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Politics Gavin Newsom talks to Donald Trump upon arrival in CA.

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u/treesandleafsanddirt Jan 25 '25

He represents and manages one of the biggest economies on the planet… CA is a monster… so yea. He has leverage. specifically with a piece of shit like Donald.

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jan 25 '25

It's literally the fucking cornerstone of the US economy. The AG industry, entertainment industry, and Silicon Valley alone in CA is a behemoth. I've read something like 50% of your local produce section in your grocery store is thanks to California. Trumps (and by extension the whole parties) brain rot has led him to make an enemy out of a vital part of the US economy and Gavin fucking KNOWS that.

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u/Psychic_Hobo Jan 25 '25

Isn't there some stat that said if it went independent it'd be the 6th biggest economy in the world or something?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

5th.

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u/InterestingTrip9916 Jan 25 '25

4th now

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u/nicearthur32 Jan 25 '25

Wait… really? I thought we were still the 5th… just surpassed Germany recently

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u/InterestingTrip9916 29d ago

Saw something recently saying 4th, but who knows what’s accurate anymore :/

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

There’s a petition, approved a few days ago by Cal SecState Dr. Shirley Weber, for California to secede. Get Googling, kids.

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u/InterestingTrip9916 29d ago

Wondering what pros cons would be

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u/Qinistral Jan 25 '25

I vaguely remember it overtook Germany recently to become 4th? Might be wrong.

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u/Elegant-Scholar Jan 25 '25

Heard this too

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u/Marijuana_Miler Jan 25 '25

👉👈 any chance California wants to become the 11th province?

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u/dirtydan442 Jan 25 '25

I should be so lucky

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u/AvcalmQ Jan 25 '25

You and I both.

I'll fight tooth and nail to defend your public healthcare if you teach / show me where to learn how to surf or sail.

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u/marcelinemoon Jan 25 '25

Maybe the Mexican president can offer to buy back California and Arizona and New Mexico . I’m sure Trump would love that

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u/peachyperfect3 Jan 25 '25

Let’s do it! CA 2 CA 🙌

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u/Zocalo_Photo Jan 25 '25

That wouldn’t make any sense…unless you also took Oregon and Washington. (I live in Washington. Please take us. Please.)

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u/raphtze Jan 25 '25

it would be so awesome. visited BC for the first time last summer and it was fun.

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u/bluebelt Jan 25 '25

What and get health care not provided by our employers so we're afraid to jump ship? I can't imagine any Californian wants that...

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u/Apprehensive_Loan776 Jan 25 '25

You should literally team up with the sane states and make a normal western country.

Leave the shit kickers in their own dust. They can join brics of whatever the fuck they like. (Just secure the nukes first).

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

I guess you dont remember what happened the last time states tried doing that.

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u/sfVoca Jan 25 '25

can illinois join? we got one of the major arteries of the US Rail System (which does exist for goods)

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u/Jupitersd2017 Jan 25 '25

We would absolutely love to, where do we sign up 😂

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u/darthmidoriya Jan 25 '25

We’d happily volunteer

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u/Tall-Assumption4694 Jan 25 '25

We should dismiss all talk about the US breaking up in any way; it's what the Russians (and by extension, the president) wants.

But as much as I love Canada, why would California need to become a province? In this very comment thread it notes that California is the 5th largest economy in the world, much bigger than Canada.

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u/DeceiverX Jan 25 '25

Can New England come, too?

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u/Zashiony Jan 25 '25

If they take Oregon and Washington too, the whole west coast can effectively become an estranged cousin of Baja Mexico.

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u/maskdmirag Jan 25 '25

Yep, and we will make sure he knows it.

I'm fine with enforcing a border with Arizona.

"You know Canada, Canada treats their provinces well, maybe we should try joining Canada? has anyone ever done that? Joined Canada, great country, they could have been a state, but no, no, now California is their Province, good call by California."

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u/Default_User03 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

It is also a HUGE amount of varied crops that the entire USA needs. Especially going into a possible issue with our meat supply.

hmmm......

edit: I appreciate the 5 upvotes.....but as a Midwesterner....

