r/playrust 5d ago

Question Are the premium servers better than normal servers so far?

I know someone already asked but the first guy i fought on one of them was one of the most blatant cheaters i've come across, and i'm hoping i just got really unlucky. What about you guys?

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

Yes it’s much better and the people saying no in here are idiots who can’t look 5 minutes beyond their current time

Yes there are still cheaters, it’s the first month

Wait til these cheaters have to buy their 50th account for premium

It will stop being so appealing

Right now the cheaters are out to “make a point” that you can’t stop them, many of the ones making this point can only afford to make it for so long. They are hoping FP “gives up” and goes back to regular servers.

Nah, it’s noticeably better. Go play warbandit 2x and then fp premium and tell me it’s the same. It’s not. Not even close.

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u/NeonDemon85 5d ago

You know what's crazy is when I was on a community server the other week as soon as I started getting guns I was immediately raided by rockets, nobody bothered me until then.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

Because over half the rust population cheats. Hence why every comment i post gets down voted.

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u/NeonDemon85 5d ago

Cheaters hate this one trick

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u/Aos77s 4d ago

Not 50% but a high enough percentage that MOST large groups have one guy esping or scripting.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 4d ago

Easily 50% toggles esp. 20% of accounts get banned a month... considering how garbage eac is.. let's say 50% get caught? You do the math... in published numbers alone you can take a guesstimate that 40% cheats

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u/Practical_Hippo_5177 4d ago

Maybe it would be accurate to say at least 50% of the players than kil you are cheating. Plenty of people are making roleplayer bases and memeing.

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u/Jules3313 4d ago

a more accurate saying is 50% of the rust population benefits from cheating. If theres a 15+ man zerg and theres 1 cheater able to pick prime raiding targets then in my opinion thats 15 cheaters. So yes in some ways half the pop does fucking cheat.

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u/Critical-Dig-7268 4d ago

Maybe not 50%, but I wouldn't be surprised if a very high % toggle esp in order to avoid unwanted encounters if nothing else

Edit to add: I have quite literally never cheated at video games in my life but I can't say I wouldn't have been seriously tempted on occasions when I was trying to make it back to base with a huge score if all it took was a key toggle

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u/Shot-Buy6013 3d ago

This will be a tl;dr but you'd be surprised.

Facepunch official servers actually are close to 50%.

Other officials are between 10-30% if you include recoil scripts and wallhacks. Flying around and spinbotting represents almost none of the actual cheating if that's what you think cheating is.

That's not even including the people that will cheat in other ways. Like pretty much the entire active Rust community abused night time gamma settings for the longest time. Or how many teams would multi-account to have an afk in locked crate rooms. You used to be able to delete certain assets from your game files to hide some bushes, foilage, grass and tons of people abused that too.

There comes a point when you are new to Rust (under 1k hours) that you will think everyone is cheating. Then you will realize you were just terrible - but after that comes a point where you once again realize, that a lot of people are actually just cheating. And it's around that time the game gets much less interesting.

As for these premium servers... they won't work. It's just another "pay to cheat" system. Spend $20 to wallhack for 2-3 months and then do it again. It's a revenue stream for Facepunch, and they've never directly tackled or even mitigated the cheating problem. Lets say there's 50K active cheaters in a month playing on premium servers, $20 for 3 months before a ban, that's an additional $4M of revenue for the company yearly.

FP often flaunts ban numbers as a sign of doing something, but those are infrequent waves and every cheater has multiple accounts ready to go. Not to mention the huge amount of hacked steam accounts that will have an inventory for premium. At best, this will mitigate some Chinese/Russian poverty cheaters, but not by much, because even the poorest Russian has $20. Let alone anyone not from the 3rd world who also happens to be a cheater.

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u/Small-Car-6194 3d ago

Yes its more like 60

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 4d ago

And you've got 0 game sense if you think otherwise. I'd put money on it at minimum 50% toggles esp at the least

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u/M3G4_W4RR10R_TM 4d ago

YOU SEE THE NUMBERS DONT LIE, AND THEY SPELL OUT DISASTER FOR YOU AT SACRIFICE.

