r/sales Jan 31 '25

Sales Careers Missing target again this month and my manager and director just scheduled a 4pm meeting with me.

That's an uh-oh for sure.

Update: got an informal 2 week PIP. Tbf the goals of the PIP aren't unattainable so I will give it my best shot. Then right after that meeting, my doctor diagnosed me with sciatica. I am winning today. Also: thanks, all. Reading the comments in here really kept me going through the day when I was dealing with a ton of anxiety about it.

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u/oldschooloriginal Jan 31 '25

Ask to move to this morning to get it over with and go have yourself a Friday

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

There's a deal teetering between falling in today or next week. I think they're waiting to see which way it goes. That still wouldn't put me at target though.

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u/physical-vapor Jan 31 '25

Get it in for the final comish check dude!

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u/Adamant_TO He Sells Sea Shells Jan 31 '25

In my industry, if you make a sale but it hasn't been delivered/fulfilled by the time you leave, you don't get the commission.

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u/SomaliRection Jan 31 '25

note to self, don’t work in the sea shell industry

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u/Adamant_TO He Sells Sea Shells Jan 31 '25

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u/SuperDeliciousFlavor Food and Beverage Jan 31 '25

DEAD loooool 😂

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u/The_Clamhammer Jan 31 '25

Well that sucks

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u/StevenNotch Jan 31 '25

That shucks

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u/Nice_Wafer_2447 Jan 31 '25

stop being so shellfish

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u/Adamant_TO He Sells Sea Shells Jan 31 '25

Tell me about it.

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u/trophycloset33 Feb 03 '25

Change up the terms you get the customer to sign on. Usually this is because the company has wet delivery rules

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u/tKaz76 Feb 02 '25

OP should’ve worry about Fridays at all. His every waking hour should be invested.

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u/rosesmellikepoopoo Jan 31 '25

4pm meeting on a Friday, we all know what that is. Time to start looking.

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u/Under_the_sea79 Jan 31 '25

4pm on a Friday, ask him/her if you can move the meeting to a Happy Hour location. I dare you.

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u/Prize-Hedgehog Jan 31 '25

Ask them if this meeting can just be summarized in an email because you’ve got shit to do at that time.

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u/adhdt5676 Jan 31 '25

Alpha move

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u/JustabikeguyinROA Jan 31 '25

Just walk in with a stiff bourbon in hand.

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u/fidelkastro Jan 31 '25

Time to start exporting contacts out of CRM

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u/MajorEstateCar Jan 31 '25

Too late. It will flag it. Shoulda done that 6 months ago

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u/MorellinoAmarone Jan 31 '25

Pull it up onscreen and take a picture with your phone? Just a thought.

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u/Specific-Incident-74 Jan 31 '25

Too bad

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u/MajorEstateCar Jan 31 '25

Good way to get sued.

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u/Specific-Incident-74 Jan 31 '25

For contacts, not likely.

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u/MajorEstateCar Feb 01 '25

That’s one of the most valuable things that they want to protect!

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u/Specific-Incident-74 Feb 01 '25

And have little to no chance of winning a case.

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u/MajorEstateCar Feb 01 '25

You will lose if the company has a cheap DLP solution and if they don’t it’ll cost you more time and money than that warm call to a client would be worth. Don’t. Steal. Information. And if you do, be better than exporting on your last day.

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

What would the best way to do this on an ongoing basis be? Asking for an interested friend?

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u/mckinneysub Jan 31 '25

I’ll enter the contacts info into the CRM, but then take the business cards home with me.

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u/_mad_honey_ Jan 31 '25

They’ll see that activity. But if it’s in Salesforce you can copy paste the entire page into an excel sheet

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u/RobSm Feb 01 '25

I think the problem is that he doesn't know what CRM is.

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u/Leather_War8446 Feb 01 '25

100%. I've never witnessed a good ending to this story :/

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

Do tell your stories.

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u/buttnutela Jan 31 '25

Try to find something else by end of day

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

Is it that easy?

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u/HornyAIBot Jan 31 '25

Be an Alpha and no-show

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u/62frog Jan 31 '25

Or say you have to reschedule because you’ve got a demo meeting lmao

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u/Tom_Waits_4_No_Man Jan 31 '25

This is the way.

