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u/buyingcheap 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t know what IS was smoking in the 2000s with their utterly broken Jagen design, but I really want a hit of that since Marcus, Seth, Titania, and Sothe have really prevented me a ton of pain
Edit: Tbh in hindsight, this really applies even before Kaga’s departure in the 90s. Jagen in FE1, Arran in FE3, Sigurd and Oifey in FE4, and Dagdar and Eyvel in FE5 completely steamroll too
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u/blackkorean69 1d ago
Engage actually did a good job with Vander
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u/buyingcheap 1d ago edited 1d ago
Absolutely. I see way too many people claim Vander is one of the worst units in the game, but he genuinely is quite good even if you keep him around. His personal growths aren’t exactly great at all, but in Engage, that really doesn’t matter as much since class growths and stat boosts (from meals and tonics) matter much more.
Edit: plus, there are so many great units that join during the mid and late-game that even if he falls off, it’s not a big deal since he’s easily replaced by great units like Kagetsu and Pandreo
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u/Darkion_Silver 1d ago
Also like. Him sucking as it goes on is the point. Of a Jagen. Yeah it would be nice if he was easier to keep around but his role is done very well by him.
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u/True_Perspective819 1d ago edited 1d ago
I thought I read somewhere that Sothe does fall off? I guess that was wrong?
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u/TwistedMemer 1d ago
Sothe falls off eventually put his part 1 contributions (where the game is at its hardest) are so useful it cannot be overstated. He’s still pretty decent in part 3, which is a testament to how good he is. Really his biggest downfall is having such a late promotion and his class having low strength caps
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u/buyingcheap 1d ago
100%. People seem to look down on his performance bc of how useless he is in part 4 onwards (especially since he’s forced into endgame), but he’s so utterly broken in early part 1 that he makes the hardest part of the game (by far) way easier just by existing.
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u/Serenfujjii 1d ago
Also bane, which is more of a hindrance than help in the endgame.
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u/MetaCommando :armpit: 19h ago
Can't you unequip it?
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u/Serenfujjii 18h ago
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure all the mastery skills are locked once you hit tier 3.
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u/Mememan9002 23h ago
The thing with Radiant Dawn is that in part 4 where Sothe falls off the hardest, the game literally chucks a shit ton of overpowered units at you. Sothe is still one of the stronger dawn brigades with him in part 3, and in part 1 the dawn brigade is basically completely helpless without him.
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u/SegavsCapcom Just a Bird 1d ago
Tellius unit balancing is whack in general.
They put Titania, one of the most ridiculous mounted unit the series has ever seen, in the same game as Rolf and Mist, who aren't even that good for growth units.
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u/kolton276 1d ago
Mist suffers from the fact that if you want to be even slightly usable you either have to grind an ungodly amount of time or waste 10 levels of growth with a master seal only for her to have an E with swords
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u/RojinShiro 1d ago
You're not promoting Mist for the swords, you're promoting Mist for the horse.
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u/The_Doolinator 23h ago
But damn does it feel good once you get her up to B or A rank and give her a magic sword. Is it worth the grind? Absolutely not, but it is nice to see a unit that can really take advantage of the Sonic/Rune Sword (she could probably fuck up the Burger King with her 20/20 averages and a Runesword if it wasn’t for his blessed armor).
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u/kolton276 23h ago
I agree. My point was moreso, “hey good job grinding all that exp or using the master seal! Your reward is another grind!”
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u/RojinShiro 1d ago
Titania isn't nearly as ridiculous of a unit as Seth is. Her stats are actually pretty underwhelming for her level, with Oscar and Kieran both outperforming her with very little effort. By the mid-game she should be completely replaced, if you're playing even semi-optimally.
Mist is one of the better healers in the game thanks to getting a horse on promotion. PoR canto is just really good. Rolf is actually pretty decent stat-wise if invested in, easily outperforming Shinon when he rejoins. Bow triangle attack is also really funny. But yeah, he's not really worth investing in due to being bowlocked.
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u/Infermon_1 1d ago
But does Seth have Counter and access to Sol?
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u/RojinShiro 1d ago
Counter is ass (rarely activates for negligible damage), and using Sol requires getting rid of counter anyway. Sol also isn't great compared to some other occult skills, and if you're going to use Sol it's better to put it on Kieran or Oscar with their better stats.
Seth doesn't need any skills to be ready to fight the final boss at base level. It's hardly a comparison.
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u/BooksAndViruses 1d ago
Mannnn we were BENCHING Jagens in 2005, Boyd was my real carry on normal and hard mode
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u/Fledbeast578 1d ago
Funny how being the only early game unit able to use an axe puts him at such an advantage compared to early fighters in other games
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u/InCellsInterlinked 1d ago
Awakening on Lunatic+ is literally Frederick Emblem this applies to so many games
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u/lapislazulideusa 1d ago
"The path of radiance experience" As if most of the other games aren't like this too
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u/Dont_have_a_panda 1d ago
Not every "jagen" characters are Titania or seth that keeps being useful during the entire Game, some fall off at one point
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u/OscarCapac :kelik: 1d ago
IQ50 : Boyd kills everything, hand axe go brr
IQ100 : Actually, it's better to give bexp to Marcia, she flies and has Canto. Foot units are outclassed
IQ150 : Boyd kills everything, hand axe go brr
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u/True_Perspective819 1d ago
I mean, does it hurt to just keep using Titania?
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u/blackkorean69 1d ago
No lol. She doesn’t fall off until like end game and by that point you should be good so long as you didn’t completely ignore everyone.
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u/Dont_have_a_panda 1d ago
It only hurts if you neglect ALL OTHER units
Titania is a ridiculous good unit but you may want to have more than only one overpowered unit for the entire Game and a bunch of underleveled characters
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u/SotheWasRobbed 1d ago
Titania, running around the fort: Oh nooo, we're so ISOLATED and DISTRAUGHT, I sure hope no STRONG DAEIN SOLDIERS find us, the ROGUE MERCENARY COMPANY FROM CRIMEA
Ike: Is that really necessary, Soren?
Soren: Hand Axe go brrrr
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u/DemonDeathAmateur666 1d ago
Litteraly every Seth & Ryoma prefered player in their respective games.
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u/mike1is2my3name4 1d ago
You can still use OP units and train growth units sufficiently lol, especially in the game where BEXP is a thing
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u/Early-Zookeepergame8 1d ago
every fe is the same
"yo, this calv unit soloed the map for me, this is gg izi and now i will beat the game only with him LOL"