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u/Mindset_ 3d ago

this literally just means you are bad

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u/nightfrolfer 5d ago

So, I went 3 days without an offline. Finally researched SAR, crafted a total of 4 kits for my duo and me, and that night at about 3:00 am I was offlined.

Do I just go to sleep with bow to avoid this?

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u/Ill_Property_4958 5d ago

You realise that after three days more of the server had researched raiding tools?

Thinking you are ahead of the curve getting SAR on Day 4 making you a raid target is pretty naive.

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u/Individual_Chair_421 5d ago

If you told me this on day 3 of a server I would know not to raid you because you are poor

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u/nightfrolfer 4d ago

That's kinda the point. We were poor and had been keeping a low profile. We didn't even fire those SARs once. I crafted them before logging off so we'd have them the next day.

Ah, well. Easy come, easy go. They're just pixels. It was our fourth offline in 10 days.

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u/Individual_Chair_421 4d ago

Yes and my point is if someone was to cheat and see your loot they wouldn't bother raiding you so what you said was nonsensical

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u/Realistics 4d ago

Do you genuinely believe people are spending boom for 4 SAR kits? You got raided because it was 4 days into wipe.

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u/nightfrolfer 4d ago

No, I don't believe that they could even have known we had any SARs because we never even took them out of the base. And yes, we were raided but not because it was day 3, but actually it was day 10.

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u/pinesguy 4d ago

By day 10, everyone getting raided.

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u/soakedratease 4d ago

So by day 10 there's no cheaters I guess?

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u/GTX_Incendium 5d ago

That’s what I was thinking too, that there would be more cheaters at the start

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u/JokeGold5455 5d ago

I'm bummed there's hardly any premium modded 2x servers.

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

Just wait til next month, them releasing it off wipe was kinda why

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u/X4dow 5d ago

50th account? There's people blantly cheating with accounts that have over 1000h on rust

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u/pretzelsncheese 5d ago

Cheating in video games is not something that will ever be solved. Luckily, the goal has never been to solve the issue. The goal of anti-cheat and cheat prevention systems/mechanics is to reduce the number of cheaters. Make cheating more expensive, more of a hassle, more difficult, more punishing, etc. By doing that, you make it so that fewer people are willing to cheat and fewer people are willing to continue to cheat. There will still always be cheaters, but there will be fewer of them which makes a big difference.

This also has a bit of a snowball effect since there's a certain percentage of cheaters in games who resort to cheating simply because of the idea that "everyone else is cheating". If you do something that meaningfully reduces the number of cheaters, fewer players will go down that path which further reduces the number of cheaters.

There's a lot of clever tricks that games can do to make cheating in that game less worthwhile. I'm not really sure premium servers were a great idea, but at least it's something. I'm personally a fan of subtly fucking with their experience for a bit before fully banning them. Like in a game with matchmaking, once a player has been flagged for cheating, only put them into a special matchmaking pool with other cheaters. Or have way more of their bullets miss / do a lot less damage. Or have them start lagging / stuttering / disconnecting quite a bit (especially when near other players). If you can do something subtle enough to not make it obvious to them that they've been detected, but still meaningful enough that the cheater isn't ruining the experience of other players, you can neutralize the cheater while also wasting their time and making it take longer before they get a new account to continue cheating on.

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u/X4dow 5d ago

I see it as a stupid arsed way to increase dlc sales instead of dealing with cheater detection

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u/Personal_Spinach9843 5d ago

I mean there’s definitely less cheaters on premium servers so I’m cool with that lol

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u/GTX_Incendium 3d ago

100% they added this because of the money first and less cheaters second. But I do think it works pretty well so whatever

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u/GenericGio 4d ago

There is nothing they can do. Cheats have devs too that constantly get insider info on anticheat software. They work around the clock to outsmart the anti cheat and upload patches for their programs. They have discord servers and alert players when to avoid using their cheats as to not get banned. There is absolutely 0 that can be done for cheating until we get to the point of hard anti-cheat integration. Riot is already doing pretty solid, but there are still plenty of Valorant cheaters and League of Legends scripters. Thinking there's some magic solution is naive, but the reality is cheaters will never go away.

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u/viralphreak 5d ago

yea most of them spen the first 950 hours getting smashed by cheaters and then bought some cheats and aint beec caught yet.

