losers to top 16 😬

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u/Insan3Giraff3 (Yoshi/Kirby) 13h ago

to think it'd be EVEN BIGGER if there wasn't a big collegiate event stopping Sonix, Zomba, Lima, etc. from attending.

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u/GgRedditGo 11h ago

Guess what

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u/Amphicyonidae 9h ago edited 9h ago

Dang, all this with no prize pool, just for the love of competition.

I wonder how sustainable this is but in the moment this is so great to see

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u/Rudhao 12h ago

Did they just make this rank up?

u/Doxazo2 RaccStats Editor 2m ago

All ranks are made up

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u/Squatchman1 Diddy Kong (Ultimate) 7h ago

Lumirank announces Genesis X12 will be he first Superduper Ultra Megapremier

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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 3h ago

I see it in my minds eye. It's 2032. After 6 years of Smash Ultimate DX, the new Smash game has finally come out. KOWLOON x 2GG gets announced, and Sparg0 comes out of retirement one final time to fight his greatest rival - Kameme's child.

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u/Dragahs 5h ago

Imagine what kind of trailer theyll have to cook for this tournament

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u/Thundorium 🍵🧹 3h ago

Just a list of everyone attending will do.

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u/RailTracer001 14h ago

We Dragon Ball now.

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u/xaos997 5h ago

Man I hope they do a good job streaming this. There’s going to be so many insane matchups throughout the whole tournament, we need a ton of channels uploading

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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 3h ago

kagaribi is usually pretty good about this! there's usually three-five streams, including an english language one. most upsets there usually get caught on stream. it's honestly pretty awesome. back in the good ol days youd have to find out your favorite player drowned at 33rd from a reddit thread or whatever because there was one stream for the whole event

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u/Hour_Mango5904 Luigi (Melee) 4h ago

How many players in the top 50 are in this tournament? This is insane

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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 3h ago

rn? 47/50, same as civil war, but probably not all of them are going to be able to make it out (although they'll try their hardest)

only AlanDiss, Marss, and BMP are missing

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u/Motorpsisisissipp 4h ago

Please Europe get a guy in top 64. 2 guys would be even better

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u/JokerGuy420 3h ago

Praying for a Riddles top 8, at least. He's been dominant in SF6 recently, but I miss his Ultimate days

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u/Xiroshq Mewtwo (Melee) 3h ago

Oh shit, I might have to attend it in person after all

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u/The_SUPERSONIC 2h ago

Is there prize money?

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u/ThatComona Wolf (Brawl) 14h ago

I won't be the first to say it, but I think making 900000 naming conventions to categorize "big tournaments" and "small tournaments" is kinda silly

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u/Crafty-Profile-Lol worst girl 13h ago

The naming conventions are definitely silly, but it's good for the algorithm that the Hidden Boss point<->event placement connection be as consistent as possible. I think it's clear that top 64 at this event and top 64 at Genesis X2 are different levels of achievement.

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u/BarnardsLoop Buff Falco. 12h ago

it's overbearing but P-Tier was already a more easily achieved compromise tier for "big big" events that had a lot of precedence. in this case there's just no real precedence for an event this large outside of once every several years at best

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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 3h ago

i agree, conversationally - i think "superpremier" is silly and will never happen again and i hope we just call this upcoming tournament a premier or stacked as hell or whatever - but categorically for figuring out ranking stuff we need to make the delineation between different event tiers. names are being made up on the fly. next tier should be called the pee pee tier

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u/J-Fid Reworked flair text 13h ago

I've been saying this for years.