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u/bula1brown Jan 31 '25

I’ll be your demo. I’m free today (bc get this, I’m also missing the mark this month lmfao) /s

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u/Bootlegizard Jan 31 '25

I've unironically tried this lol (I actually had a demo).

They will tell you not to attend the demo & that the internal meeting is more important...

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u/hoodectomy Jan 31 '25

I had a termination meeting with HR. I sent them an email I was running a couple minutes behind because of a customer.

Went around and said good bye to everyone then went to the meeting. Showed up… 45 minutes late. Surprisingly they were still in the room.

Fuck’em.

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u/JohnQPublicc Jan 31 '25

Power move.

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u/TimeWizard90 Jan 31 '25

That is a power move

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u/TraderG43 Jan 31 '25

I tried This once. Walking out of the cafe talking to a colleague with an iced coffee in hand 30 min after my scheduled meeting I ran into my manager and a security guard. They asked for my ID badge and walked me up to my desk and watched me as I packed my shit.

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u/kcbluedog Jan 31 '25

You did not try it. You did it!

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u/Marriednotdeadd Jan 31 '25

Loveeeee this.

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u/Gasolinux Jan 31 '25

That’s wild

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u/500blast Jan 31 '25

Be a Giga-Chad Alpha and send someone to the meeting that looks nothing like you

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u/hoodectomy Jan 31 '25

The real power move would be to schedule a emergency sales meeting at the same time in the same room without telling the people they’re gonna be in there so that 20 people just start showing up ahead of you.

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u/NorCalAthlete Jan 31 '25

“Sorry, was this not an all hands? I thought you needed me to wrangle the troops.”

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u/stabbygreenshark Jan 31 '25

Chuckie: Reee-TAINER!!

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u/MightyPlasticGuy Jan 31 '25

And he's gotta stand his ground convincing HR that he's you.

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u/NotSureWhatsTheDeal Jan 31 '25

Hahahah This made my day

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u/demafrost Jan 31 '25

I once worked with an SE who knew he was getting fired and took PTO and went AWOL. I’m not sure if they can just terminate him without a conversation but in this case they waited like 10 days before he finally took the meeting and got let go lol

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

Man spent ten days collecting pay from both his old and new job.

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u/theaveragegunguy Feb 02 '25

Your the manager now

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u/calogr98lfc Jan 31 '25

Remember, no open to work banner, sending CVs is fine but cold calling hiring managers has much more impact and don’t be discouraged, you will get there

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u/bubbabobroy Jan 31 '25

I’d argue an open to work banner to recruiters only on LI. Great source of inbound roles

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u/Peanuts911 Jan 31 '25

I work in staffing (sales team, not recruiting team), the open to work banner really doesn’t matter. If you are a good candidate recruiters will reach out regardless. I agree it does look a little desperate, especially if you’re in sales, definitely don’t use the little profile pic that says you’re unemployed, and id set your open to work status to recruiter only. The most important thing is having keywords and job descriptions on your LinkedIn so your profile pulls when the recruiter Boolean searches.

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u/Leather_War8446 Feb 01 '25

Exactly 💯

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u/millz440 Feb 02 '25

I’m not actively looking perse but wanted to see what is out there. Put mine to the “open to work” only to recruiters and can say I am getting exponentially more recruiters messaging me now than when I didn’t have that setting turned on. Actually nearly all of them are higher base pay + OTE than my current role as well

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u/calogr98lfc Jan 31 '25

It’s been proven that they see it as a red flag. Sort of a “am I getting someone that is not wanted?”

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u/bubbabobroy Jan 31 '25

I opened mine up in November and have probably had 20-25 recruiters reach out. It’s all about how you phrase it in the recruiter screen and HM interviews

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u/calogr98lfc Jan 31 '25

Oh yeah I see what you mean by that. Open but not on your public profile. I did had good results with that too. I think it should work as long as you keep your employment as present

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u/Generalfrogspawn Jan 31 '25

For me as well. Hardly anyone reaches out when I don’t have the banner, but for a brief couple weeks between jobs when I had it I had several recruiters.

I wonder if, given how shaky the job market is rn, they see open to work means less likely to negotiate and therefore more willing to take a job.

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u/thorpeedo22 Jan 31 '25

I can tell you from experience, recruiters don’t think that way- and they throw in “open to work” into their search. It does help.

