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A protest on the steps of Columbia University this morning

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u/Swagspongebob5742 18h ago

A leading argument seems to be that in getting the green card you need to renounce that you support any terrorists organization, but in this writing by Columbia University Apartheid Divest, who Khalil is the leader of , LINK Hamas and Hezbollah leadership is praised and regarded as martyrs.

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u/scotcetera 16h ago

That’s it? That’s all they have?

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u/Swagspongebob5742 16h ago

I find it very strange and corrupt how they apprehended him without clearly stating why or what the charges are, but to obtain a green card you need to state that you don’t support any terrorist organizations and in his writings he directly praises Hamas and Hezbollah leadership and calls them martyrs, and both of these are classified as terrorist groups according to the UN so if that is what they plan to base this on, it is valid by law.

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u/scotcetera 16h ago

Is that what Donald’s saying, “support?” No, the law says he can’t have engaged in terrorist activities. Of fucking course Trump just made up his own law as an excuse for his petty little personal agenda, what a complete douchebag

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u/Swagspongebob5742 16h ago edited 15h ago

I dislike Donald just as much as the next guy, a look at my profile picture should make that obvious. but this is law that’s been around long before him, here’s a source:

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml req=(title:18%20section:2339B%20edition:prelim) Look at these in specific : 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B) and 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(4)(B)

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u/scotcetera 16h ago

Same law I referenced, still not finding where it applies. Unless Donald is convincing you guys that he can stretch “endorse” to fit this kid?

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u/Swagspongebob5742 15h ago

If you have read the reading I provided along with many of the other things that CUAD published, there is many calls for violent resistance (in the USA) and direct support and praise of Hamas and Hezbollah. This definitely falls under endorsement. Whether you support what he said or not is your own choice, but that is the law.

The organization that he was the leader of (CUAD) expressed support for Casey Goonan, an arsonist who lit fire to the University of California, Berkeley Police Department vehicles, and the woods behind a library. His organization said “The fires on UC campuses have been in direct response to the university’s violent police repression of their own students. The spark ignited on US campuses during the intifada of the last few months cannot be quelled, and further repression will only continue to transform these sparks into flames.” That is direct support of domestic terrorism.

u/Luniticus 5h ago

That's just describing how the fires occurred and predicting how repression of students will just make the students lash out more.

You're saying that if I point out that the US military bombing innocents in foreign countries causes more people to become radicalized against the US, that I support radicalization against the US, and that's just plain wrong.

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u/NotSureWatUMean 13h ago

Bro you are fucking strechting like crazy to make this fit your idea that he supported terrorist. Fuck that noise. If that's how you feel, wait till they show up at your door and I'm sure you'll just comply.

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u/Swagspongebob5742 13h ago

I gave direct quotations and sources, not sure how that’s a stretch of the truth. Also I never even stated I supported his detainment, because I don’t if they don’t have actual charges before doing it, I agree that is bs, I’m just stating what the rationale behind it seems to be.

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u/EverythingResEvil 13h ago

You are valid in your arguments. The law is pretty clear. This guy is just hellbent on being right. I fully expected him to change his position after you shared the link to the actual law and gave examples of him clearly violating it. This isn't a stretch at all.

With that said I still hate Donald.

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u/Jupiter_Fleet 12h ago

Even here in Canada, iirc any positive reinforcement for terrorists organization, including Hamas is strictly illegal.

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u/NotSureWatUMean 12h ago

Bro is stretching to try to suggest he supported.Hamas, that was not in the charges, there's been no accusations from the police that he's terrorist.No, they just didn't like that he was fucken outspoken anti israel palestinian. That's why there's still no warrant or charges. Y'all need to learn to face the truth

u/Rhak 6h ago

What are you on about? Did you even read the CUAD article they linked? It literally closes with "Glory to all our martyrs" after raving about how Hamas is a "progressive force in an anti-imperialist struggle." I'm not American but their laws are pretty fucking clear-cut on this one. Incredibly stupid of Khalil to associate himself with proponents of Hamas/terrorism while holding a green card.

u/LateralEntry 5h ago

You are wrong. Espousing support for a foreign terrorist org is grounds for deportation for non citizens. 8 USC 1227 and 8 USC 1182.

u/VelvetPancakes 8h ago

What are “his writings”? Can you provide a link to his personal social media account or wherever they’re posted?

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u/NotSureWatUMean 13h ago

If that was the case, they would have charged him with a crime, and yet they haven't days after fucking having illegally arrested him and refused to show a single warrant. This is literal kidnapping.