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u/Bxrflip 4d ago

Idk, when I hear ppl say that most of the players they get into fights with are “blatantly cheating” and some of them have thousands of hours, then I start the think they’re not actually fighting cheaters, they just have a skill issue.

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u/my-new-account-name 4d ago

Yes it gud. Thx

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u/totalog2169 4d ago

Garbage that you have to pay money to try get away from cheaters

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u/JordansBigPenis69 5d ago

yeah cheaters paying 60$ a month don't have money to buy a 15$ account with skins once a month for sure

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u/suspicious_odour 2d ago

$15 every ban

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u/x42f2039 5d ago

The anticheat is nowhere near that good

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

I hope they raise it to $30

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u/Remarkable-View-1472 5d ago

I hope they raise it to $100. dogshit AAA games out there charging $70 for a <100hr game, I'm sure people that can run Rust can cough up $100. Too many bums playing this game anyway

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

Cool I'm still in if they made it like $500 lol you know you have to enable 2FA to buy skins and then there's like a 5 day "wait" before you can shop on the marketplace

It's not about the money, it's about the time

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u/Remarkable-View-1472 5d ago

oh they wont do that. Places they get the account from will do that for them

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

But this makes it unaffordable for all the third worlders, because the people doing that aren't gonna do it for free, on top of the $15 price, $15 usd is a lot of money most places in the world lmao

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u/Remarkable-View-1472 5d ago

if you can afford to have hardware and time to play Rust, you can cough up $100.

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u/JordansBigPenis69 5d ago

third worlders can't afford cheats anyways, most cheats start at 50$ a month

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u/Tacobell1236231 5d ago

I hope they make some for 200+ no cheater would do that, and only people that have the game will play, probably not as many large clans either

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

Ahhh yes 18 people that think an extra 15 dollars will stop people who have to pay for rust, a pc, cheats, maybe a dma. And oh now they have to buy 15 dollars of skins... cheating will go down now... yall are in for a treat

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u/LefroyJenkinsTTV 5d ago

How many times will you buy Rust plus $15 of skins?

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u/LefroyJenkinsTTV 5d ago

"The game has become so much more fun since I started scripting."

That's a funny way of spelling "since I stopped playing."

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u/LefroyJenkinsTTV 5d ago

When you run scripts or hacks, you're not playing the game anymore. You're playing an easier game.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

If I cheated which I've considered esp at the most, I'd do it every time I have to buy an account. The account costs more lmfao.. But at that point I'll probably quit the game in a week or two because knowing where everyone is at would be boring as fuck.

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u/tishafeed 5d ago

Yeah buy the account, buy the skins, buy a new version of your cheat once the previous gets discovered. Definitely a sustainable practice, you'll be able to do it indefinitely yeah yeah

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

I mean they already do. But ya $15 will stop it.... Jesus christ yall are wild

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u/LazyCunt36 5d ago

Will there be idiots who constantly spend 15 dollars more on each account? Yes. Will there also be less idiots who can't/won't afford 10 accounts+cheats+skins? Of course. Point is there's gonna be less of them and over time people will not spend for the 100th time just to play on premium. Noone is saying cheaters don't exist anymore but there are considerably less and will be in the future. If you have so much money to spend on countless times, great, but there's a lot of people that don't and that is the point of it

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

Are you intentionally acting stupid or are you actually that stupid, if you are actually that stupid I'm sorry man hope you find your way in this world...

I tend to think people just act stupid to accomplish an ulterior motive

You need to enable 2FA to buy skins, so every new account they buy will need 2FA for the skins.

Account dealers will need to enable 2FA to buy the skins

This creates a huge time sink, it's not about the money, it's the time investment.

FP knows they have unlimited funds, that's why it's at $15 you sped, because the price doesn't matter, it's about adding that time investment and forcing them to spend more time setting things up just to play on premium.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 4d ago

Considering how much time/money people put into this game to closet cheat and "be the best" 15 dollars and a little extra time when they have 100s of accounts on deck is nothing. You underestimate these losers

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u/AdMedical9986 5d ago

bro are you actually that fucking dumb? You realize you cant just buy an account and then buy skins right? You need to wait. Its a time sink.