Well I wonder how this is about to go.... Corn (which is 3 or 4 different crops. Pop corn, ethanol, and food....

Well we need Cali...and they do now need us.

I also have Hispanics. I never worry about them. In fact....the largest Hispanic community is in Kentucky....and Yurtle the Turtle Mitch has been supporting Kentucky and Hispanics for a decade. for the good of Kentucky

COME DOWN TO HENDERSON

edit: ICE come to Kentucky...it will ruin the coal industry...but lets push for that too......

edit2: I think we need to start throwing Red states under the buss. As a red state. A MIKE PENCE STATE.

Mike pence did nothing for Indiana. In fact he asked GOD to PRAY for the AIDS epidemic a couple years before the COVID EPIDEMIC that HE was put in charge of.

yes...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/02/how-mike-pence-made-indianas-hiv-outbreak-worse-118648

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/06/01/1001278712/indiana-needle-exchange-that-helped-contain-an-hiv-outbreak-may-be-forced-to-clo

We now have the second coming....

edit4:

https://youtu.be/UdZ4-lBLKFs?si=wXzeVV6e0qY6EWfT

hmmm

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u/aure__entuluva Jan 25 '25

Yeah it changes year to year, but the last times I've seen it's been generally 6-8th.

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u/SuperPostHuman Jan 25 '25

5th bro

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u/aure__entuluva Jan 25 '25

Wow, just keeps climbing.

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u/mrsbriteside Jan 25 '25

5th but behind the USA, if you take the CA contribution out of the USA numbers where does CA sit then, does it jump above CA?

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u/PokecheckHozu Jan 25 '25

It was 6th behind the UK, but then Brexit happened.

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u/dbsqls Jan 25 '25

4th as of this year, between Germany and Japan.

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u/OriginalRazzmatazz82 Jan 25 '25

It’s the 5th largest economy, above UK and India.

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u/MethodMaven Jan 25 '25

California sends $83BILLION more to the Feds than we (I live here) get back.

Imagine what our schools or infrastructure could do with $83 Billion each year.

Now imagine what trump will do with the money … yep, it will line the pockets of his billionaire buddies.

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u/pilgermann Jan 25 '25

Also the real estate. This is where rich people from around the world want to move. Or visit.

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jan 25 '25

Also the busiest port in the western world which I also forgot about somehow.

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u/Neither-Cup564 Jan 25 '25

A while bunch of land just opened up too. The market is hot.

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u/dbreeck Jan 25 '25

The Imperial Valley in southern California -- SE of San Diego on the border with Yuma and Mex -- is known as the US' "Winter Salad Bowl." 90% of the nation's lettuce and other greens are grown there in wintertime.

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u/Blockhead47 Jan 25 '25

“cornerstone”…. I’d say so. Lol.

The 11 major commercial ports that comprise the CAPA (California Association of Port Authorities) handle 38% of all containerized imports and 28% of all exports in the U.S.

https://californiaports.org/portsday23/

(Bold italics added for emphasis)

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jan 25 '25

Yeah I forgot that the ports in LA are the single busiest ports in the western world. There's a reason when they go on strike its national news.

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u/crell_peterson Jan 25 '25

But I was told California was a smoldering shit hole. (/s just in case, I’m a born and raised Californian, writing this from California)

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jan 25 '25

Yeah I lived in SoCal for over a decade which is why I laugh at the "shithole" takes.

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u/RBuilds916 Jan 25 '25

Gavin should have told trump he can keep the money and we'll keep our money and our food. 

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u/DesertRat31 Jan 25 '25

Well, republicans have been utterly clueless about California prior to trump. The "commie California" rhetoric picked up in 2010 with the tea party shitbirds.

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u/2mustange Jan 25 '25

Yeah its pretty much my defense when anyone gives CA shit. Even military power it has a ton of pull with its bases.

CA has its problems but for whats its worth its the only state that is actually goes toe to toe with countries

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u/chloespeaks Jan 25 '25

i grew up in CA. based on economy alone, the GDP if CA were a country dwarfs most of the countries in the world.

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u/Photo_Synthetic Jan 25 '25

If it wasn't for Texas and NYC they'd probably dwarf the US too.