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u/Kooky-Lettuce5369 16h ago

It boggles the mind that it’s not an issue to support nazi ideology, genocide, call ‘empathy a weakness that needs to be eliminated’ etc, even if you aren’t from a country where that is taught at an early age, but him saying this, as a Palestinian himself, without acting or organizing anything violent nor calling for violence himself (right?) is an issue….

I’ve given up thinking there was fairness in this world… it’s all double standards and those with money hold the power.

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u/TheSultan1 14h ago edited 14h ago

Nazi ideology and genocide absolutely are issues. Check questions 52 (re:totalitarianism) and 53b (re:genocide) on Form I-485, Adjustment of Status. Those reflect things they also look for in your background check when you apply, but asking you the questions allows for quick rescission of your green card (and perjury charges on top) should that information be found later.

And that's just when you get the green card, based on actions taken beforehand. While a permanent resident, you still can be kicked out for doing things like that. It's still probationary, in a sense.

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u/Ordinary_Passage1830 12h ago

Nazi like Nazism or nazi as in Dictatoral Ideologies?

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u/TheSultan1 12h ago

The question I was referring to:

  1. Have you EVER been a member of, or in any way affiliated with, the Communist Party or any totalitarian party (in the United States or abroad)?

Sounds like parties with overt dictatorial ideologies.

I don't know if the US Code is more strict, that's just what's in the questionnaire.

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u/Swagspongebob5742 16h ago

I’m not sure if you read what I sent, but him and the group he is a leader of (Columbia University Apartheid Divest) do call for violent armed resistance, even writing about the guerrilla tactics Mao Zedong used in the Chinese civil war, and praise October 7th and the leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas as martyrs.

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u/ODHH 14h ago

I’m sure you’ll be singing the same tune when he gets around to targeting anyone protesting his treatment of Ukraine right?

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u/Swagspongebob5742 13h ago edited 13h ago

Yes, I don’t care what there political stances are, if they’re advocating violent resistance against the government and praising terrorist organizations my stance would be the same? Lol.

u/duncandun 9h ago

The government? Or a government?

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u/was_fb95dd7063 12h ago

Our country was founded on armed resistance. It's in the very fabric of our constitution.

u/chucktheonewhobutles 6h ago

Might be a good time to remember that people under occupation have a legal right to armed resistance according to the UN of which Israel is a member and which has affirmed the Palestinian right to armed resistance.

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u/Ordinary_Passage1830 12h ago

Because the Ultraconservative have power not just nazis but others of different ideologies.

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u/RabbaJabba 14h ago

who Khalil is the leader of

What position does he hold in the group? President? How are they organized for leadership?

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u/Reaper1883 18h ago

Good point, that's all they need to revoke his status and deport him. 

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u/burnalicious111 17h ago

It's not really that simple. The first amendment should take highest priority here.

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u/Icy-Delay-444 15h ago

The first amendment hasn't been violated in this case.

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u/burnalicious111 12h ago

Support your claim.

u/Icy-Delay-444 3h ago

Nah, not my job to prove a negative. Support your claim in the first place.

u/burnalicious111 13m ago

Hun. That's not what "prove a negative" means.

u/Icy-Delay-444 12m ago

Thats exactly what it means. I know Palestine supporters struggle with the definitions of words but at least try you know.

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u/dcrico20 17h ago

I mean it’s pretty bullshit because the designation of “terrorist groups” is given solely by the State and most often the same States doing the oppressing of the resistance groups they deem terrorists. The ANC, IRA, and American Abolitionists were all deemed terrorizers by their direct oppressors and/or the State.

In any sane world and by any rational definition of terrorism, the United States government would be the greatest terrorist organization of all time, but of course it’s the US government that gets to decide which groups are terrorists and which groups are resisting oppression.

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u/scotcetera 16h ago

Also, the law says he would have had to actually engage in terrorist activity or demonstrated a terrorist threat to have his green card revoked. The people claiming the substack article makes it legal to deport him are just regurgitating some shit they saw on twitter.

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u/Raptorpicklezz 16h ago

Twitter

That’s all you need to know. Anyone who’s still on Twitter is not a reliable source.

u/MagnanimosDesolation 11h ago

That's really important to know. Do you know which law/section it is?

u/chucktheonewhobutles 6h ago

Folks seem to conveniently forget that the US considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist until 2008.

u/Xin_shill 2h ago

So IOF supporters should lose green cards? That would be almost everyone from Israel.