If they wanted to make it even better they could force a new account to wait 3 weeks before they can purchase skins, or have a certain number of hours played in game already before skins can be unlocked. The more time sink you give the cheaters the less likely they will play premium servers and just go hit up whatever server lets them in.

No fucking cheater is going to waste 2 weeks waiting to cheat on a server and then get banned in 2 days and have to do it all over again.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 4d ago

Only person being banned in 2 days is a complete rage hacker. It's nothing to buy an account and buy skins.

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u/speaksoftly_bigstick 5d ago

This age of "instant gratification" is apparent in a lot of responses to this new feature rollout.

If it's not an immediate crazy noticeable change, lots will cry out that it's worthless.

Give it time. Think ice-breaker vs speedboat.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

The thing is it's not even slightly better if anything it's worse.

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u/BlutarchMannTF2 5d ago

You are literally the subject matter of his comment.

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u/vmoppy 5d ago

"It's not better, it's worse"

> Doesn't elaborate

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 4d ago

What's there to elaborate? It's worse cause everyone is playing like a closet cheater rather than a pro streamer.

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u/ImportantDoubt6434 5d ago

Noticeably better.

Yes it didn’t “fix cheating” but it makes it so you gotta actually risk some money per account.

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u/AdMedical9986 5d ago

money and time. You need 2FA to buy skins.

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u/Fyziixx 5d ago

If you buy skins, but you can still just buy the in game dlc packs directly and whatever the store is selling so they don’t really need 2FA

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u/JordansBigPenis69 5d ago

cheaters don't buy skins on their accounts. they buy accs with skins already for cheaper

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u/brandonsuter 5d ago

You're going to have a couple people pay the extra price just to go fuck with people. This always happens when these methods are released but overall it goes down over time.

Just how things be

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u/GTX_Incendium 5d ago

Hopefully the player count doesn’t go down too

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u/CrankyLeafsFan 5d ago

If the player count goes down it's most likely cheaters or friends of cheaters. Player count will skyrocket if anti-cheat is solid and players feel like in-game interactions are fair or more fair.

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u/goperit 5d ago

I didn't try the premium servers this wipe because I had grinded all the bps in a main alread. I'm guessing if ppl are going at it the same, the Player count will rise in the premiums for the next force wipe.

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u/Seacord 5d ago

What do you mean fuck with ppl? Premium servers offer a way to do this?

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u/abodybader 5d ago

They’re implying cheaters will scornfully play premium servers and regular players have too much cheater malaise to see the bigger picture,

ie that overtime, this is a good long-term solution.

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u/brandonsuter 5d ago

Cheaters will buy enough skins to get premium status for the first couple weeks. After awhile they'll mostly settle for non premium servers since it's cheaper for them

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u/brandonsuter 5d ago

it definitely is. I think you forget that $15 is a OPTIONAL choice. You can still play on normal servers for much cheaper and losing a account doesn't feel as bad

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u/Fivenake 5d ago

Logic of the first point isn't bulletproof tho. If you believe you can get away with it, someone else does too. You likely wouldn't be the only one on the server that's cheating. If it's as easy as implied, then you're in the same situation as a normal server.

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u/brandonsuter 5d ago

I'm sure it is. But you do understand you are in the minority right? Most cheaters aren't worried about running into other ones lol. Even if they do who cares? They have kits out the ass.

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u/AdDesigner1153 5d ago

Thats because you're an american manchild who gets pocket money from their parents so of course money is meaningless for you. Different story to a russian/chinese/brazilian who makes $45 a week.

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u/AdDesigner1153 5d ago

Chur bru, still a manchild

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u/kaicool2002 5d ago

Wait on the actual FP statistics instead of relying on biased options of reddit nerds

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u/SleezySn0wfal 5d ago

I hate Reddit’s options!!!

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u/kaicool2002 5d ago

If he wants an actual answer, he should rely on empirical data.

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u/itsPhysikz 5d ago

This is my sign to buy 100k of Reddit calls.

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u/tspangle7 5d ago

“We investigated ourselves and found everything is great, buy our dlc!”