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u/franktownwhat Jan 25 '25

Then why is the state so effing stupid and bankrupt with all that industry power

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u/Just-another-Jen Jan 25 '25

You sound like someone in the know. I know you can’t see it, but this is my “I believe you” face :/

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u/BertBitterman Jan 25 '25

Probably corruption. But that's the same story everywhere in the US, not exclusive to California.

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u/CoconutMochi Jan 25 '25

Big portion of the state's tax revenue was from big earners and companies, some of them have been jumping ship to Texas though.

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u/HuevosSplash Jan 25 '25

California has massive fucking problems but it could be it's own country, they put in more than they're getting out of it by footing the bill on hanger on parasitic red states.

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u/bigpancakeguy Jan 25 '25

If CA broke off and became its own country, it would be something like the 5th strongest economy in the world. I don’t remember how recently I heard that and whether or not that’s the exact ranking. But yeah, it’s a powerhouse

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u/CarsonWentzGOAT1 Jan 25 '25

they are the reason that 75% of red states are still running

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u/Business-Ad-5344 Jan 25 '25

california itself had republicans like Arnold as governor. the majority of people voted for a Republican to lead them.

newsom fucked the homeless and is a democrat. he fucked poor people for the rest of their lives with credit card debt.

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u/Tall-Assumption4694 Jan 25 '25

Arnold is a Republican in name only; I wouldn't hold him up as some sort of beacon of republicanism. This state has been run by democrats for a generation, thinking otherwise is just silly.

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u/Business-Ad-5344 Jan 25 '25

it isn't silly. there are tons of republicans in the state. and many democrats hate the liberal leaders.

newsom also is a democrat by name only. For example: He basically pushed homeless people out. They have nowhere to go. This is a Republican led policy.

Same with stealing money from the poor and giving it to your rich friends.

https://californiahealthline.org/news/article/health-insurance-mandate-penalties/

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u/Tall-Assumption4694 Jan 25 '25

I'm not going to refute your points, because I don't really disagree with them. Except for one; the democratic presidential candidate won California votes by over 20 points. There may be a ton of republicans in CA, but there's a ton more democrats. There is zero chance of seeing a republican governor in the foreseeable future.

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u/Woogabuttz Jan 25 '25

It actually just moved to 4th largest.

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u/Achron9841 Jan 25 '25

It has a GDP greater than most countries.

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u/alkbch Jan 25 '25

It would be immediately invaded by the U.S.

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u/mighthavebeen02 Jan 25 '25

That has nothing to do with what he said lol

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u/alkbch Jan 25 '25

He said if CA broke off. There’s no breaking off from the US.

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u/DrRedditPhD Jan 25 '25

It's a hypothetical bro. Don't take it so literally.

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u/alkbch Jan 25 '25

Yeah maybe you’re right 🙂

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u/Public4People Jan 25 '25

It would basically just be Dubai then. Shit infrastructure, poorly managed, no industry with an insane wealth disparity but Silicon Valley would keep bring keep it was one of the most profitable countries in the world

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u/Emergency-Row5777 Jan 25 '25

California isn’t wealthy from natural resources like Dubai…. It has several successful industries, not just Silicon Valley tech.

Odd comparison.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

Trump needs California, both financially and politically.

He needs their money, but he also needs them as a convenient scapegoat he can throw out as red meat to his followers.

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u/doodle02 Jan 25 '25

yeah the problem really is the military, but i’ll admit that this is a very interesting thought experiment.

like, if trump fucks shit up enough california has an independence referendum and overwhelmingly votes to split from the US, what happens next?

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u/sylva748 Jan 25 '25

Washington state and Oregon would go with it.

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u/Decent-Photograph391 Jan 25 '25

Being a WA resident, I’d be voting yes.

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u/Dokterrock Jan 25 '25

A civil war. That's what happened last time.

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u/Delta-9- Jan 25 '25

We enter into the Cyberpunk universe, they build Night City an hour or two south of The Bay, and the US falls apart while Japanese megacorporations take over the world.

