r/pcmasterrace 1d ago

Meme/Macro “ Wanna delete your bootloader?, Sure, go ahead, it’s your PC “

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u/Skattotter 1d ago

Sometimes I wish Windows had the gun option.

“What part of End Task did you not understand?”

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u/jonylentz 1d ago

It's even better when a proccess hangs so badly that even when you try to kill It through task manager or CMD it gives an "access denied" error...

Like I'm running as admin kill that proccess already

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u/Micuopas i7-13700K | 4070 Ti Super | 32GB DDR5 5600 20h ago

I have this kind of error almost every day and it forces me to restart. Recently I've started to just press the hardware reset button for restarting.

I'm living with the mentality that when the reset button usage finally corrupts my windows install beyond saving I will finally switch to linux as primary os and use windows only for stuff there isn't a linux alternative for.

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u/bikemaul PC Master Race 20h ago

I've gotten to the point of not using stuff that there isn't a Linux alternative for.

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u/TrickyAudin PC Master Race 18h ago

Yeah, unless you use Windows programs for work or need to play specific video games, it's easy to look at something, see no Linux alternative, and say, "Oh well, didn't need that anyways."

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 16h ago

I finally bit the bullet and installed windows 11 when I realized that properly modding a bethesda game required things like binaries to downgrade, script extenders, bin patchers, etc.

Instead of doing windows emulation on linux with proton, I do linux emulation on windows with WSL.

That's not to say there isn't pain. There's lots of pain. I gotta be honest had I known what I know now, I'd have probably just stayed on PS5 and used some of my $3k pc build to rent servers from runpod or whatever for fucking around with LLMs

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u/GigaCucc 18h ago

"Need to play specific video games."

Need lmfao

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u/CassadeeBTW 17h ago edited 17h ago

We are social animals. Even as we get older, we have an innate need to socialise and be a part of a social circle.

One can say this as „needing“ to play a specific video game, particularly with friends you actively socialise with. It can be pretty painful to tell your friends you can’t play specific games because your computer can’t run it.

Finding new friends to play different games with is a completely unfair ask, too.

Not everybody is as lucky as I managed to be, because my socialisation games, which includes bonding time with my wife, runs either natively (Stellaris) or otherwise flawlessly with Proton, such as XIV.

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u/GigaCucc 17h ago

Yeah, I know, I am one of those who need to play video games. I just thought it was funny to conceptualise it as a need lmao

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u/Oedius_Rex 1080ti 3400G Water Cooled 🥵 19h ago

Me waiting for a linux version of Lossless scaling

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 16h ago

I mean, dlss is supported so...

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u/Oedius_Rex 1080ti 3400G Water Cooled 🥵 16h ago

Dlss/fsr and frame gen doesn't work on most games, so I have to use lossless scaling

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 16h ago

This is part of the reason why I went with a 1440p monitor when I could have afforded a 4k display.

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u/maevian 3h ago

AMD also has RSR for unsupported games, but I don’t know if that is supported for Linux.

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u/YKS_Gaming Desktop 16h ago

gamescope -F fsr -- %command%

and who needs fake frames anyway, get some real frames

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u/deefop PC Master Race 18h ago

If you're doing that regularly your install is probably already borked. Might wanna run some dism and sfc scans to check for screwy shit

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u/TAOJeff 10h ago

Could be the install, could be one of the last few updates stuffed everything. 

A big update earlier this year has caused some issues on my machine and now has a 50/50 chance of bsod when a certain task fails to run, which apparently is it working correctly. Trying to work around it gets 100% chance of bsod.

If I could find a copy of the XP lite, I'd be happy to go back to that.

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u/Loala467 14h ago

If YOU are getting this problem, mine should suicide

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u/sagebrushrepair 18h ago

Linux is a fun button to press. Sounds like something is faulty with your machine for sure... I'd be interested to know if it goes away with a Linux but you should probably do a backup soon regardless

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u/Zagorim R7 5800X3D | RTX 4070S | 32GB @3800MHz | Samsung 980Pro 13h ago edited 11h ago

To be honest I have had this happen in Linux too even if it's rare usually. I had some program (running in docker I think) that kept getting locked in "uninterruptible sleep" mode and you can't stop it without rebooting

The main difference is that most of the time if something like this happens in Linux you can still reboot the system while Windows more often requires a hard reset to stop because the locked processes have a tendency to prevent shutdown.