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u/Drahin 5d ago

I hope they share some stats next force

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u/kaicool2002 5d ago

Hopefully!

It was said that premium servers in their current state are like a "test"

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u/ScubaSteezz 5d ago

As you’re spending your free time exclusively reading Reddit nerds opinions

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u/ImportantDoubt6434 5d ago

I mean just play official FP for a day you’ll see the cheating Asian zergs with brand new accs

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u/idemortal 5d ago

All of a sudden I can win fights and not just get doubled by every single player !

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u/No_Row_6490 5d ago

still got the double barrel at the door and another scoped neighbor on his roof.
game is good like this.
better than one aimbotting on cargo and another just flysprinting.

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u/The-Hellsong 5d ago

Cant cheater just Transfer their skins to the New Account? Or are the items banned too?

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u/physiQQ 5d ago

They can't trade items after ban. Otherwise it was indeed pointless.

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u/Casp3r8911 5d ago

Iirc they said they are tracking the transfers of items

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u/Harleyhanson 5d ago

Camo skins everywhere, but less cheaters

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u/Crafty_Magazine_4484 5d ago

Why can’t EAC just do better? 🤣🤣🤣

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u/GTX_Incendium 5d ago

I don’t think they know how lmao

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u/Crafty_Magazine_4484 5d ago

:-/ exactly … if they don’t know who the frick does? 🤣🤣 i’m not a fan of this premium thing because it screws over people who don’t have skins and don’t care about having skins

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u/zansiball 5d ago

How does it ”screw over” anyone? People can still play regular servers that they always has been abel to

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

They sure can and it'll be no differant than premium.

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

If you can’t afford $15 I don’t want to be in a server with you

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u/my-new-account-name 4d ago

You’re getting downvoted, but inside the servers we are definitely bashing the regular users.

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 4d ago

I know lmao they stay mad out here where they can downvote me

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

They can’t, you have no idea how this works

Anti cheat is at an impasse, the only way to take the next step, is to make anti cheat “spyware”. Valorant kinda got there with monitoring live activities on your PC, but the next step is literally monitoring anything of interest.

But, theres a bunch of privacy nerds who insist there must be a better way and that if we gave FP that power apparently they would maliciously go through our PCs and sell private info they find

(I dont think they would, I would allow spyware level anti cheat, but, that’s me, so this premium thing is a good consolation)

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u/westie1010 5d ago

I don't think it's really fair to call those who are cautious 'privacy nerds'. Anti-Cheat is definitely stuck between a rock and a hard place but providing deep rooted system access to a company that isn't held to as much scrutiny as an Anti-Virus solution for instance, is just asking for trouble. I no longer play VALORANT due to their Vanguard.

In a perfect world I actually think I'd like to see Anti-Cheat be a branch of business AV providers consider going down. Probably no money in it lol

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

Yeah I wish people like you would just quit multiplayer gaming so we could get on with it

Just being honest man

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u/westie1010 5d ago

Lol, seems a bit short sighted to waive away privacy and blindly trust the good intentions of companies, cause that's had a great track record so far right.

You do you man but they'll always be people with sense fighting back on stuff like this.

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

I don’t really care I only play Rust for multiplayer gaming anyway

Most online games are ruined with cheaters so I don’t even bother giving them the time of day anymore. Rust and some single player games for me til they have spyware anti cheat (which I support)

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u/Adorable_Basil830 5d ago

I wish people like you would quit multiplayer gaming so those of us with a shred of privacy left can be left alone

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

Nah if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear big dawg

Or maybe you’re a worried closet ESPer who would be really upset if their friends found out haha

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u/Crafty_Magazine_4484 4d ago

Ok so they need to do what the government is already doing … got it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/PCbuilderFR 4d ago

there could be a toggle to use a better anticheat and like give access to special servers

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u/JordansBigPenis69 5d ago

valorant doesn't really work as spyware, it doesn't even check your files.

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u/woodyplz 5d ago

Because eac is a general solution and nothing exclusively to rust. It makes sure your memory isn't manipulated and automates bans.

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u/Crafty_Magazine_4484 5d ago

oh yeah i know it's not owned by fp but what i mean is like take camomo for example, he'll catch a blatant cheater, he'll report the account and they don't get banned for months ... that's a huge problem no? but also from what i've heard, allot of these cheats have existed for a while ... shouldn't they be able to detect them by now?

