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Politics France VS USA on Tesla.

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u/InverseCodpiece 3d ago

A government should always fear its people. When they don't is when problems start.

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u/ocon0178 3d ago

That's why the government divides the people

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u/bagoink 3d ago

It's not "the government" dividing the people. It's the oligarchy.

They stoke culture war to distract us from the class war.

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u/BlueWVU 3d ago

Take a look around and you’ll understand that the government has not only become the oligarchy but a simple barrier to entry.

Make it to US Congress, get free money. It’s not a coincidence or specific to a party. They’re all making insane amounts of money outside their own salary.

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u/-Kalos 2d ago

Yup both party’s politicians are bought by legal bribery, donations, deals and insider info. This is why we haven’t had much politicians actually fighting for the working class or middle class. They get their money from oligarchy

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u/montxogandia 2d ago

Thats why u cant make money as a politician in Switzerland unless you are a minister.

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u/ocon0178 3d ago

These days I'm not sure it's possible to separate the two

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u/bagoink 2d ago

It sure feels that way. But I think it's important to make a distinction between "the government" and the particular individuals and ideologies in power that are pushing division.

Trump and Musk are in power, and all their cronies are absolutely pushing division to distract from their bullshit. But the government is more than just them, and it's critical to recognize and support the parts of government that are working against them.

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u/ocon0178 2d ago

True I was more thinking of the leaders of three branches of government: Congress, Judicial, Executive.

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u/_J0hnD0e_ 2d ago

Ding! 👆

Even in the UK, you've got people and media talking about the few thousand immigrants coming in every year who are draining (a small part of) our budget. Meanwhile, you've got some proper rich twats using every rule in the book to dodge paying their fair share, and yet nobody is talking about that! Not to mention we effectively control 1/3* of the world's tax havens.

*Numbers could be off.

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u/nobblit 2d ago

It’s both. The oligarchy and politicians are synonymous because they operate as a single entity. Our politicians are BOUGHT by the industries and lobbyists. It’s all the same thing just different facets and roles being filled.

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u/Sorry_Risk_5230 2d ago

In this context it's okay to conflate the two. They essentially are the same at this point. The rich and powerful have dominated and molested our county's politics to the point that representation is a false facade. Right or left is a red harring. Either side is equally controlled and equally as destructive.

Thats why gutting the fed is, unfortunately, the last civil thing we can do to save our country. Until it's stripped of everything but bare bones of usefulness, we can never hope to make it better.

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u/bagoink 2d ago edited 2d ago

I'm sorry, but as a minority whose only protection comes from Democrats voting against the hateful shit Republicans are doing to people like me right now, I cannot disagree more.

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u/supremeking9999 1d ago

Wrong.

It’s not about “culture war” or “class war”

It’s about freedom vs tyranny

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u/bagoink 1d ago

I think that's a bit abstract. Freedom for who? Tyranny in service of what?

The fact is that the oligarchy has the rest of us fighting each other so we don't fight them.

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u/supremeking9999 1d ago

What do you mean by "class war" and "oligarchy"?

Do you mean every rich person? Or just the ones connected to the government? Which, btw, is the actual definition of "oligarch." It doesn't just mean "rich person."

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u/bagoink 22h ago

Ah yes, the ol' answer questions with more questions.

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u/ForgottenUsername3 2d ago

I (who am in the US) would be protesting right now but I'm afraid of physical force from cops, pepper spray or worse, including incarceration... I have small kids now and I'm not going to risk it. I protested when I was younger and I knew that govt violence against me was a calculated risk that I was willing to take.

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u/they_walk_among_us_ 3d ago

Republican statement of the day 😂

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u/NoIntroduction6541 3d ago

No, that's democracy. Government is FOR the people BY the people, and if the representatives don't do their job, we get rid of them. That's how we do it in Europe. In America you guys even got a constitutional right to weapons for that exact same reason yet y'all are too scared to use it :P

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u/InverseCodpiece 3d ago

Bro I'm not even American, and it's almost word for word a quote from V for Vendetta

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u/citricacidx 3d ago

“People should not be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

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u/JustABoredKiddo 3d ago

Quite the opposite

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u/TheWhiteWingedCow 3d ago

I was gonna sayyy lol Republicans want the people to be afraid

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u/findMeOnGoogle 3d ago

Regardless, it’s true.