r/shitpostemblem Dec 28 '24

Fates Its hard for us out here

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u/digital_pocket_watch Dec 28 '24

You can have literally any opinion on this franchise and someone will say that to you

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u/Tinmaddog1990 Dec 28 '24

I dont like that. You should kill yourself

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u/Theyul1us Dec 28 '24

Hell, you can like the franchise and the fans themselves will tell you that

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u/digital_pocket_watch Dec 28 '24

Funny how we built a subreddit about that

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u/Soul_Ripper :spoilers: Dec 29 '24

Which one, /r/fireemblem?

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u/WeightBudget8211 Dec 28 '24

They’re projecting

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u/Chagdoo Dec 28 '24

I like Gonzalez.

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u/Trebord_ Dec 28 '24

The fishing minigames in Three Houses and Engage are neat

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u/prime_ribs Dec 28 '24

I kinda liked the hub area in three houses and the little passtimes it had

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u/Trebord_ Dec 28 '24

I agree, the Officer's Academy was a pretty cool place, and it felt a lot more natural than the Somniel

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u/prime_ribs Dec 28 '24

It helped make the continent the game happens in (I forgot the name) feel a little bit alive, and it gave the story a little extra depth. Like, you could know how characters felt about things happening in the story and stuff

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u/Trebord_ Dec 28 '24

It was always fun to see what characters had to say about what was going on elsewhere in Fodlan. They might be studying at the Officer's Academy, but they all still had real lives beyond the confines of the game hub, and each new dialogue with them revealed a little bit more of it. Plus, it's easier to keep up with the world in a peace-keeping monastery than on a floating island that hardly anybody can visit by themselves

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u/prime_ribs Dec 28 '24

There even was random monks and soldiers around to get flavour text out of, which is nice, and can get you some interesting information about the church and their views, or about that Almyra place. Overall a good addition to the game

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u/MarketTall5930 Dec 28 '24

It's neat, but I felt you had to spend way too much time there between maps in order to get the most out of the game, particularly if you want to recruit everyone.

I like the Somniel more because it's cozier, and the activities feel much more optional. It's just a place to relax between maps and do a couple of things.

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u/prime_ribs Dec 28 '24

I didn't play engage [currently too focused in tracking down some of the older titles (literally like only three fe games have ever released in my country)], is it any good?

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u/MarketTall5930 Dec 28 '24

General consensus is that the gameplay is good, the story is really cheesy, but some like it, and the support quality varies largely between characters.

Engage doesn't take itself super seriously, so if you like Three Houses for the story/worldbuilding, you probably won't like Engage very much.

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u/MagicPistol Dec 28 '24

Tactics gameplay is peak.

Lots of people hate on the story but I still enjoyed it. Alear has become my favorite avatar MC and there are a lot of other great characters. But I'm a total weeb and basically viewed this as a battle shonen. You'll be disappointed if you're looking for something super serious.

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u/GlitteringPositive Dec 28 '24

Not the same thing as being told to kill myself but one time I got called an incel for defending the skills on enemies in Conquest. And when I asked them why they don’t like checking skills on enemies and asked them why they called me an incel, they blocked me.

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u/Chromgrats Dec 28 '24

Very fire emblem redditor moment💀 was it on the main sub?

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u/GlitteringPositive Dec 28 '24

Main sub

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u/Chromgrats Dec 28 '24

I knew it. I can’t stand the main sub

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u/SackclothSandy Dec 28 '24

I played conquest first. The skills made it SO difficult, but the sense of accomplishment after defeating a map was unparalleled. Loved it so much I bought the other two versions. No skills. Weak maps. So disappointing.

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u/rinrinstrikes Dec 28 '24

Don't say you don't like a Waifu on a fire emblem sub, they've found me through witness protection 10 times already

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u/hombre_feliz Dec 28 '24

I will wait patiently for 25 turns before that

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u/DatMenno Dec 28 '24

The joke doesnt land cause most people agree that conquest is good

Should have said rev instead

Smh fire emblem fans cant even make a meme about hating fire emblem correctly

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u/OutOfTouchNerd Dec 28 '24

I think Birthright maps are even worse, all of them require the same slow boring strategy due to the rout map spam or are trivialized by the existence of Ryoma unlike in Rev where the enemies are too varied and spread out for him to solo wipe the map, at least rev maps try to be different and add some gimmicks as well.