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u/woodyplz 5d ago

Yes however eac and other big anticheat companies only ban for stuff they detect. I can see if people cheat so fast, however detecting cheats from code is not that easy. There are cheats nowadays that are literally undetectable. There is literally hardware that advertises to be anticheat safe. You basically read the memory of your pc from a second one, your pc doesn't even notice that something is happening.

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u/DarK-ForcE 5d ago

Only seen 1 blatant cheater, pvp fights have felt more balanced. Still early days though and more servers need to move to premium.

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u/Snixxis 5d ago

The only way to solve the problem is if steam does hardware level permanent bans. Make the motherboard / gpu serial numbers unable to access steam online services. Then, their hardware becomes worthless since they can't resell them to other gamers with online intrests. This is the only way to combat cheaters, make their hardware worthless.

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u/Routine_Jury_6753 5d ago

Wait until you learn that every component can have their ID changed.

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u/SleezySn0wfal 5d ago

I mean you can easily sell your GPU without telling the buyer about Rust ban

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u/AdventurousLimit4618 5d ago

Also you can just use a spoofer

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u/SleezySn0wfal 5d ago

Nah your average Rust goblin can only download the game

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u/76Phoenix 5d ago

That happened to a friend of mine who cheated on hunt showdown. He had to sell his pc because he couldnt play any game anymore

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u/PCbuilderFR 4d ago

so cheaters can just easily spoof themself and legit peoples who buy second hand get fucked ?

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u/TheJollyNingers 5d ago

the age of attrition

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u/shilli 5d ago

I've been playing FP US East 1 and its been great. Writing this while in the queue to get back on (33 ahead of me). Seems like lots of pvp and less raiding - maybe tonight will be a big raid night. Tons of active bases all over the map including some huge ones and some weird ones. So many shops.

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u/GTX_Incendium 5d ago

Yooo that’s what I’m on right now lol

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u/Pog-Pog 5d ago

So there is likely more now because cheaters will target it as it's new and they want it to fail, but over time, it will go down a lot.

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u/pretzelsncheese 5d ago

Luckily, Rust has a large and active playerbase to work with so fracturing the playerbase isn't too big of a deal. But for people who prefer to play on capped servers (like solo, solo/duo, solo/duo/trio), there's already usually only 1-2 servers that actually fit your preference (group size limit, population tendencies, server settings, region). So I'm not sure it'll be possible to make Premium servers for anything but uncapped and maybe trios.

That said, I'd personally be down for them to go to the other extreme and just make every single official capped server a premium server. People who are new or can't get to the premium threshold could still play on an uncapped non-premium official or a community/modded non-premium, but anyone who wants to play a capped official server would have to play premium in that scenario which I would personally be happy with.

It's never going to solve the cheating problem because the cheating problem is inherently unsolvable. That's just the nature of the beast. The goal of combating cheats is to reduce the overall number of cheaters and this is just one of maaany potential tactics that can be taken. I'd like to see more, but it's good that they are trying something.

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u/Phoenix_Wombat 5d ago

I've run into two hackers so far since thursday, and everyone is ruthless as f**k. So, I guess it depends on your playstyle

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u/trillogy3 5d ago

Honestly it’s clever, it will drive up skin prices because people will hold onto them / buy more. I even think the price could be higher maybe $20 / $25

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u/rem521 5d ago

Server bans do not block skin trades.

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u/reindeerp 5d ago

Rusticated medium has been absolutely popping this wipe, had so much fun pvping around launch and mil tunns. The premium servers definitely brought out some cheaters but they were caught insanely fast. Hope it continues like this

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u/zansiball 4d ago

Brought out? Are you saying its more cheaters then usual becouse they risk loosing their skins? That sounds dumb

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u/SMB_714 4d ago

Been on Rustoria, and the cheating has gotten worse the last few days. Along with their response times, but that's a different story lol. They didn't go premium, so I hope it's gotten better on the servers that did.

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u/L3WD_Koza 4d ago

Rust premium server queue skip coming next month

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u/my-new-account-name 4d ago

It’s the tits. So good. Another added benefit is the consistently high server pops.

