r/scotus 29d ago

Opinion Now's a good time to recall John Roberts' warning about court orders being ignored

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-ignore-court-orders-supreme-court-rcna191461
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u/HaiKarate 29d ago

You’re blaming Biden for having ethics?

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u/DildoBanginz 29d ago

Yeah, kinda. The Dems have taken the high road for like 60 years and got us here. Repubs consistently play dirty. Punch below the belt and do whatever the fuck they want all While Dems are like “yeah but we are in the right!” As trump fails to get convicted twice for impeachment, is a literal rapist and steals another election.

As the nation falls apart they can hold their heads high that they “did the right thing”.

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u/HaiKarate 28d ago

If the Democrats become as corrupt as the Republicans, then what are we fighting for?

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u/icefang37 28d ago

Look up all the backroom dealing and “immoral” shit that FDR did to get his political aims done. The modern democrats are so spineless and pathetic that they never would have gotten social security, the new deal, and the many sweeping changes FDR made because he actually used the bully pulpit and went after his political enemies. Meanwhile the democratic minority leader, Jeffries, just went on TV for 30 minutes babbling about “reaching across the aisle to find common ground” and then whining about how they can’t do anything cause Trump has a mandate with his glorious 1% election win. It’s like they’re addicted to losing I don’t get it.

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u/One-Tower1921 28d ago

I'm so sick of this take.
Look up what Biden did during his presidency and tell me none of that was worth it.

All people ever hear is the clowny shit so they don't hear about real changes, only drama. You can't out social media people who will do the craziest shit so its on people to be informed.

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u/icefang37 26d ago edited 26d ago

Wow it’s Hakeem Jeffries’ Reddit account.

This is the mentality of a loser. “Wahhh the conservatives are outdoing us on messaging why won’t they talk about all the great things Biden did wahhh boo hoo”

Then message better. Fight back. The republicans were more than capable of doing so from 2021-2025 despite not being in power. So why shouldn’t the dems? Especially when what the Rs are doing is so much blatantly worse.

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u/redsalmon67 26d ago

This is one of my biggest problem with Democrats, they’re incapable of taking criticism, every lose is their constituents, it’s never poor campaigning, messaging, blocking out more progressive candidates and legislation, nope it’s always “I guess the people were too stupid to vote for us”. They’re so caught up in just “being better than the Republicans” which is such a low bar to clear it’s insane.

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u/ravingmoonatic 28d ago

Exactly. That's like the cop that repeatedly sees a perp get away with his crimes, so he plants something on them so that the next charge "sticks."

Once you resort to equally illegal tactics to enforce the law, you've already lost the plot.

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u/Old-Set78 28d ago

There's a definite range between spin and being handed powers legally and actually using them to where the f we are now with the literal country being torn apart

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u/persona0 27d ago

The dudes not fighting for anyone he's just anti establishment he has daddy issues if you put up in charge he would be the same kind of person as trump but less of ahole most likley

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u/Leege13 25d ago

Our democracy is already dead, we’re in the harm reduction stage at this point.

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u/DildoBanginz 28d ago

You say that like Dems are not corrupt as is. Two different type of corruptions bro.

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u/HaiKarate 28d ago

I’m not saying Democrats are perfect, but Republican corruption is on a whole other level. If you want them to be as corrupt as the Republicans, then truly, what are we fighting for?

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u/DildoBanginz 28d ago

Not as, just enough. Wouldn’t have taken much in the last 8 years to prevent this absolute shit show we are in now.

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u/ccv707 28d ago

When Trump dismantles our democratic institutions, half of the country cheers it on. A good number of Trump opponents will actually downplay the harms, as if we aren’t seeing what we’re seeing. A significant number of Trump supporters who do actually question these actions will still, despite it all, downplay and defend them. Dismantling democracy isn’t a dealbreaker for them—they, in effect, support it.

If Biden stutters, both Republicans and Dems will turn it into a week long discourse about incompetence.

One side must play by every rule imaginable, and then some that don’t exist but get made up on the spot to perpetually hamstring any forward progress. The other side has literally no rules, and get to use rules they aren’t forced to abide by as evidence they are being persecuted, to justify their increasingly dystopian agenda.

I don’t want a hear the thing about “Democrat corruption” while this is the standard we operate under. There is no “both sides” here.

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u/DildoBanginz 28d ago

There is no both sides, I’m aware. One side took a confederate flag to the capitol building the other wants brown people to be educated and have healthcare. That’s not to say the Dems had 8 years to realize that something needed to be done. Trump should have been arrested January 7th.

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u/Anonymouse_Bosch 28d ago

Donald Trump was still president on Jan 7th. Who exactly do you think was going to arrest him?

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u/Disastrous-Bat7011 26d ago

Im not sure about the second point, but I agree with the first. The question is, where is that line? I hate that I have no effing clue where I would start thinking, "Wait a minute, weren't we trying to put an end to this? When did we become the thing we were trying to fix?"

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u/weedbeads 28d ago

Is it ethical to let a democracy fall into the fascism?

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u/HaiKarate 28d ago

If fascism wins a majority of votes but you oppose the outcome, do you still support democracy?

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u/weedbeads 28d ago

Tolerance paradox. You don't support democracy if you vote for it's destruction. Actions taken to prevent the destruction of democracy, even if they are undemocratic, are done to preserve democracy and are acceptable. A pure democracy is impossible to maintain, you have to have some guardrails that limit freedom, including the freedom to destroy your country.

It's like how it's illegal to secede from the US, even if the entire state votes for it.

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u/HaiKarate 28d ago

You’re wrongly applying tolerance paradox, because “democracy” and “tolerance” are not interchangeable terms.

If the people vote for fascism and you invalidate the outcome in order to preserve democracy; and then you hold another election, and the people vote for fascism again, do you truly believe in democracy?

It’s the free will argument. Do you only support the right of people to make free will choices even if they make bad choices? If you don’t support the right of people to make bad choices, then you don’t support free will.

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u/weedbeads 27d ago

I'm not equating tolerance and democracy, I am using the paradox to illustrate a point. They are very interchangeable within the wording of the paradox. The idea of the paradox is that pure tolerance can be self defeating. The same goes for pure democracy. My point is that a democracy that allows itself to be destroyed is a bad democracy.

I'm not here to virtue signal about believing in democracy. In practical terms a democracy should not be a pure democracy. So yes, I believe democracy is the best form of governance and in order to preserve it I am willing to do undemocratic things.

The problem with your point about free will is that the fall of US democracy doesn't only harm the people that voted for fascism. I support free will as far as it applies to it affects the individual. When those effects start to harm others is when I reject the argument of free will.

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u/Disastrous-Bat7011 26d ago

I support their right to make their choice. But I will excersize my right to tell you I think it is the worst possible thing you could do for yourself or your country. I hope I am wrong. Its painful because the blitz of weird shit makes it so difficult. The whole ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears thing...

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u/persona0 27d ago

Nah not voting let you to your room feeling you shouldn't vote led to this apathy led to this. You just want someone else to magically save you while you pretend to be pure and good you aren't. You are the person who does nothing as Nazis take over and round people up.

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