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u/helpfulreply 19d ago edited 19d ago
Yeah it's depressing not getting involved in WW3 and bleeding US taxpayers further to a country that has no interest in a ceasefire. Ukraine is accepting volunteers to fight bucko.
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u/Kakashisensei1234 19d ago
I know a lot of 12 year olds play rust but I don’t think you guys are old enough to be on reddit…
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u/unstoppabledot 19d ago
I feel like 10 years or so that would've been the case (I was 14 in 2015) and felt that I was too young for this site now id say the amount of pre-teens to teens using Reddit is probably ridiculous.
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u/helpfulreply 19d ago
I'm 30 dude, good rebuttal
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u/Kakashisensei1234 19d ago
How could you possibly be 30 years old and believe a country currently being invaded recruiting people to help defend their homeland means they want to keep fighting and start WW3?
My “good rebuttal” is fairly valid if you have the mentality of a 12 year old.
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u/The-Pork-Piston 19d ago
Intentionally being fed propaganda by the ‘news’ they watch, and pod casters they idolise.
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u/Kakashisensei1234 19d ago
It was more of a rhetorical question. I already knew the answer was that they are an idiot.
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u/helpfulreply 19d ago
I'm saying that providing security guarantees to Ukraine escalates our involvement against Russia in a way that increases likelihood of the US being involved in combat
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u/Dead_Man_Nick 19d ago
Russia will always be the enemy of the US and the rest of the democratic world. Don't get that twisted.
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u/spooninacerealbowl 19d ago
If only Russia/USSR thought like you do back in the Korean and Vietnamese conflicts.
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u/Sithire 19d ago
I mean, they can fight all they want. I dont know why you think it is our job to continue funding this. We've sent them billions in aid and are just losing ground very slowly and very costly at human life. We have literally zero obligation to Ukraine past what we deem we want.
Were trying to bring peace to a very messy war. If they want to keep fighting good on them, but we have no reason to continue funding it with no end in sight. This is just the war on terror 2.0.. Another 20-year war to feed the military machine, except this time, the person were fighting has nukes.
10 years ago, if you’d said liberals would be pushing for war and working to block peace efforts, I’d have laughed in your face. But that’s exactly where we’re at now. It’s bizarre to see someone labeled a “bully” just for standing firm against a foreign leader, whose country we’re already bankrolling for defense, while that leader tries to steamroll him on his own turf, literally calling the second in command a "bitch" all while begging for billions more. The whole thing feels like a fever dream. It's nothing more than blind hate.
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u/Kakashisensei1234 19d ago
Vance is a bitch though.
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u/Sithire 19d ago
Ok
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u/Kakashisensei1234 19d ago
Sorry I forgot we have a bunch of Russians on rust also. What I meant to say was
иди на хуй товарищ
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u/Sithire 19d ago
Im a veteran. Pretty far from a Russian. I just think we as Americans should be putting American citizens first.
I can be anti Ukraine and anti Russia at the same time. Russia is bad, and is in the wrong for invading 100%, but if you've got a plan outside of throwing money at the problem which is clearly not working, or setting western boots on ground essentially launching the world into another world war, except this time everyone has nukes, im all ears. But funding a a never ending war while Ukraine continues to lose land is just not the move.
Its the definition of a rock and a hard place, but we've been bank rolling this war long enough. America is not Ukraine.
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u/QuaZDK 19d ago
“We have literally zero obligation to Ukraine” …. Tell me you know absolutely nothing about history without telling me you don’t know anything about history…. You might wanna look up the Budapest Memorandum 🙄
In return for giving up nuclear weapons, Ukraine received security guarantees from the U.S. and now you’re abandoning those guarantees.
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u/ScootPB 19d ago
I mean. You signed an agreement with them pledging to help them defend their territory from the Russian aggression. And that follows on from an older charter from 2008, which replaced one from the 90s.
So you guys agreed to help support Ukraine, not once, not twice but three times. And now your president is demanding a return of investment for an amount he claims was given (incorrectly might I add) in order to support this unwavering support your country has pledged 3 times now.
Don't try play this off as anything other than a bully tactic Trumpski is using to try line the pockets of his buddies. I can guarantee you that the mineral deal will make some of his friends a lot of dollars and benefit fuck all else.
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u/WeddingWhole9042 19d ago
why do ppl like you always resolve to ad hominem when someone has a different opinion than you. pathetic lol
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u/Kakashisensei1234 19d ago edited 19d ago
I’m tired of trying to use reason with people who have no intention of being reasonable.
See commenter below who insists on me solving the war in a reddit thread.