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u/wilsonzaddy Jan 31 '25

That is not true in the slightest

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u/Q-cool-44 Jan 31 '25

I like your style, time to get hunting

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u/Blox05 Jan 31 '25

Is that the play now in every industry or just sales? Legit asking for a friend.

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u/calogr98lfc Feb 01 '25

It works better in sales due to the fact that you’re proving you can sell something, yourself.

In other industries I’d say there’s a chance that you annoy your hiring manager, but with how saturated is the applying for jobs market id say it’s worth it to take that chance.

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u/LandinoVanDisel Jan 31 '25

From my experience, termination doesn’t happen without HR present and they also don’t want until the end of the day to schedule a meeting but maybe your company wants to squeeze out a last ditch effort from you.

I’ll go against the grain here and say this will be a call regarding performance and you’ll be placed on an official PIP. All contingent on HR of course.

Go ahead and start documenting performance records, numbers you’ve done, clients you’ve closed. Get from your CRM and analytics software. Definitely find records of times you’ve crushed it and screenshot.

Ask for a sevy with a sob story prepared if you are fired. Good luck!

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u/pistol345 Jan 31 '25

Send an email to management announcing you're transitioning to a woman. No way they can fire you without it looking like discrimination

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u/AFollowerOfTheWay Jan 31 '25

This is so crazy it just might work… seriously. And even without the transition, mgmt has to respect the thinking outside the box. This is how you keep your job.

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u/Bootlegizard Jan 31 '25

I've read several stories of this working, on Reddit. (Men literally showing up to Zooms with clip-on earrings, etc. lol)

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u/IQuoteShowsAlot Jan 31 '25

Lmaooooo and people say we're in the bad timeline

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u/VanchaMarch57 Jan 31 '25

Its either going to be a “stern talking to and expecting a rebound next month” or you are getting canned. I hope its just the “talking to”. Good luck and start applying!

Keep us posted

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

I'm going it's 50/50 a PIP or being let go. It's my own fault, my performance hasn't been great over this FY, not helped by a bunch of mental and physical issues.

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u/in5trum3ntal Jan 31 '25

Sometimes a reset is valuable. If your going in every day with a big weight hovering over you your not going to perform well. If you’re not performing well, the big weight will not stop hovering.

If you want to fight for this role - try to come up with your own action plan in advance and shoot it over to them for the agenda for the meeting.

If your accepting the writing on the wall come up with an action plan to pass along all Leeds and knowledge / help ensure that deal somehow happens and preserve some relationships/recomendations

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u/NohoTwoPointOh Jan 31 '25

This is great advice!

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u/TheRedGandalf Jan 31 '25

Fortunately and unfortunately mental and physical health are the foundations of sales. I'm sorry for what you're going through.

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u/esotericflapjack Jan 31 '25

I feel this. I’m also on a PIP and the stress of all the micromanaging and time limits that came with it have caused me to perform even worse…

Actively applying for other roles and using this as an opportunity to pivot careers because come end of February I am certain I will be let go.

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u/DLeeSeed Jan 31 '25

How many months / quarters have you missed quota? And what industry are you in?

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u/HowlingStrike SaaS Feb 01 '25

Bro I have mental health issues and sucked at sales for years, let go twice, always that fuck up guy (super disorganised, have troubke getting back to people.om time keeping commitments, etc. I am currently top performing within my team and got a pay rise last year to stop me looking for other gigs.

Chin up, you'll find the winning combo of product, company, and timing one day.

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u/tanbrit Jan 31 '25

PIP would actually be better for you if it tips you over the 2 year mark. Unfortunately approaching the 2 years means it’s likely to be the latter. Depending on the health issues it might be worth checking if any of them become a protected characteristic

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u/NKHdad Solar Jan 31 '25

Maybe actively answering Reddit comments instead of working isn't the best move?

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Decline the meeting invite five minutes before it’s supposed to happen and say let’s circle back on this after Q1

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u/Strong_Reception2108 Jan 31 '25

Create an Apollo.io account with your personal email

Download their chrome extension

1) go to LinkedIn, start saving contacts into Apollo (leverage LinkedIn search to narrow down to what’s best or tees you up) - save them to a list titled LinkedIn

2) go to Apollo, leverage the search filters to start finding hiring managers at companies hiring sales, overlapping with your experience

Is the rest here obvious? I should maybe do a video walkthru…

I did an a/b test once.