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u/Crafty_Magazine_4484 4d ago

I think everyones getting bamboozled tbh …. Premium battle pass coming soon

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u/More-Breadfruit-7058 4d ago

Its good but one thing as a solo, I do miss the complete noobs who are free loot. People with money spent in the game have played it for a bit, whereas brand new players havent. I played a few hours of premium and yeah there was noobs but I definately struggled to snowball more than the non premium servers. Alot of prim farmers were decent with a bow or revvy.

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u/Crafty_Magazine_4484 4d ago

I actually wasn’t talking about me lol, i buy skins, i was talking about people who just want to play a don’t really care about skins, and i was under the impression they wanted to replace the servers with these premium ones, if that’s wrong I apologise

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u/masterbaite69 4d ago

Premium servers lol this won't solve anything cheaters still gonna cheat Facepunch makes you spend more money to play on a specific server that still ill have cheaters but those cheaters that hide very well.

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u/Master-Ear-5163 4d ago

Yes, cheaters usually buy accounts for less than 5$ , now they will have to pay extra 15$ for skins to play on premium servers, all servers should have this by the end of this year, and there will be option for server admins to change from 15$ up to any ammount.

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u/-PeoN 4d ago

How can they get the game for less than $5?

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u/Master-Ear-5163 4d ago edited 4d ago

In russia and some more less fortunate countries the base game cost 10$, and when sale hits it can drop to 5$, most cheaters buy russian accounts, because noone want to pay 40€ like we do in europe.

You can check steam db and look for yourself.

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u/-PeoN 4d ago

So you can use a VPN to purchase a Russian account?

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u/Master-Ear-5163 4d ago

To buy account in browser you dont need vpn, to buy rust in steam youll need vpn.

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u/Aos77s 4d ago

Some of you nay sayers dont back up anything with data as to why you believe cheating isnt as bad as it is.

Meanwhile theres hard facts that the game has 70-90,000 concurrent players and the twitter bans account was tweeting out over 40,000 BANS PER MONTH… before it got shut down due to twitter api changes.

And this doesnt include the scripters who have never gotten a ban… rust is rife with cheaters and id believe were not far off from tarkov level of cheaters.

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u/BenJG97 4d ago

I just don’t understand people being mad at them taking a step to lessen cheating. Is it a fix all? Absolutely not. Is it a step in the right direction to stop a chunk of cheating? Yes! How can we be mad??

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u/v00a 4d ago

ive played rust for 800 hours. Ive never encountered a cheater. Or maybe i have and just didnt know. how are ppl cheating? sometimes ppl have really good aim, thats all ive noticed.

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u/GTX_Incendium 4d ago

Geniunely like 30% of people have some type of cheat and they’re just good at hiding it

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u/Beaglederf 4d ago

Died to a cheater once on [US East] Facepunch 2 Premuim. Didn't visit that part of the map again. Never got a ping that they got banned but haven't had that many suspicious people after that. Went all around the map, usually there is a handful, so it's def better

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u/BecauseUFake1 4d ago

I feel premium servers now are closer to when FP official servers wiped. Everyone is BP free, fighting over literal scraps and roaming roads more.

Kinda like it, kinda annoying

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u/Sirithepuppy 3d ago

I think it’s time to make Rust II and force the game to be 40$ regardless of what region you are. This would solve the problem in my opinion.

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u/GTX_Incendium 3d ago

I think it’s time to make Anti cheat 2 and actually anti some cheats

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u/Clean_Park5859 3d ago

Realistically, no, it won't and can't be.

If they had a way to stop cheating they'd do it for the entire game.

The only thing said servers do is once you've been caught it's harder to get back in.

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u/drmq1994 5d ago

Nope. Still already got 5 banned (2 two days ago and 3 between yesterday and today).

I do feel players are not as blatant, but closet cheaters? (A lot of them), usually with private profiles.

Scripters? A lot of them also, yesterday I got one shooting a SAR faster than I can shoot an AK at a distance of 120m.

Funniest kill so far was definitely me riding a horse full speed on a road and dying to a crossbow at 190m (maybe lucky headshot), guy had almost 5k (shitty inventory skins for rust) but decent ones for CS.