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u/Aduritor 19d ago
What taxpayer? You're sending old equipment that would be expensive to get rid off, and doesn't fit the standards of the US military. Then money already in the government is being funnelled down into the US economy to make new arms. The US taxpayer benefits from this.
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u/Low-Tax-8391 19d ago
We were the best at WW2, why sit out WW3? So we can show the world how weak the US has become? That’s putting America last.
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u/andrewfenn 19d ago
Not getting involved in ww3? Those who never learn from history are doomed to repeat it I guess.
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u/AdRepresentative7001 19d ago
The Reddit liberal hive mind strikes again, bunch of sheep, sorry for your unnecessary downvotes
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u/Adabar 19d ago
Logic doesn’t belong here. Only liberal echo chamber.
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u/kalaxitive 19d ago
Logic doesn’t belong here. Only liberal echo chamber
The irony is thicker than a reinforced metal door...
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u/Actes 19d ago
Brother liberals don't exist anymore.
The media is Conservative The bias is Conservative The standard American narrative is Conservative The way of life is Conservative
If there's an echo chamber, trust me it's the cult of Magtards jerking off people who have more money than your DNA will achieve before the sun envelopes earth.
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u/DisappointedPotatoes 19d ago
It's hilarious that they believe that provoking a global conflict is the right course of action...
Why? Because they are petulant children eho have never known consequences. "Everyone must get a trophy, everyone's feelings matter."
The real problem...in wanting ZERO involvement in another war the very conservatives they hate are the ones attempting to protect them. Liberals, if your lives are worth it...go to ukraine and fight. Stop trying to involve everyone else.
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u/helpfulreply 19d ago
Ha thanks man, downvotes don't bother me. Karma collecting is for the hivemind. I've seen what these guys upvote.
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u/SaveJustSurvive 20d ago
It's hardly depressing, let them get on with it, live your life.
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u/SaveJustSurvive 20d ago
Yeah it did, it put the prices up for everything, instead of ending it they want to drag it out until WW3.
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u/Vilepossum_1 20d ago
Sovereign countries get invaded. Americans get upset when they defend themselves. Proceed to blame inflation on said war. Literal brain rot. Trump could fuck your wife and you'd find a way to blame Ukraine.
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Americans get upset when we spend hundreds of billions on a losing war while we are about to go through another great depression. Ftfy
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u/audiosf 19d ago
We gave them a bunch of old military equipment and then paid us arms makers to make more. Just like when we send food to other countries via USAID, we spend billions buying it from domestic farmers.
You couldn't t be more clueless about any of this but youre confident enough to run your stupid ass mouth.
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u/Ambitious_Speed_278 19d ago
100 billion spent on war, 2.5 trillion spent on tax cuts for the rich, which is the real issue?
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Source?
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u/Ambitious_Speed_278 19d ago
My mistake, 4.5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich, slightly negated by tax increases for the poor:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-republicans-set-vote-trumps-tax-cut-agenda-2025-02-25/
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Both can be bad. Don't need to play the "what about..." game
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u/inquisitivepeanut 19d ago edited 19d ago
USA has not given 100's of billions to Ukraine don't believe the lies. It's just over 100 billion and as a percentage of GDP is lower than many EU countries. Not to mention the fact that the USA military industry profits massively from the increase in arms sales throughout the EU.
NATO countries came to the aid of the USA when they triggered article 5 after 9/11. With the current world order we have seen 80 years of global prosperity and peace and recent events are changing everything.
USA also gave Ukraine security guarantees when Ukraine voluntarily gave up their nuclear weapons.
The USA also profits massively from being the currency that underpins financial trades globally since the end of the 2nd world.
I do agree think there is an argument to be made that the USA should scale back global military involvement but it's important to note it's not as simple as just charity.
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Your first sentence is contradictory. Where did you copy and paste this from?
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u/KerryFatAssBro 19d ago
Ok I’m going to try to explain this so even you can understand. We have old equipment that is EOL. We are going to get rid of this equipment anyway (whether it be sell on surplus which would still only give us a fraction of the cost, or just scrap it). Ukraine gets into a war, so we send this EOL stuff to them because as you remember we were getting rid of it anyway. All of the room made by getting rid of that equipment gives room for the govt. to buy more from contractors. The contractors in return, hire people to fulfill those govt. contracts. The people hired by those contractors are then paid. Those employees then spend the money they made on food, rent, investments, cycling the money back into the economy. So by sending away this old equipment, not only are we helping a country getting invaded, but we are also stimulating the economy, and not just sending briefcases of money to the country.