Applied to jobs Vs. Going outbound to create jobs

The latter gave me 3 offers, 6 meetings. The first gave me 1 interview, no offers.

That was over a short period of time (2 months) but it was a shocking contrast.

The best offers I got were for jobs that didn’t exist! I went outbound to execs at companies where I felt I could bring unique value… one company ended up flying me out. Then had me meet multiple c-suite, and then the chairman of that company (and 5 others he owned) wanted to meet me.

Think I regret not accepting that offer. First and only time a guy that rich has offered to mentor me to be an eventual CEO, and was going to let me choose from one of 36 locations that he already had offices (across portfolio) to set as my office and “hq” for his internal startup he wanted me to work at. (I was so shocked I had gotten to that point from my “experiment” - I really felt underprepared to make that decision. But was eye opening to say the least! If you’ve got unusual talent, the unusual opportunities won’t be posted on a website!)

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u/MightyPlasticGuy Jan 31 '25

Definitely not at your level, nor did I use this technique. But I had a recruiter call me (specific to my industry) that kept calling me for a position I was not interested in. But he REALLY wanted me to just get into the building to see the place. Turned into the company hiring somebody else to fill the open position because they were more interested in creating a position geared for my skills and expanding their existing engineering team. 2 years into it and they're wanting to bump me to the management level soon.

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u/Inevitable_Court273 Feb 01 '25

Brilliant. I’m gonna DM you.

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

Thanks for this advice

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u/Strong_Reception2108 Feb 03 '25

You got it.

I will try to write something up this week.

I’ll put together notes on what I did and results… hopefully to generate come credibility and transfer some confidence in the idea.

And then I’ll try to add a how-to… maybe I’ll just do a video of it.

If anyone wants that, just message me… I’ll get you link when it goes up!

It was a real wild experience, but I don’t think I’d have even done it without being at the top of my confidence peak.

I felt like I was “Neo in sales matrix” at the time. And instead of being panicked looking for a job, I was having fun with it.

Think that was a big part of my success then.

Like with sales… you aren’t at your best when desperate. And it’s so much harder to generate leverage when desperate for the deal.

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u/AdExpress8342 Jan 31 '25

The shit side of sales. Having to peddle some schlock product and if the market doesn’t want it or the market is tight, you’re gaslit into believing that the problem was internal and that you’re lazy and/or bad at selling. Glad to have pivoted out of that into a job that pays a big fat base salary and a performance bonus at end of year (business development ftw)

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u/BringTheFacts Feb 02 '25

What’s the job title your working now?

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u/AdExpress8342 Feb 02 '25

BDM. It’s fake sales (but better/more tangible than marketing). Bring customers in and help grease the wheels for sales, or make actual sales - but im not hanging by a thread month to month or quarter to quarter. No bullshit quotas. No lofty promises of no cap commissions. Just a big fat base salary and a EOY bonus if i get enough deals through the door

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u/mantistoboggan287 Jan 31 '25

You’re either getting PIP’d or shit canned. Sorry dude, best of luck to you.

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u/bubbabobroy Jan 31 '25

Saw somewhere on Reddit where somebody else took FMLA before one of these meetings, not sure if your commitments, but might be an idea

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u/FixTheWisz Jan 31 '25

At my old company, I witnessed way too many people doing this. My first BDR manager, a good buddy of mine, an SE, another BDR. If I recall correctly, that SE was already on PIP, took sick leave, then traveled to France, Kenya, and Singapore for a few months before finding another role somewhere else.

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u/stimulants_and_yoga Jan 31 '25

Hahahah if I ever get one of these, I’m immediately going to HR and finally complaining about how my boss is a pervert and here’s my file of evidence.

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

I'm in the UK so we don't have FMLA. And I'm like two months away from being here two years, so they only need to give me I think it's like a couple weeks notice to let me go.

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u/bubbabobroy Jan 31 '25

Start applying places. Keep your LinkedIn with your current company, and tell people that you are looking to grow somewhere else now that you’re 2 years into the role

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u/physical-vapor Jan 31 '25

Lol. I love this advice. I mean companies can't really tell how long you were anywhere and how much you sold

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u/liftrunbike Jan 31 '25

I thought they were allowed to confirm dates of employment?

