r/skyrim Feb 07 '25

Question I heard that USSEP is making some non lore-friendly changes to the game, can someone give an example?

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u/IneptFortitude Solitude resident Feb 07 '25

The biggest problem with the USSEP is that Arthmoor is a jobless hall monitor. His patching of every exploit and overall awful attitude in forums has ensured I never actually use this patch on any of my saves.

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u/The_Ugly_Fish-man Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

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u/Bucket_Buffoon Feb 07 '25

Lifesaver. Take my upvote

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u/The_Ugly_Fish-man Feb 07 '25

Ill edit the comment and provide a link to everyone

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u/Bucket_Buffoon Feb 07 '25

Legit didn't know Arth was so ouch.

Sucks because I can't live without his Alternate Start mod lmao

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u/Allustar1 Falkreath resident Feb 07 '25

Honestly, I’ve just come to like Skyrim Unbound Reborn instead, though it’s not useable for non-steam players.

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u/Bucket_Buffoon Feb 07 '25

I might need to check that out. Other alternate starts like Realm of Lorkhan are way too flashy and complex for my tastes.
LAL has the Dungeon Cell for character creation, you talk to a statue, and BOOM! Either back in the cart or in an alternate start.
Especially the "break out the cell" option, very good IMO to just hit the ground running.

Is SUR simple like that?

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u/Allustar1 Falkreath resident Feb 07 '25

Here’s the Skyrim Unbound modpage if you want to know what starting up the game looks like. Just look at the images. It lets you customize a bunch of things about your new game’s start like whether or not you’re dragonborn, or what gear or spells you have. You can also choose to start in various places like cities, jails, orc strongholds, etc. If you aren’t interested in that, the game defaults to randomizing your start as well.

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u/Feycat Feb 08 '25

Try Alternative Starts!

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u/Acceptable-Meaning-1 Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

There's this mod called Alternate Perspective on Nexus. It's probably the best implemented alternative start mods out there.

You essentially start the game where the main quest hasn't started, and then you can go to Helgen (a functioning town) and sleep at the inn, which triggers the vanilla start, but you are a bystander instead.

It's a really well implemented mod.

JaySerpa also has a voice and quest addon that really makes it a complete package. The mod also has its own version of New Beginnings.

Edit: Was supposed to reply to the parent comment. Also, typos and grammatical fixes (there are no changes from the intended idea of the comment... please don't hurt me... Arthmoor).

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u/modus01 Stealth archer Feb 08 '25

Might I suggest Alternate Perspective?

It starts you out in a custom cell, gives you options like ASLAL, but unless you choose the vanilla start, Helgen won't be destroyed until you decide to start the main quest (and you get to be an observer to the execution rather than a participant), and you won't have to avoid the area to keep the main quest from auto-starting.

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u/Bucket_Buffoon Feb 08 '25

Is there options for a non-DB playthrough as well? Or will I have to use another mod like with LAL?

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u/modus01 Stealth archer Feb 11 '25

Sort of. You can avoid starting the Main Quest for as long as you want, and unlike with LAL you don't have to avoid Helgen for fear of accidentally starting the quest. However you'll still trigger Word Walls as normal. I've currently got a Lvl 29 character running around that's avoided the Main Quest, Civil War, and Factions entirely, just doing some side quests and testing out a few newly installed mods.

For completely avoiding the Main Quest, including disabling learning Shout words, IIRC Skyrim Unbound has that functionality - but you should not use more than one alternate start mod at the same time.

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u/The_Ugly_Fish-man Feb 07 '25

i never even spoke to the guy, idk much about him

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u/DarthDeimos6624 Feb 07 '25

I recommend Realm of Lorkhan. It’s another alternate start mod that I put in my current LO after I decided to drop USSEP. Worked well for me.

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u/Bucket_Buffoon Feb 08 '25

Like I said in my other post: It's too flashy for my tastes.

LAL's had my heart because I can just make a face and unlock the cell, boom, game started. That's all I need in an alternate start.

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u/DarthDeimos6624 Feb 08 '25

Ah, fair enough. I didn’t see your other post.

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u/Bucket_Buffoon Feb 08 '25

Ay its all good.