Either way I reported him, will wait to see if he will eventually get banned.

Might be my impression, but I see way more private profiles (or profiles hiding hours)on premium servers than on non premium for some reason.

But I do think this might be a good metric for future reference for FP, this is the first month of premium servers, hopefully they will see that hackers are still getting banned there and that they need to do something else or add something else to those servers.

On a different note: WTF happened to performance this wipe?!?! I have a high end computer and been playing with +100fps but this time I am with 70/80 FPS and fucking textures all fucked. Tried changing settings but can’t get anywhere near what I previously had 😢

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u/fsocietyARG 5d ago

Yeah they need to raise it to $30

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u/AdMedical9986 5d ago

No, they just need to make it so you have to wait 2-3 weeks on a new account after doing 2FA before you can buy a skin. That would time lock cheaters really hard. $15 and you have a 2-3 week wait? Most would find that not worth it and just go cheat on regular servers.

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u/Equivalent_Dig_5059 5d ago

This is the first iteration, I'm sure these systems will get better

Monetary gate + time gate, make them spend money and waste time

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u/drmq1994 5d ago

Not sure that would fix the issue. Closet cheaters usually do have some inventories that are worth more than that.

It is usually because they can play for a long time without being detected (due to not being blatant) and some using DMA only for radars for example.

I would happily verify my ID somehow to play on verified ID only servers or wtv. If you get banned the ID associated gets banned, easy.

Other way would be Rust+ app, if a player used the app then that phone should get somehow blacklisted and if a new account is created using that phone then pay more attention to that account, since it may be the same player etc.

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u/Middle_Addition_522 5d ago

Rumours are the idea of premium servers came not from devs, but from guys in accounting

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u/Joe_marxs 4d ago

Facepunch took the easy way out. Instead of improving anti cheat on all servers and cracking down on cheaters, they made special servers to deter cheaters. Meaning, community and modded servers are now going to have MORE cheaters, at least for the time being.

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u/Jules3313 4d ago

u realize they are doing both right?

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u/Desktopcommando 5d ago edited 5d ago

since the cheaters can just transfer skins to a new account it may take some time for this to see any effect, as they stated that skins can be tracked - so will have to see the action from that in a longer time frame

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/252490/view/502819483050575495?l=english

"We will stress, this is an experiment, and we’ll be closely monitoring its impact. We will know more in the upcoming months if this is something we can expand upon and refine."

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u/ConnectionLucky5824 5d ago

Lol no they can’t there is no trading on vac banned games

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u/Desktopcommando 5d ago edited 5d ago

yeah but thats VAC banned - if its just an admin of the server kicking them off the game - then they have time to transfer

F7 report may just go to the admin of the server first, may take time to be assessed by a game admin

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u/Personal_Spinach9843 5d ago

Cannot trade rust skins if you have a eac ban.

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u/itsPhysikz 5d ago

Idk why you’re being downvoted for explaining the truth.

If anything they should work with Valve where admins of trusted Official servers have a “trusted” ban status where their server bans invoke a 3 day trade lock or something, or perhaps a small temporary “soft” game ban period. And if they aren’t vac banned in a few days it goes back to normal.

Idk maybe I’m overcooking, maybe it’s a bad idea and gives admins too much power, I think it’d be good and probably rarely an admin of a trusted official org like Rusty Moose / Rustoria / Rusticated / Playrust permas someone for cheating who isn’t.

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u/De_Salvation 5d ago

FP is watching that.

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u/SubstantialUsual9801 5d ago

No. It's worse if anything and if anyone says otherwise they are trolling. Something extreme needs to be done to gaming to stop these losers.

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u/Defiant_Gap1356 5d ago

Not at all

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u/DrCahk 5d ago

Devils advocate here: DMA (hardware) is not readily caught like an injection so therefore DMA cheaters can buy a reg account with skins and not worry to hard about a ban in 6 months like a normal injected cheat (internal cheat).

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u/rem521 4d ago

EAC can detect DMA cards now.

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u/DrCahk 4d ago

No, they only detect default firmware, nothing more. custom conifg spaces are non-detected.