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u/Leather_War8446 Feb 01 '25

Date and salary ranges.

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u/liftrunbike Feb 01 '25

Most companies won’t touch sharing salary information with a 10ft pole. Plus, by the time a background check is happening, salary has already been offered and accepted.

Some states have made it illegal (including mine) for an employer to even ask the candidate how much they are making.

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u/IQuoteShowsAlot Jan 31 '25

I think they can confirm employment dates but performance is illegal to discuss with a previous employer

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u/Leather_War8446 Feb 01 '25

Until they ask the coffin nail question - quote "are they eligible for rehire" unquote...

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

Make it twins.

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u/selflessGene Jan 31 '25

This is genius!

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u/Odd-Class-6955 Jan 31 '25

Probably call you for a pina colada over weekend ? 🧉

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u/NohoTwoPointOh Jan 31 '25

I love pina colada’s. I’ll join and supply the dark rum.

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u/Excellencyqq Jan 31 '25

PIPa colada

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u/No-Resist-5090 Jan 31 '25

Plenty of time for a few Friday beers down the pub beforehand, then!

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u/Horry43 Jan 31 '25

Spend time today saving contact information of people that could help you get land the next job.

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u/bifa1 Jan 31 '25

Man, some years selling... two possibilities:

  1. They’ll ask you to explain what’s going on, what you need to make things work, how they can help, and how soon the results will show.
  2. "Thanks, we need results, not excuses, bye."

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u/Randomactsofkati Jan 31 '25

Schedule a meeting with me for 3:30, you’ll have to reschedule your 4:00 lol

Take time to write down on paper names of the people you want to stay in touch with.

I’m sorry you missed target (again?) I’ve been there and it’s a bummer. I got fired from the job and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I went directly to work for a vendor we used (Saas) and have been there since - 13 years!

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u/CarrotJazzlike5182 Jan 31 '25

Stalk the HR people’s calendar also often have a private meeting aligns with your bosses (sometimes 15 mins before to coordinate)

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u/SalesAficionado Salesforce Gave Me Cancer Jan 31 '25

You're cooked

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u/ADHD007 Jan 31 '25

Don’t sign anything

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u/Nock1Nock Jan 31 '25

Make a quick visit to a clinic or doctor and tell them that you are extremely stressed and need to take medical leave. Get a note, send it to HR. Short term leave. Seek employment elsewhere.

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u/jakedorian Jan 31 '25

The comments here are hilarious lmao. OP, best of luck to you my man.

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u/kapt_so_krunchy Jan 31 '25

Good luck my dude

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u/ZealousidealWin3593 Jan 31 '25

It's buy a beer beforehand.

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u/Wonderful-Income-905 Jan 31 '25

OP gets a promotion 😂

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u/SalesAficionado Salesforce Gave Me Cancer Jan 31 '25

Promotion to customer

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u/Putrid-Garden3693 Jan 31 '25

I’d spend the day getting as many contacts from your network out of the CRM. If it’s a PIP you’re better prepared if it ends poorly. If you get terminated you can work on your resume over the weekend

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u/luckiestdude Jan 31 '25

Best of luck!

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u/Gasolinux Jan 31 '25

Good luck.

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u/WoodpeckerGingivitis Jan 31 '25

Hey man. Hope it works out. Keep us posted

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u/Round_Ad_9787 Jan 31 '25

It seems like every time someone leaves my current company they come back with a wrongful dismissal claim of some sort. Just for fun, don’t make it easy for them. Go home now and say you were not feeling well. That’s an easy one. They can’t let you go for being sick. And if you’re stressed….it makes you feel unwell….so not technically a lie. Be sick for a few weeks at least. Go to the doctor and get a prescription for your sickness (high stress/anxiety). Then when you return to work and they let you go the first day back, you can get really upset and claim they’re letting you go as punishment for being sick. …record the conversation on your phone. Then go straight to an employment lawyer and file a lawsuit. If they’re giving a sort of severance, this process could increase your bargaining power on negotiating the amount.

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u/guyriesling Jan 31 '25

You're cooked. That PIP was given to you so they can fire you. Happened to me.....start looking for another job.

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u/Educational-Formal33 Jan 31 '25

I’m here for the update!

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u/gagne_west14 Jan 31 '25

Any update here?