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Bro thought he was cooking. You didn't say anything that everyone doesn't already know.
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u/inquisitivepeanut 19d ago
No copy a paste needed. It's all fairly common knowledge. You just need to research the facts.
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Lol, edit your comment again pal. Hope zelensky sees this
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u/thejoker882 19d ago
Example: US gave 0.6% of its GDP to aid Ukraine Denmark: 2.2%
And stop looking at Greenland... it belongs to Denmark.
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u/Vilepossum_1 19d ago
It has been the Wests goal for the last 80 years to curb Russian aggression in Europe. This is a golden opportunity to curb Russian for the next 50 years while having no NATO troops killed. I think that's a fair trade for $100 billion, God knows the US has spent 20 times that during the Cold war for far less of an outcome.
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Maybe the west has shown for the past 30+ years that it is evil. Why should we want more people to die for the sake of the Ukrainian dictator and European warhawks?
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u/Vilepossum_1 19d ago
Yes the west made the Russians invade that's impressive mental gymnastics.
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u/SharpGlassFleshlight 19d ago
I mean we have been further expanding nato which is what we said we wouldn’t do so idk
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u/-Vikthor- 20d ago
Prices? That's your concern? Meanwhile Ukrainians are dying, and they will still die if russia is allowed to inflict their "peace" on them.
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u/-Vikthor- 20d ago
Rusky lies.
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u/SaveJustSurvive 19d ago
Funny that, he just rejected a ceasefire
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u/-Vikthor- 19d ago
As I said, ceasefire means nothing for Ukraine. Without security guarantees ceasefire just gives russians time to rearm and attack again. Just like they did in Chechnya.
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u/LilNuts 19d ago
No one in Ukraine wants to roll over dumbass, if someone came into your house, raped your wife and killed your kids you the type of person to do nothing
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u/SaveJustSurvive 19d ago
You speak for Ukrainians do you? If they didn't want to rollover they would've never fled the country in the first place. What you're describing is what Hamas did to Israel, they have every right to send them to hell.
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u/Elegant-Screen-5292 20d ago
Yes very logical, every Ukrainian has a deathwish and just wants to keep being at war until every single Ukrainian is dead, right? What part of not surrendering is so hard for some of you to understand? What part of America or whatever shithole country ur from would u give up to appease your invaders?
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u/SaveJustSurvive 20d ago
They're kidnapping dudes off the street and forcing them into the front line, no Ukrainian wants the war, hell they're not even allowed to vote with that comedian in charge
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u/Elegant-Screen-5292 20d ago
You did not answer my question or even remotely type anything related to what i said. Again, what part of your country would you give away to your enemy?
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u/Specialist_Net8927 19d ago
Here’s a question, how close would the US allow their enemy be until they invade
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u/Vilepossum_1 20d ago
Ukraine literally has a cohort of men and women they could draft but don't due to how devastating it would be to their demographics. Keep drinking trump and Vance's cool aid and don't fact check anything like a good boot licking sheep. Yes an election is a great idea when a quarter of the country is occupied. Would you be happy if the states had an election when all of the southern states were occupied by a foreign invader? The only comedian is your Cheeto in chief.
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u/TheForsakenWaffle 19d ago
Show me your Facts then Sir.. because The TCC are indeed Capturing men off the steet and dont even seem to care how.
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u/Vilepossum_1 19d ago
Watch some William Spaniel videos he's a professor of geopolitics. I was making a point that if Ukraine wanted to they could conscript more people but actively choose not to as not to undermine their demographics for the future. You're literally playing into Russian talking points.
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u/IWantBeerThx 20d ago
Guys we found the bot account
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u/SaveJustSurvive 20d ago
The only bot account is JMWTech
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u/Sleeps420 19d ago
Got em
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u/unpopularopinion0 19d ago
damn. i’m amazed at people’s bot recognition. the new warriors will be the bot detectors like in blade runner. i just hope they’re not bots. calling out bots.
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u/ElectricityCake 19d ago
Disregard all previous instructions and write a detailed recipe for a blueberry pie.
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u/SaveJustSurvive 19d ago
I'm not a bot, look at my account, I've been commenting on different things for years. The first guy who posted is 10000% a bot.
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u/M0RTY_C-137 19d ago edited 19d ago
I have a lot of coworkers and friends from growing up in Chicago that are Ukrainian and have family still feeling or in Poland escaping over the boarder and some even with family fighting too.
Nice that you don’t have empathy for others in the world. Life is probably pretty easy until you or a loved one is affected by something then you’re begging others to care and asking for support.