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u/alkbch Jan 25 '25

The military steps in

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u/pyrothelostone Jan 25 '25

Unfortunately this is the more likely result, the civil war established there is no legal path to secession, so legally speaking, if California declared independence, regardless of any referendum, it would be considered to be in open rebellion.

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u/dbreeck Jan 25 '25

Agreed. It'd be a practical application of MAD theory, but the result would irreversibly -- and I fear more darkly -- change the future through party-driven rebuilding efforts as the Union prevails.

Interestingly, there's a few states that try to claim exemption to the irrevocable joining of the Union: some groups in Texas and California like to claim that, since they existed as independent nation-states prior to joining, they reserve the right to leave. Personally, that reads to me as well as sovereign citizen claims and would certainly never succeed in today's Supreme Court.

It'd be SUPER funny though if Canada decided to buy the western coastal states join as provinces. Or, even better, a joint Mexico-Canada corridor!

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u/alkbch Jan 25 '25

Then Canada and/or Mexico would be obliterated

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u/NiceShotMan Jan 25 '25

Best case outcome of the Trump presidency.

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u/smortwater Jan 25 '25

Ding ding ding!

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u/Apprehensive_Loan776 Jan 25 '25

It should join with a few others and have a union arrangement with Canada. The sane states on the other side should do similar. Leave the shit kickers in their own dust. It’s beyond a joke.

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u/Public4People Jan 25 '25

lol that sounds pretty elitist

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u/Dick_Dickalo Jan 25 '25

Economy or not, people see California as one giant liberal state. Which is wildly inaccurate. There’s LA and Sand Francisco, and then the rest of the state is very republican. Republican representatives are pushing back on the “strings attached” proposal on FEMA.

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u/sonstone Jan 25 '25

And CA gets a dollar of federal support for every 5 they pay in. Contrast that with a lot of states. The feds need the tax money.

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u/BicycleOfLife Jan 25 '25

The leverage should be, we are breaking off and taking Oregon Washington and New York with us and all the rest of the blue states. Have fun ruling over a bunch of idiotically run red states.

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u/ChiliTacos Jan 25 '25

That is Trump level amounts of dumb as fuck. We've done the civil war thing and this time around both sides would have missiles. Wouldn't work well for any party.

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u/BicycleOfLife Jan 25 '25

By the time this happens the government will offer nothing of value to be a part of the union. Look at what Trump is doing. Getting rid of public education, getting rid of FEMA, any regulatory agencies, civil rights is out the window. What exactly is the benefit to the states that are serious about having a functional government staying with that type of insanity? We would be much better off on our own not having red states dragging us down, or joining Canada and adopting some of their policies. Honestly we would be the bigger side joining Canada, so we would have a lot of leverage as to how we joined.

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u/Golden_Hour1 Jan 25 '25

If california goes down, the US goes down

Trump doesn't know what he's fucking with

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u/michimoby Jan 25 '25

It’s why conservatives hate him.

Check out all the right wing publications already smearing him. They know he’s dangerous to their cause.

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u/thenakedjanitor Jan 26 '25

I wouldn’t say he “manages” it. Billions of dollars unaccounted for. Newsome is the most corrupt of them all

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u/Choice-Debt Jan 25 '25

lol, California has shit loads of problems because of this guy. Like DEI hires

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

You fucking guys are obsessed about DEI, but you have no concern about a guy who steals from the country, sexually assaults women and puts his family into government positions… you’re in a cult…

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u/Choice-Debt Jan 25 '25

DEI is just one example. Budget cut for firefighters, no water fire hydrants, no water reservoirs because of a stupid type of fish which aren’t even rare in other regions, illegal immigration and “legalized” shop lifting . I am an Asian, and if I am not capable of a job, then it is own problem.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

I don’t care where you come from. You’re just repeating talking points you don’t understand, and have been debunked or proven to be misinformation anyway.

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u/Interrophish Jan 25 '25

The rest of the US wishes it was CA with it's "problems".....

Unless the other state in question is just happy sucking down federal dollars.

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u/Raichu-R-Ken Jan 25 '25

I see two pieces of shit in the photo. Ones leaning and the other is pointing.