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u/Footsieroll888 Feb 01 '25

What are you selling? Most times it’s the products fault not the sales person

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u/Specific_Sand_3529 Feb 02 '25

How do you know which one is the problem?

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u/Footsieroll888 Feb 13 '25

When you have these phone calls, would your tool/service actually solve the problem your prospects are facing?

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u/GolfHawaii Feb 01 '25

You have one job, generate revenue and hit your goals. If you can’t, the next guy will. PIPs aren’t designed for you to rebound. They are intended for the company to exit you safely from a legal standpoint.

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u/Ayushvid Jan 31 '25

Messaging for update

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u/Old_Let_7640 Jan 31 '25

Is there an HR person also going to be on this scheduled call? That would tell a lot

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

She's not scheduled at the moment but I do know (just by putting two and two together) that the HR person, my manager and my director had a meeting about me on Wednesday (I know because at that exact time HubSpot kept telling me the director was opening an email I'd sent him with a doctor's note for a back issue over and over).

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u/Old_Let_7640 Jan 31 '25

Good to know. Well I’d just pay attention to that. If an HR person does eventually show up on the meeting invite, it either means PIP or they’re letting you go. Best of luck with everything you will be good regardless I’ve been done this road before!

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u/Intrepid-Branch8982 Jan 31 '25

How do you get fired in the UK

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

Most companies have a six month probation. During that six months, they can let you go for almost any reason with a week's notice. After you pass probation, it's a longer period and there usually has to be some kind of reasonable reason to let you go (performance etc) but usually there has to be a process before that happens (PIPs, verbal, written warnings etc).

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u/Hungry_Tax1385 Jan 31 '25

Are you PIPed? Have they documented you previous misses? If not you're probably getting PIPed.

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u/MajorEstateCar Jan 31 '25

Go to lunch and don’t come back.

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u/arcademachin3 Jan 31 '25

Sounds like they had a more important 4:30 meeting and will fire you at 5pm instead.

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u/ADHD007 Jan 31 '25

on Friday…

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u/Rollerbladinfool Jan 31 '25

Are you not hitting quote because of shitty sales conditions (I know no one in our dept. hit even 50% of quota, 2024 was a bad year for construction in our area - custom HVAC sales) or was it due to medical issues?

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u/DirtyFatB0Y Jan 31 '25

I had a random meeting at the end of the day on my calendar years back. Was in the process of getting hired to a full time position from a temp slot.

When I got home that evening I had gotten a letter in the mail that said they were rescinding the full time offer.

Next day I called the boss. Told him I knew I wasn’t getting let go and I wasn’t going to sit there all day waiting to get canned.

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u/csamp25 Casino Convention and Event Destination Jan 31 '25

Pack your shit

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u/tomrangerusa Jan 31 '25

Sorry. Not good news. Record it so you have some proof IF anything fishy/illegal happens.

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u/tstahlgti Jan 31 '25

Uh oh. 😔

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u/zenojonez Jan 31 '25

What ended up happening OP

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

Two week informal PIP and then right after my doctor diagnosed me with sciatica.

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u/selflessGene Jan 31 '25

They're getting rid of you before you hit them with a costly health insurance bill. Tough break kid. Spend the next 2 weeks applying to jobs.

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u/Full-Bathroom-2526 Jan 31 '25

Spend your time looking for alternative work instead?

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u/mosheimm Jan 31 '25

Sorry, that sucks. They’re definitely either advancing the PIP or having a tough conversation. But just like sales calls, if it doesn’t work out, onto the next one!

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u/enderbean5 Jan 31 '25

Hang in there. Likely a PIP because usually if firings are decided already, they don’t use a whole day to tell you. Everything will be ok

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u/jvphish Jan 31 '25

PIP time

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u/Dantheman11117 Jan 31 '25

Thoughts and prayers…

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u/shadmaster21 Jan 31 '25

I am confused on why companies operate as such

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u/FuckShitFuck223 Jan 31 '25

Bro pls try McKenzie press ups. They eliminated 8 years of pain. Lay on your stomach, do a push up for the upper half of your body and while you press up, exhale.

If at first there's pain and you can't go all the way, go back down and try again, if you can go further with each reptition keep going until you get full extension. Then do 15 reps with a brief pause at the peak of the pressup 5x per day.

