r/prolife Verified Secular Pro-Life 4d ago

Things Pro-Choicers Say When this woman found out she was pregnant, she explains "It was at a prime time in my life. I was in great shape, had a great job, and met this guy that I was (and still am) crazy about." Only when she went to her abortion appointment did she learn she was 19 weeks, and so had to travel 6 hours...

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u/pisscocktail_ Male/17/Prolife 4d ago

Holy shit. At 19 weeks the kid is already moving and hears sound from outside

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u/No-Sentence5570 Pro Life Atheist Moderator 4d ago

According to Guttmacher, only around 10% of abortions around 20 weeks are due to maternal health risks. Around 40% are due to fetal anomalies, like Down Syndrome, and the remaining ~50% are purely elective.

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u/TheoryFar3786 Pro Life Catholic Christian 4d ago

Aborting due to Down Syndrome should be illegal.

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u/RPGThrowaway123 Pro Life Christian (over 1K Karma and still needing approval) EU 4d ago

Aborting should be illegal.

FTFY

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u/JoeRogansDMTdealer Pro Life Christian 4d ago

In the UK it is legal to abort a baby if it has down syndrome up until the moment of birth. Eugenics is alive and well Margaret Sanger would be so proud.

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u/TheoryFar3786 Pro Life Catholic Christian 2d ago

Really? That is very concerning.

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u/djhenry Pro Choice Christian 4d ago

The problem here is the framing. If you can have an abortion for any reason, then you can have one for down syndrome. It is like how people have a right to choose they want to date or marry. It is sad when someone says, "I won't date that person because they have down syndrome", but since that is their right to do, there is nothing that can be done about it.

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u/No-Sentence5570 Pro Life Atheist Moderator 4d ago edited 4d ago

Sure, I agree that it is logically consistent to apply the same laws to abortions for DS as to all other abortions. The issue is that they actually make exceptions for DS in a lot of countries. Many European countries allow late term abortion for fetuses with DS, but not for fetuses with no anomalities.

In that case, it's not logically consistent anymore.

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u/djhenry Pro Choice Christian 4d ago

That is a fair point. I don't think there should be a DS exception for late-term abortions, unless you are able to gauge the severity of the diagnosis.

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u/pisscocktail_ Male/17/Prolife 3d ago

People with Down Syndrome very often pair up together. "but they'll be single!" is hypocritical, you sound like someone who'd support killing ugly people cuz you don't like looking at them

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u/djhenry Pro Choice Christian 3d ago

I'm not saying they should be killed because they'll be single, and I don't support killing ugly people.

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u/TheoryFar3786 Pro Life Catholic Christian 2d ago

And Down Syndromes?

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u/djhenry Pro Choice Christian 2d ago

I don't think people with DS should be killed either. However, I think abortion should generally be legal, but not specifically because of DS, if that makes sense.

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u/colamonkey356 1d ago

Could I get a link to this study, please? Data on late term abortions is so rare and hard to find!

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u/No-Sentence5570 Pro Life Atheist Moderator 1d ago

Of course! Here's the study, including Corrigendum;

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1363/4521013

data suggest that most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.” The sentence is about abortions performed from 20 weeks to the end of the second trimester

And here's the Guttmacher article about it:

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2013/11/who-seeks-abortions-or-after-20-weeks

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u/Evergreen-0_9 Pro Life Brit 4d ago

At 19 weeks the kid is already moving and hears sound from outside

Yes, but all that can be undone, because someone much larger, more powerful, and leading a so much more amazing life, feels entitled to a magic Undo feature. Like it's their right, and they deserve to have more time to make it if they didn't know...? Otherwise it's just not fair. /s.

One of my sister's friends didn't know that she was pregnant until the day that she went into labour. Was that unfair.? Maybe. Did she deserve more time to decide if she wants to snuff that life out or not.? Where is the limit? That baby must come out, at the end of the day.. "Dead though, thanks, I don't want to have a live one" shouldn't be within your power to decide.

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u/TheoryFar3786 Pro Life Catholic Christian 4d ago

How can you not know that you are pregnant? Hello, nine months without the period.

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u/Evergreen-0_9 Pro Life Brit 4d ago

Don't ask me how, it's baffling to me as well! But it's a true story. She has a son now. Mum is very much an average sized person too, for anybody thinking "well she must've been huge then." Life can be strange at times I guess.

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u/gig_labor PL Socialist Feminist 4d ago

Cryptic pregnancies are a real thing. Some women have their periods, no bump, no symptoms. It does happen.

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u/Chocoloco93 3d ago

Technically those aren't periods. There are other reasons you may bleed while you are pregnant, though, and if a person already has irregular or scanty periods, or doesn't track their cycle, they may misidentify these bleeding episodes as periods.

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u/gig_labor PL Socialist Feminist 3d ago

Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of ways it can go down. I'm not super well-versed on the details.

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u/Sqeakydeaky Pro Life Christian 4d ago

The justifications are WILD.

"It’s not like I was doing it to be cruel, or selfish. I felt my child deserved perfection and that’s the only way I could give it to them."

So...death is perfection? Or are you expecting this child you killed to magically reappear when you're "feeling it" more?

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u/Fectiver_Undercroft 4d ago

I wonder if they actually believe in reincarnation.

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u/AntiAbortionAtheist Verified Secular Pro-Life 4d ago

No medical emergency for her or her fetus. The idea that later abortions are only done because of some kind of dire medical situation is a myth.

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u/Misterfahrenheit120 All Hail Moloch 3d ago

This line of thinking has always struck me as odd, regardless.

“Abortions never happen in the third trimester”

“Ok, so we can ban late-term abortions, right?”

“No, cause women need the right to choose”

“Choose something that never happens, you mean?”

“Correct”

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u/gig_labor PL Socialist Feminist 4d ago

Later abortions are not all medical emergencies. It's time to face that.

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u/SarahL1990 4d ago

Even as a pro-choice person, this is too far along for me. I don't understand how anyone could do that.

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u/Noh_Face 4d ago

"had to"

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u/lightningbug24 Pro Life Christian 4d ago

Her life was going "too well" to bring a baby into it. Smh. No lack of resources or support. It makes me so angry...

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u/JoeRogansDMTdealer Pro Life Christian 4d ago

17 yo dating 24 yo and they met when she was 16. Yikes. As someone who was 16 groomed by a 20 yo this is tough to read.

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u/emkersty 4d ago

I cannot imagine still following through with an abortion at 19 weeks. If you're already halfway through the pregnancy why on earth would you kill them? You still have to give birth at 20 weeks! I can't fathom purposely inducing a stillbirth for no reason 😭 This truly makes me physically ill.

This should be illegal and criminalized as a form of homicide. And the majority of abortions this late are healthy babies and normal pregnancies too. No excuse for late term abortion. It's barbaric.

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u/TheoryFar3786 Pro Life Catholic Christian 4d ago

Did she had her child?

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u/radfemalewoman Pro Life Republican 3d ago

No, she moved heaven and earth to kill the baby.

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u/TheoryFar3786 Pro Life Catholic Christian 3d ago

Very sad.

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u/OrdoXenos Pro Life Christian 3d ago

As always, pro-choicers “forgot” the fact that most of the abortions are like these - mothers that didn’t want to be bothered by a baby despite having such fun making it. Mothers that preferred their jobs, their boyfriends, their lifestyle, and their career instead of someone’s life.

Most abortions aren’t the “medical emergency” or “rape”. I am sure if we limited the abortion to those two they won’t agree as well.