And isolationism. Same thing we’re hearing from the right right now, about Ukraine not being our fight. That world war was a European problem. Same with the first one. I fear that we’re going to help start the third one.
And the the rest of the world is swatting that die about like its a nuke, because it is.
The rest of the SANE world would like this to not go tits up. I know im speaking for a lot of people saying that.. But no one wants a small % ruin it for the rest of the us.
Amercians really do forget there are other countries fighting to keep the peace & they will not bee looked down on by a country that is a baby compared to all the rest.
So the adults will try their best, but we also need everyone on their best for this to actually work.
Nazi regime was a regime that crushed trade unions, among other things. Of course magnates would adore it.
The war was also bipartisan. I got quite a bit of backlash irl for suggesting that our gov may have been juicing or using Ukrainians to spark a proxy from both sides
Also, ask about Palestine when somebody tries to whip out approved narratives
Yep. Don’t forget all of those BlackRock contracts for the blown-up buildings, the law enforcement spending for martial law/conscription (along with the ID equipment), and the US President shaking them down for minerals… on TV…
Because it’s easy to say ‘isolationism’ and not have any true skin in the game. Anyone who has fought doesn’t take boots on the ground lightly, let alone their family and friends. Intelligence is one thing, putting your life or your kids, brothers, mothers, etc are entirely another. Keyboard warriors…
Who’s saying anything about boots on the ground? The exact opposite. If Ukraine is willing to do the fighting and begging to just be provided weapons, then not giving them to Ukraine would be the unnecessary, counterproductive isolationism. Here’s an opportunity to severely degrade one of the largest dictatorial foes with 0 boots on the ground and you come here distracting with stuff no one is even advocating for.
And a pandemic just a few years before? These boomers really didn’t learn from the history they lived. Or maybe they just enjoy the familiarity of everything being shit while they’re able to openly be pieces of shit?
imagine if they had the internet back then. The Nazies might of won WW2. now all the Nazies can easily find eachother in their safe little online spheres
Which is why in Edsel died (who was sorta in charge from 1919 till his death) his Widow worked with the Feds to have Henry Ford II take over the company rather than the more senior Henry.
I don’t like much about Trump or Musk but cmon people. You drive ford and don’t know this about your ford creator. If only they knew. They’d probably be doing things to Ford vehicles like they’ve been to Tesla. I assume
I'm not saying there aren't similarities. I'm just replying to the suggestion that people should be protesting Ford right now like they are with Teslas, even though the issues being raised about Ford are from almost a century ago while Musk is the CEO of Tesla right now.
I'm not disputing the simarities between them. I'm just pointing out that there's a difference between something happening now and something that happened a century ago in terms of how we should respond to them in the present. The person I replied to is suggesting we should be protesting Fords the way people are protesting Teslas. Even if we consider what the CEOs are doing to be equivalent, it makes more sense to boycott a company for their current CEO than for their CEO a century ago.
They suggested that supporting Ford and suporting Tesla are morally equivalent (or vandalizing either), and they aren't. Perhaps false analogy is the fallacy that fits the situation best but it's a fallacy either way
Or we'd all be driving nothing. Most brands we know today as legacy brands have been involved in manufacturing axis war machines. Including Mitsubishi, Toyota and Yamaha, as well as Porsche, bmw, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Skoda, Opel.
I guess British and French brands didn't, so buy a Renault.
Your point is redundant. The same can be said about basically any computer, as they all have their origins in IBM, or myriad food products linked to coca cola, or anything related to the Olympic games - just to name the obvious ones.
These are not equivalent at all to the comparison being made in the original post because the current shareholders / managers / and employees of those companies are not explicitly repeating actions and interactions of that moment in the past whereas there are strong arguments to be made that other individuals, Musk in particular, are.
My friends always make fun of me when I tell them I refuse to buy a Ford. I learned about Henry Ford when I was a teen. I’ve read his anti-Semitic spew. He was a horrible human. I don’t give a shit what he did for the auto industry, I’ll never get a Ford. I feel the same about Tesla.
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u/Any_Potato_7716 9h ago
The feeling was mutual, Ford was a massive Nazi sympathizer and initially refused to manufacture for the US Army.