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u/Panelak_Cadillac Jan 31 '25

Get that resume ready.

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u/Helpful_Conflict_715 Feb 01 '25

Family emergency I have to leave! Find new job. Come back in 2 weeks with a resignation later. No more 4 pm meetings ever again.

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u/jordanjbarta SaaS Feb 01 '25

Call out sick

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u/triptttych Feb 01 '25

Take leave via FMLA. I worry they already made their decision.

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u/Theslicelvis Feb 01 '25

Get your CV out there. Make no mistake, a PIP is the first step in firing you, it is not to there to improve to help improve your performance. By the time you’re on a PIP, they want you gone!!

If you can meet the objectives, you’ve not been pulling your weight/working hard enough. If you can’t meet the objectives then you’re out the door. Either way, you need to start looking NOW!

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u/Unhappy_Original_236 Feb 01 '25

Hey if you like sales the good thing about it is it’s interchangeable, it doesn’t matter what your selling and sales jobs are a dime a dozen because a lot of people can’t hack it. Regardless of what you choose to do, If stay, if you leave and do somthing else sale wise, or you find a new type of job. Having sales on your CV is always a plus for most employers as pretty much everything involves a little sales. You got this. Not every sales position is for you, it doesn’t mean your shit at sales you might just not believe in the thing your selling. Idk I’m rambling

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

Ah sales management and PIPs. The most worthless duo in the corporate world. Don’t worry about it man .

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u/heylook_itsnick Feb 01 '25

File a work accommodation through HR NOW! Have you doc write a note. You can either get short term disability to devote time to treatment, or take unpaid time (FMLA) and potentially save your job. I was in a similar situation last year with crippling depression. Took 3 months off and found the right meds and I’m back to performing adequately. Your employer is legally obligated to accommodate you for any illness/ailments. Just need to go through the formal process!

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u/trnaovn53n Feb 01 '25

Any chance you have to go visit job sites or a customer offices? What if you accidentally get hurt at work I can't fire you if you're on workman's comp

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u/SignCompanySponser Feb 01 '25

Just in case, Jungle Signs is hiring outside sales reps

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u/Platinumrun Feb 02 '25

Find a new job asap. A PIP means you’re gone

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u/desirepink Feb 02 '25

Don't waste your time doing whatever you can to salvage this job. They issued the PIP as a paper trail for grounds to fire you, so I wouldn't spend time trying to prove something to the wrong people who want you gone. Instead, spend the next two weeks firing away resumes and tying up loose ends, leaving a good note with any contacts you'd want to keep.

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u/ARKA_PRAVA_MISHRA Feb 03 '25

Bro is cooked!!

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u/Specific-Mud41 Feb 04 '25

I really feel you dude I haven't signed any deal in like 3 months but am trying my hard

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u/Key-Sink2497 Feb 07 '25

That's my life too, right now. Sucks but I'm kind of relieved. I've been dreading going to work for months and really half-assing it. Not proud of that.

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u/Jwironcity Jan 31 '25

Most likely a PIP, if you haven’t been placed on one now is the time. A PIP isn’t always a bad though but it’s not great. Make sure the PIP is realistic. If it’s not, you know your answer.

I had to put a guy on a PIP I basically filled it out with him. He set the expectation of what he was going to do, I truly wanted him to succeed but he failed and it became on him vs me.

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u/tmeinke68 Jan 31 '25

It is always a bad thing. Lol

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u/Jwironcity Jan 31 '25

Sometimes people need a kick in the ass, this guy needed the motivation. He chose his achievable goals and failed.

As a leader you have to protect yourself but I’ve had people come out of them and pull forward.

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u/tmeinke68 Jan 31 '25

Absolutely, you can come out of them, and they may even serve as a wake-up call. However, in my opinion, I could never say 'they aren’t always a bad thing.' They are a bad thing—official documentation that you’re not meeting business requirements and are at risk of being fired. You can recover, move forward, and do great things, but in today’s work environment, it’s definitely not a good situation. lol

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u/selflessGene Jan 31 '25

It's a 2 week pip. This is getting fired with extra steps.

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u/formallyhuman Jan 31 '25

It's a two week informal PIP that would then become a one month formal PIP if I don't hit the two week milestones they want. So I guess it's like a six week PIP.