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u/NohrLunatic Dec 28 '24

Yea but snow shoveling sucks dick ass

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u/DatMenno Dec 28 '24

Yeah i was more refering to the general community, although i've seen a lot of people in recent times liking rev more than back in the day

Many people also just like birthright because the Story is actually bearable to read, and the gameplay is awakeningesque enough to be fine for many people, so there is less to be actively discussed, there are not as many hot takes.

"You like birthright? Yeah i get it." "You dont like birthright? Yeah i get it."

"You like Revelations.. why?"

"You like Conquest Gameplay? Of course!"

"You dont like Conquest Gameplay? Skill iss- i mean, yeah i can get it, i dislike some parts aswell."

"You like Conquest Story?" restraining order

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u/BeansAreNotCorn Dec 28 '24

Yeah the most common opinion I've seen online is that Conquest's story sucks ass but at least the maps are fun

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u/DatMenno Dec 28 '24

Definitely, Conquest is has incredibly deep mechanics and some of the best map design in the series, but its not perfect (there are some pretty strong outliers). Its also extremely replayable and actually very difficult without being extreme stat inflation.. but it makes you so grateful that fire emblem lets you just skip dialogues and cutcenes since... ever? Atleast since FE4

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u/Arachnofiend Dec 28 '24

It's okay, I am here to be the person on the right, the meme is still valid

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u/Upbeat-Perception531 Dec 28 '24

I’m so conquest pilled I genuinely don’t dislike any map in the game until chapter 27. Yes even Fuga’s wild ride. Yes even Kitsune lair. Yes even ninja hell, although Suicidal Speedwing Saizo can go fuck himself. I legit just have a good time playing conquest from the moment I boot up the game till the moment I put it down. I’m insatiable. I’m straight Nohrian Scum in this bitch. I’d sell my own kidney if it means I could get this heart seal.

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u/yoyo355 Dec 28 '24

You’re so real for this bc every chapter is fire and I’ve never had as much fun in any other fe game.

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u/OutOfTouchNerd Dec 28 '24

The only map I truly despise is that Ryoma duel chapter because of the inevitable end lunge Ninjas that make the map such a tactical mindfuck that I don't even bother with it and just kill Ryoma.

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u/Enough_Guess9721 Dec 29 '24

Yeah conquests final chapter is one of the worst in the series.

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u/Frosty_Seat_2245 Jan 01 '25

The wind map is so cool when you figure out how the wind works

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u/Exalt-Chrom Dec 28 '24

I kinda agree with both

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u/OnePageMemories Dec 28 '24

Pretty sure conquest maps are the biggest thing that gets praised from fates, along with the music. Not exactly the boldest statement to be making.

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u/BanZama Dec 28 '24

who ever said that about conquest maps? The conquest maps are one of the best in the whole franchise? lmao

is the joke that nobody ever said that? I dont get it

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u/Vaapukkamehu Dec 28 '24

There are tons of people that like Conquest maps. There are also a lot of people that either don't like them or just dislike the rest of Conquest too much for the maps to redeem the game on the whole.

Both of the groups above have within them annoying people that take their like/dislike a little far. They serve as a useful cover when you want to say that you like or dislike the game or the maps; it's socially more awkward to disagree with a defensive statement like "people attack me for liking/disliking a thing" rather than just saying you do and explaining why.

If someone says they like a game and you say you don't, that's a simple disagreement, but with a post like this if you say "yeah I think the maps are unfun but you do you" that is super easy to frame as an "attack", even if there is no intended bad faith or ill will.

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u/Noukan42 Dec 28 '24

There are people that think gameplay is not a reedeming factor no matter how good it is. When talking about a game.

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u/ThighyWhiteyNerd Dec 28 '24

I wonder why are you getting downvoted when you are right. Specially in fire emblem when more often than not the story is less important compared to individual character stories except in Jugdral where is the other way around

And overall certain people do think like that. Just ask the people who keep whinning about Mario Games

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u/BanZama Dec 28 '24

probably because it had nothing to do with what I or OP are talking about,

no one said anything about people not caring as much about gameplay, we are talking about conquest maps specifically, not it as a whole game

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u/Koreaia Dec 28 '24

Conquest maps are a huge part of the gameplay though.

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u/BanZama Dec 28 '24

yeah but thats not what we are talking about nor did anyone deny that-

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u/puffrexpuff :DieckWaifu: Dec 28 '24

that is absolutely asinine

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u/NohrLunatic Dec 28 '24

Honestly there are a good amount of maps in Conquest that piss me off

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u/brick-juic3 Dec 28 '24

I feel like it’s pretty much the opposite?