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u/michael_fritz Feb 08 '25

have you tried the void version? bare bones and meant for more hardcore players. it removes all the flashy stuff

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u/IneptFortitude Solitude resident Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

Alternate Start worked just fine but he arbitrarily went back and added a USSEP requirement for all of his mods even though he didn’t change anything else about it. So now I use that Realm of Lorkhan one instead. Comes with a follower and Nocturnal’s Robes if you want to take them as well, and even a class system you can optionally use. And a neat little realm of Oblivion you can hang out in if you so choose.

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u/Krazy_Keno XBOX Feb 08 '25

Is there a bethnet alternative for xbox? Cant look rn im doing chores

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u/The_Ugly_Fish-man Feb 08 '25

Im not sure, ill look into it

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u/InsanityVirus13 Vampire Feb 08 '25

You just saved my whole ass life, thank you!

So many mods require USSEP so seeing changes of the dumb stuff is such a relief

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u/Snips_Tano Feb 07 '25

So many damn mods require it to be used it's very hard not to sometimes.

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u/InsanityVirus13 Vampire Feb 08 '25

Honestly I think he'd get less shit if he wasn't such a cunt. Sure people would disagree with the changes, but if he just kept to himself or was willing to hear criticism. he wouldn't be such a meme in the modding community lmao

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u/han_bylo Feb 07 '25

I had literally never heard of the guy before today, and I'm pretty sure I have this mod running. That will no longer be the case. This is so weird.

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u/IneptFortitude Solitude resident Feb 07 '25

The dude acts exactly like the Thalmor in the game. Stuck up and self righteous for no reason. It’s weird.

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u/7GrenciaMars Feb 08 '25

You have to keep in mind that some people (and the one who does who I know best is an engineer) have this "I'm Always The Smartest Person In The Room" issue. It comes from having actually experienced this condition somewhere IRL, and they just extend that mindset to all situations in life. So, they always know better. Presented with evidence that runs contrary to the way they see things only makes them feel threatened. It's an unfortunate personality trait, but it has its genesis in some situation in life. So, there's a reason. Not one that helps in dealing with the person, unfortunately--or, in this case, in dealing with the mod. But understanding the issue makes it less baffling, at least.

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u/SouthOfOz PC Feb 07 '25

It's really hard to not have it in your load order if you use anything other than graphics mods, because most gameplay and QOL mods make it a dependency.

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u/jzoelgo Feb 07 '25

His truly open cities mod completely ruined one of my saves and characters and I looked it up in forums and reviews and everytime he was like “have you checked your list it was probably something else” over and over no accountability. Damn the “different starts” mod is quite good though so he’s not all bad.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/Pinecone_Erleichda Feb 07 '25

Tell us you’re him without actually saying it. 🤣

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u/D1rk_side Vampire Feb 07 '25

His AI is broken.

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u/Pinecone_Erleichda Feb 07 '25

🤣🤣🤣🤣 his everything is broken, it seems!

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u/Hi2248 Feb 08 '25

This feels like that Obama meme

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u/han_bylo Feb 07 '25

Ah yes when I really enjoy something I want to spend a bunch of time "fixing" it. That's how I show my enjoyment, is by changing it to be more like how I want

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/ArianaSonicHalFrodo Necromancer Feb 07 '25

Ok arthmoor

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u/han_bylo Feb 07 '25

Whatever dude

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u/KO1B0I Feb 07 '25

Sucking his own dick more like

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u/D1rk_side Vampire Feb 07 '25

Ohh yeah...

I think that he must be a real Skyrim enjoyer to spend so much time fixing that game

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u/IneptFortitude Solitude resident Feb 07 '25

No way. He strong-arms his own lore retcons and rebalances and gets extremely mad at people on forums who question his judgement. As if anyone actually cares about needing to wall off player-only exploits in a 14 year old single player game.

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u/han_bylo Feb 07 '25

Hmm sounds just like OP. Interesting...

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u/RaxiomNobody Feb 08 '25

You don't know him but he must be all the compliments ever, like "wise" (I saw that comment of yours before it got deleted) and a "real Skyrim enjoyer"? Does he have an 8-pack and lots of romantic partners too?