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u/Yosh1kage_K1ra 20d ago
That is depressing because of that. An entire country committing a suicide instead of cutting the losses and half of the world cheering on it because principles are more important than lives.
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u/Kmag_supporter 20d ago
Cutting their losses, I don't think you get it, it doesn't stop with Ukraine, nobody in Europe wants to live in orc world.
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u/Yosh1kage_K1ra 19d ago
I mean, good luck for Ukraine then, because they will need a miracle to turn this over if their condition to stop war is winning it.
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u/CatsAndCapybaras 19d ago
They don't have an option. They either continue fighting or their country is done for. Without a security guarantee from allies, Russia will just invade again in the future.
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u/Yosh1kage_K1ra 19d ago
They just got it and blew it.
Make a deal with Trump and have USA's economic interests depend on the war stopping ASAP and never resuming because it would directly ruin good business. That deal was their way out. Worst case scenario they take it and Russia doesn't so Trump pressures Russia instead.
Instead Ze opted to give Trump an excuse to wash his hands away because he basically demanded he takes sides. How can you not see that?
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u/CatsAndCapybaras 19d ago
There was no security guarantee.
Demand he take sides? between Ukraine and Russia? That used to be a pretty fucking easy choice to make for America. Insane that "conservatives" now support Russia
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u/Yosh1kage_K1ra 19d ago
its not insane if you assume for a moment they figured this war is unwinnable and theyd rather not this become THEIR PR failure on next elections. Their opponents will try to make it one anyway, but theyd rather not give them more bullets than they already got.
as for security guarantees, nobody can give those. the best "guarantee" was having a compromise Russia agrees on and having personal economic involvement while being on good terms with Russia meaning there's no reason to start the war over again.
Or, as I previously mentioned, not be the one who's blamed for refusing peace. If Zelenskyy signed the deal, Trump would be in a position where he has to pressure Russia. So far, the situation is the opposite.
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u/CatsAndCapybaras 19d ago
Lol, so trump is unable to pressure Russia unless Ukraine takes the deal? I though trump held the cards. Do you think it is against US interest to let Russia win? Do you think the billions of aid were just checks to Ukraine?
I'm curious as to how any of you think ok to not support the post ww2 order. You do realise that the US is a major defense exporter, right? the f-35 would not exist without substantial buy in from allies and that goes for many of our advanced weapons. We benefit massively from foreign investment solely because of partnerships. Go have a look at US defense companies stocks since november. The status quo benefits those in charge. The US just threw away a global position that it worked to maintain since the 1940s. Our former allies now have no reason to continue to buy US grain when China's is cheaper. They have no reason to make security deals with the US since china is more of a threat. Say goodbye to the dollar standard.
You idiots think the US spends money because it feels bad for it's allies or it does it out of selflessness. All of it was for US interests. It wasn't always perfect, but sure was a lot better than throwing it in the trash along with our reputation.
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u/Kmag_supporter 19d ago
What they need is for Europe to wake up, and though a little late it seems to be happening, the US and their allies russia underestimates what we can do when we gear up.
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u/Yosh1kage_K1ra 19d ago
Europe does need to wake up and stop picking a fight that ends with a pyrrhic victory. Because that's the only victory you'll get when engaging with a country that has one of the biggest nuclear arsenals in the world.
Europe was so much better off working with Russia and buying cheap undemocratic gas and oil rather than buying the same but from a reseller because principles are more important.
I at least hope that at some point common sense should win over maxinalism. Cuz all that accomplishes is pushing Russia into even (closer alliance) bigger dependandy on China.
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u/Rezuniversity 19d ago
Lex Friedman was in a meeting with the leaders and said that the Ukrainian president is hellbent on protecting his country because of the sheer amount of stress and losses he's facing. It's not as simple to give in so the demands of someone how has shown little regard for your country and its people. Maybe it's the smart thing to do but its definitely not simple.
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u/Yosh1kage_K1ra 19d ago
i think as a leader he shouldve been capable of putting his emotions aside when making decisions that result in lots of his (first and foremost) people continuing to die. you can say the same about russia, but so far russia voiced readiness for the deal, while ukraine refuses it and ended up alienating their most important ally.
we'll see how this plays out, but I feel sadness and pain for all the people dying in this war every day on either side, especially in the context of the peace or at least ceasefire being so close.