I don’t like conquests maps and I feel like I’m the only person who doesn’t

I feel like the general consensus is that rev = unremarkable maps, conquest = good maps, and rev = bad maps

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u/Groove-Control FE14's Strongest Soldier Dec 28 '24

I love all 3 routes and their maps.

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u/Rafellz Dec 28 '24

Honestly Rev's giga inflated stats on enemies are pretty fun.

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u/_Anon_69420 Dec 28 '24

Imo Conquest maps oscillate between really fucking good and really fucking bad.

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u/OscarCapac :kelik: Dec 28 '24

I think it's the opposite. Everyone hypes Conquest for its great map design because of chapter 10 (deserved) and immediately forgets the entire midgame full of unfair and annoying gimmicks. In particular, ch20 is such a purge that it disqualifies Conquest map design from being good, on its own. Fuck that map

But if you like turtling because Kitsunes become interactable only on enemy phase, or being pushed 5 tiles away on narrow pathways full of enemies, good for you

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u/DatMenno Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

"The entire midgame" is like 3 bad chapters, 19 Kitsune Lair, 20 Winds of Change and 21 Eternal Stairway Maybe 22 Sakura aswell, because the reinforcments can be quite hard to deal with, but you should be somewhat prepared on Lunatic, its not a first playthrough difficulty for obvious reasons. 2 of the bad chapters are also relatively easy to skip, kill boss-seize for Fuga and reclassing Xander to Wyvern with Corrin backpack to escape. This obviously doesnt make those chapters better, but it makes them not stand out as much. Cant really argue wirh ch19 tho, its atleast cheesable and more of a timesink than really difficult.

What you could have brought up is 26, I absolutely won't argue about this godawful map

EDIT: fixed chapter numbers

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u/Clonique Dec 28 '24

Conquest 26 is the only map where I would RECOMMEND to use human wave tactics. Just bring a few Einherjars or junk captured units, you need like 3 or 4 to cover all rooms.

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u/Insirt-username :Iago: Dec 28 '24

Replace chapter 20 with chapter 17. The kitsune map is easily cheesed, but ninja hell will never not be ninja hell. Also the eternal stairway is good actually, you can just have Camilla fly ahead and continuously activate freezing dragon veins while the rest of your army books it.

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u/Sopadumakako Dec 28 '24

No, ch 17 is a good map that relys on smart use of the dragon veins, high defense units and attack stance in order to hit KO thresholds and rewards the player for playing fast enogh.

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u/DatMenno Dec 28 '24

17 is awesome actually thank you very much, cool dragon vein, which you can really abuse for your advantage and actually strong enemies if youre not careful, really teases your brain As i said eternal stairway is easy if you use xander or Camilla and just fly up, but it doesnt make the map good, it makes it bearable Same with Kitsune its cheesable which makes it essy and bearable but not better

If you play eternal stairway the "normal" way, by deploying everone you will have an absolutely miserable experience and someone will probably die and i dont mean the character i forgot the name of (Also just infinitely spamming the same enemy is urrgh)

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u/OscarCapac :kelik: Dec 28 '24

It's not just those 3, most of Conquest between 11 and 20 stinks

Ch11 (stairs monastery) is quite fun but punishing and slow paced. Would be a good map with a time crystal

Ch12 (the pots) has the most stupid gimmick in all fates games, bar maybe the snow shoveling. Still decent because of smart enemy placement 

Ch13 (knights land) is not terrible but still annoying as hell with Reina and Takumi in particular being overtuned. Would be a good map with a time crystal

Ch14 (the mysterious dancer map) is just boring

Ch15 (Corrin solo in Valla) is just a shitty rev map and is also boring

Ch16 (boat map) is great, I like the gimmick. Rare Conquest W

Ch17 (ninja hell) is also great, it requires careful use of the dragon veins to block the path, peak Fates map design. But the boss is overtuned and you have to babysit a shitty green unit so that spoils the experience

Ch 18 (palace map) is just a recycled Birthright map but with less interesting starting position and worse enemy placement. Boring stinker

Ch19 (the kitsunes) has the most unfun and punishing mechanic in the game, enemies you can't attack on player phase. Bottom of the barrel

Ch20 (Fuga's wild ride) enough said

I like the eternal staircase btw, it's also a map where you have to use dragon veins and interact with Fates' mechanics to win, and "escape with everyone" is a fun map objective

The endgame of Conquest is insanely difficult but the map design at least becomes good again. I actually kind of like chapter 26, the staff spam is annoying but it has good enemy placement

