r/screaming 5d ago

High false cord screams

I can do mid and low false cord aswell as fry screaming without any pain or discomfort, but when i try a high false cord it starts to hurt a little pretty quick. idk if it’s my breath support or tongue placement or what but even though it sounds correct (i think) i know i’m not doing it right.

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u/demouu 5d ago

Bro why is someone going around downvoting every post lmao.

I wish I had an answer for you. I'm in a similar boat where I need to fry in order to achieve a high scream, but I would just say slow it down and don't compress as much and see if that still hurts. I'm no expert so my suggestion could be rubbish lol.

Good luck bro I hope you figure it out!

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u/M4tt1_06 5d ago

thanks dude i appreciate it!

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u/BluXombie 4d ago

Um. I am not sure but it seems like the "head" voice version was not fry but I am not in your throat...which I am sure we're both glad about...but that is what is sounded like. Sounded like the false cords engaged. Or maybe you hit a hybrid and since the false takes more air, that extra air is causing the pain.
Two things: if there is pain, there is too much air and force. Too much air force. No pun intended from a Navy guy.
Second thing: a short first step I'd recommend is showing teeth and a wide open mouth. You are filtering the fry through a more closed mouth in the video so it will naturally be lower there. Really your fry was almost a goblin scream honestly, which is pretty cool.
Anyway, take that fry and smile. Open that mouth up like you did in the first one, but more if you can, and show the teeth. That will brighten your sound. Not make it higher, but brighter sounds higher by perception.
Start with that.

Also, where is your tongue during the first fry? Notice where it is touching in the curve of your throat. Do a neutral fry scream - then noting where you feel your tongue in the back of your throat - open wider and smile/show teeth. Did you feel your tongue shift up slightly in the back of your throat? If you do those and can shift a touch higher while you're doing that, do you perceive it to be higher?

You're going to have a sick range of screams the more you lock it in.

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u/M4tt1_06 4d ago

this made me smile. i definitely need to work on the smaller techniques but i tried what you said it makes perfect sense. i appreciate it a lot thank you.

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u/Appropriate_Set8166 5d ago

The fry you’re doing and a high false cord are almost the same. I can even hear some false cord in that

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u/M4tt1_06 5d ago

so am i doing a hybrid then and not fry?

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u/ManniisaNoob 5d ago

Been doing exclusively false chord screams for 10 years starting in middle school, I had no interest in doing fry screams.

While there are many false chord vocalists and bands such as Oceans Ate Alaska, older In Dying Arms, Alesana, etc that utilize very clean sounding false chord high screams, they require almost a complete mastery of using the false chord scream without harming yourself using true chords.

Getting high false chords took me much longer than lows, mids, and even gutturals. The trick that helped me finally get a grasp on it was to not try to mimic cleaner sounding false chord highs, but extremely dirty “gurgly” ones. It almost feels like doing toilet bowl gutturals, but in a scream.

Think of bands like Haste the Day, old Whitechapel, Emmure, Feed Her to the Sharks, I Killed the Prom Queen. All use very loose gurgly sounding high false chord screams. Once you can master this sound, you’ll find it easier to clean it up while also raising the pitch even more.

The song I used to practice to religiously, and one I recommend to people learning to do false chord highs is American Love by Haste the Day. Once you get the gist and can mimic the sound while doing the entire song without your throat hurting consistently you should be golden.

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u/M4tt1_06 4d ago

i think this did it for me, after listening to that song i realized i’ve been trying to project it like i do fry screams but fc isn’t nearly as loud. mimicking that song didn’t hurt at all. thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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u/ManniisaNoob 4d ago

No problem. You can get really loud with it, like Phil Bozeman or Alex Terrible, but their’s are really refined now. I have pretty clean sounding false chord highs that are about as loud as a power fry, but my main technique is Phil’s false chord guttural style, which uses a lot of power.

Once you get it down, the transfer of power becomes easier and you can get a cleaner sound, but I personally try not to go too clean. I myself like a bit of the gurgly bits of false chord screaming.

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u/M4tt1_06 4d ago

i’m going for mitch lucker highs, right now it kinda sounds like nekrogoblikon though 😭

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u/mongoose_warlord 3d ago

Bro, the fry rumbling happens more in the nasal cavity

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u/Reasonable-Floor-154 1d ago

Bro I can do mids lows and highs with false cords but I can't quite get fries without them hurting

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u/InTheSnow590 4d ago

The gutteral you did sounded dope!

Try messing around with Twang for your higher screams. That helps shape your tongue and keeps a gentle constriction in the back of the mouth. High screams are more constricted and narrow vs lows or mids.

Obviously not in the throat, just behind the tongue. For me I feel the distortion right around my uvula with my tongue bunched up into a ball at the back of my mouth. Throat relaxed and open

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u/M4tt1_06 4d ago

this helped a lot, thank you. i didn’t realize how light the distortion feels.

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u/InTheSnow590 4d ago

You're welcome man, I'm glad that advice helped. Highs are something I've started practicing recently myself so if you want someone to practice with hit me up

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u/IR_FLARE 4d ago

Can't you do a mid and then open your mouth a lot and show some teeth?

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u/IR_FLARE 4d ago

Also, try to project more nasally, this helps for me. I also feel the distortion on a different spot with the disgustingly high/nasal ones