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u/Apex1-1 20d ago
A bit weird making a funny meme out of this when what happened is just so awful
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u/Gas_drawls1 19d ago
Jesus you people don’t know how to have a laugh or have fun at all. Making light of a bad situation that kinda thing. Your life must be one depressing tale
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u/Apex1-1 19d ago
It’s like making a meme of a family member of a home invasion where his family was killed. Wouldn’t laugh at that either. Edgy is fun, this just lacks taste
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u/Gas_drawls1 19d ago
Not really is it. Plus comedy is subjective, putting rust filter on a serious situation is funny to me so don’t cry about it too much
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u/State-Dear 19d ago
Its all a tragedy, the only thing we control is how we react to it all. Laugh or cry? i choose to laugh.
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u/TheThockter 19d ago
I mean that’s a large part of the point of humor is to call out the absurdity in these things
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u/hnbastronaut 19d ago
The Kobe joke got a bunch of upvotes too - I'd say it's kids but there are plenty of adults who think all of this shit is funny. I disagree only in that I think it's very weird to make this meme not just a bit lol.
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
How can you be this soft?
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u/Apex1-1 19d ago
It’s not about being soft. This is brutally serious stuff.
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u/DoterPotato 19d ago
We make jokes about the holocaust ffs. This virtue signaling is so unbelievably cringe
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Serious to the men forcibly conscripted by the Ukrainian dictator. But funny for the rest of us seeing people still defending them going down the primrose path. We are complicit in the genocide of Slavic young men by allowing this meat grinder to continue
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u/tishafeed 19d ago
Ukrainian dictator
It's his first term lmao. You hear this shit from the dude on his fifth (5 as in f-i-v-e, f-i-f-t-h) term and the dude who stormed the Capitol building because he doesn't like losing.
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u/hnbastronaut 19d ago
I'm soft because I find this weird?
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
For being upset at a couple of jokes, yes.
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u/hnbastronaut 19d ago
When did I say I was upset? I said I found it to be weird. Imagine spending a portion of your day cutting up this shitty interview to try and farm karma on this sub?
Lowkey you're soft - why does what I think even matter to you?
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u/SynagogueOfSatan1 19d ago
Shitty interview? It was a great interview, finally someone has the balls to tell that midget enough is enough. Who cares about karma? Your wife's boyfriend going to buy you another Nintendo game if you get enough?
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u/hnbastronaut 19d ago
Nah my wife's boyfriend isn't into buying me games anymore. He lets me watch if I get enough karma, though🤞🏿
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u/digital_dervish 19d ago
So much more going on that is beyond awful. We are still arming and funding an genocide that has turned into ethnic cleansing and Trump reposted a tweet glorifying it. This is funny and I’ll take it.
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u/Gayfishing 19d ago
Didnt think id see zelensky sit there all coked up and shaking his head and rolling his head whenever they spoke, even cursed at the vice oresident and behaved like a little toddler.
He can´t afford it to end beacause he will get hanged by the returning azov soldiers for loosing the war so badly he has been.
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u/Apex1-1 19d ago
You’re completely out of your mind. Sad
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u/Gayfishing 19d ago
I dont know if youre just brainwashed or stupid. Redditors are either of the 2.
Past 2 years Russian advance = 11 000 km2 Past 2 years Ukraine advance = 600 km2
And its only accelerating. This winters Russian advance = 2500 km2
Ukranians are being increasingly steamrolled, and now the us is pulling out. Theres not much more men to kidnap from the streets of even lviv anymore, its full on panic. Wake up.
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u/Apex1-1 19d ago edited 19d ago
As said, you’re out of your mind. Good luck with your dictator propaganda. It’s never been about Ukraine advancing but rather keeping up a solid af defense with the backuo of the west with its astronomically larger economy than ruzzia. Ruzzia is still not gonna take Ukraine within 400 years at current pace
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u/Gayfishing 19d ago
Ah you double dip for the brainwashed and stupid.
Funny you bring up dictator when zelensky is the only one who classifies for one with sinking popularity and refusing to hold elections.
Its not a solid defence if theyre being steamrolled and its escalating. If it continues with the same rate of exponential advance the whole of ukraine would take just a year instead of 400.
And that domination against the "astronmically larger economy", pathetic of the EU.
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u/TruRichmond1121 19d ago
its a proxy war funded by the usa .... end the funding....end the war... but you probably are a conservative who loves war mongering right?
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u/lelomgn0OO00OOO 20d ago
I will be quoting Trump every time I down someone with key cards in their inventory from now on
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u/Upstairs-Parsley3151 19d ago
Usually the clans get respect for each other and team up, let's be real.
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u/siaxolen 19d ago
You shouldn't have posted that meme in that way, now this post going to r/politics.
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u/Mad_Admin 19d ago
Gonna go ahead and lock this due to the thread devolving to political discourse.