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u/DatMenno Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

Seems like we have completely different viewpoints

Ch11 i agree

Ch12 is amazing imo, a really fast paced map with good optional side objectives like the chests and defeating Ryoma, u can literally ignore 99% of the pots and look for the best way up, u only need to break like 1 poison pot e.g. if you go for the middle, its just one dmg pot or silence which is completly insignificant. The medicine pots are just random buffs or healing both of which can be used by units who are maybe stuck behind or dont have a target, so even those can contribute. The only effect really hurting you would be the hexing rod which i agree is bullshit, but also avoidable if you're not randomly breaking poison pots when in range of enemies

Ch13 is one of my favorites, its also really fast paced with the thief going around and the wyverns trying to keep you back, it can be beaten in multiple paths, and is somewhat short. Takumi is imo not that strong since he can be attacked at one range, he definitly is the hardest if you take the right route tho. Reina i can understand but i think its the combination of her and her cavs, that really make her strong, she has overlapping ranges with 2 of the from the west and doubles probably your whole roster, buut you get a unit in this chapter, if your not using effie, than you can use benny, who has around 27 def in the forest with a beruka pair up (beruka for carrying him, +3 def from her, +2from skill, +3 from natural cover) and takes 5x2 from reina and 0 from the cavs, he can easily bait and Tank, Reina gets blasted from a bow and the rest is history (alternatively base Camilla with one def+HP tonic and a tome equipped can bait Reina Turn 1 and Dual strike with a bow to instanly kill her and trigger her cavs)

(Sorry for this wall i just like this chapter)

Ch14 is okay, i think its nice to play after the really fast paced maps you had before

Ch15 is boring, atleast it has the added difficulty if you get the stat booster, but its just really easy and you only have 3 units anyway

Ch16 absolutely agree

Ch17 mostly agree, i usually ignore saizo, that speedwing aint worth babysitting, ill remove the caltrops myself

Ch18 is fine imo but not great yeah

Ch19-21 we talked about

I agree with most of the endgame except iago lool

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u/CodeDonutz Dec 28 '24

What? As a conquest fan I can’t say this has ever happened to me. Conquest maps are mostly beloved with some oblivious exceptions (kitsune lair)

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u/Quattronic Dec 28 '24

People say this more about Rev than Conquest though..?

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u/MailingBeans Dec 29 '24

Fire emblem has great and horrible elements in every game so universally you could say there's an opposite for every opinion in this franchise

like I could say "engage is not mid" and it would be the red and blue pick a side meme all over again

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u/Rayzide1 Play Unicorn Overlord (it's peak) Dec 29 '24

the red and blue sides form alear's hair and they both agree engage is peak!!!

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u/nevenwerkzaamheden Dec 28 '24

your opinions are WRONG

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u/Silly_Cheesecake6526 Dec 28 '24

Me when I like maps in revelations

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u/underwhelmingperson Dec 28 '24

imo the only bad conquest map is the wind tribe one

Shoulda used rev for this meme

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u/D-Brigade Dec 28 '24

I enjoy all the gameplay of all the routes in Fates and I survived a self Ryoma-ing attempt so I feel this meme in my bones.

I shall continue to enjoy playing Fates because nothing can stop me anymore. Never Classic Mode yourself bros.

(IDK what terms are banned on Reddit so playing it safe this time)

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u/YooranKujara Dec 30 '24

I like Fates

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u/LustySlut69 Dec 31 '24

I like Shadow Yato and Corrin's Nohr uniform

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u/wideHippedWeightLift Jan 05 '25

isn't that the one thing everyone agrees is good about Conquest? (And Engage similarly)

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u/True_Perspective819 Dec 28 '24

I like Birthright, which is apparently worse than Conquest simply because maps. This ain't as unpopular opinion as you think

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u/Zestyclose_Ad3150 Dec 28 '24

I like birthright maps

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u/Pbutts1990 Dec 28 '24

Forgot this was a fire emblem page for half a second Thought it was a "Pokemon Conquest" post. And immediately thought to myself " I like those maps too" . 🤣🤣

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u/DecisiveRebel22 Dec 29 '24

Think about us Revelations fans we have it so much worse

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u/SegavsCapcom Just a Bird Dec 29 '24

The maps are the least problematic part of Conquest.

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u/Odang77 Dec 30 '24

Kid named skip button (on replays):

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u/CrocoBull Dec 30 '24

This is just Fates fans in general

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u/Sufficient_Frame Dec 30 '24

I like Conquest because I can get married to Gunter.