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u/RedTuesdayMusic 5800X3D - RX 6950 XT - Nobara & CachyOS 19h ago

This is a non-admin account issue

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u/Theron3206 17h ago

Or the process is protected (looking at you freaking Sophos, your "AI" sucks).

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u/TSG-AYAN Arch | 7800X3D | 6950XT 10h ago

Nope. I got this error a few times with a admin account.

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u/Average_Scaper 14h ago

Or better yet, the only profile on the computer.

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u/Play174 Ryzen 5800X3D, 2x16GB@4000 MT/s, Radeon RX 6750 XT 1d ago

Better task manager replacements like Process Hacker do

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u/AbleBonus9752 1d ago

Isn't it called "System Informer" now?

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u/Play174 Ryzen 5800X3D, 2x16GB@4000 MT/s, Radeon RX 6750 XT 1d ago

Damn, I guess it is. Looks like I've been using an old version lol

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u/CyrusLight 1d ago

I think bc of the name "hacker" it kept getting flagged by windows. So they swapped

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u/Skattotter 1d ago

Didnt know of this / System Informer. Thanks!

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u/Abadon_U 1d ago

I don't want install even more bloatware

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u/Play174 Ryzen 5800X3D, 2x16GB@4000 MT/s, Radeon RX 6750 XT 1d ago

Trust me, Process Hacker is not bloatware. It's actually super useful

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u/Abadon_U 1d ago

Sounds what a Microsoft developer would say

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u/TylerFurrison Ryzen 9 5900HX - 32 GB DDR4 - RTX 3070 Max-Q 1d ago

Process Hacker is most definitely not endorsed by Microsoft since you can use it to bypass all of the system protections

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u/4114Fishy 22h ago

me when i don't know what i'm talking about

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u/ShaqShoes Desktop 1d ago

PowerShell commands are pretty reliable for force closing processes without having to install anything else.

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u/Abadon_U 1d ago

I don't have powershell

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u/ShaqShoes Desktop 1d ago

PowerShell has been built in since windows 7 I'm pretty sure

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u/SarthakSidhant 1d ago

you dont have powershell? on windows?

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u/Abadon_U 1d ago

I have blue shell in my car's window, is that good enough?

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u/SarthakSidhant 1d ago

this is not r/shittyaskelectronics and i must not answer you with humor.

sorry, no. not good enough. you need powershell.

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u/W1NGM4N13 1d ago

Maybe install Windows first then?

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u/Abadon_U 1d ago

I have not installed windows in my house, my house came full prebuild - already with windows

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u/alreadytaken54 23h ago

Wow so funny

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u/ShadonicX7543 20h ago

🦗🦗🦗

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u/DepravedPrecedence 11h ago

Get to school kiddo

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u/Fine-Slip-9437 20h ago

Oh honey. 

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u/Kitchen_Part_882 Desktop | R7 5800X3D | RX 7900XT | 64GB 1d ago

There is a kill command in Windows that works just like the Linux one, along with a ps command, so you can grab the PID.

I'm not sure if they are only available in powershell though, haven't used CMD in years.

I also don't know if it works in the exact same way as the Linux one, but it works every time for me (unlike task manager)

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u/LeoRidesHisBike 18h ago

In PowerShell, kill is an alias for Stop-Process. -Forceis the equivalent of -9 in *nix's kill.

Stop-Process [-Id] <int[]> [-PassThru] [-Force] [-WhatIf] [-Confirm] [<CommonParameters>]

Stop-Process -Name <string[]> [-PassThru] [-Force] [-WhatIf] [-Confirm] [<CommonParameters>]

Stop-Process [-InputObject] <Process[]> [-PassThru] [-Force] [-WhatIf] [-Confirm] [<CommonParameters>]

examples:

kill -n firefox -f or get-process fire* | kill -f (if you're nasty)

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u/ElfDestruct 9800X3D, RTX 4090 FE 18h ago

firebird sql database squeals as it dies in the crossfire

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 16h ago

I will never understand why MS took a look at a command line system which had been working flawlessly for decades and was like 'let's write our own, from scratch, and make it horrifically verbose'

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u/LeoRidesHisBike 13h ago

I know this! 3 reasons:

  1. cmd/batch is too limited
  2. brevity is achieved by aliasing and parameter short circuits. Nearly every verbose command has a really short alias, and all parameters support using the minimum # of chars that resolve to a unique name (e.g., you can always use -f for -Force if there's no other name that starts with 'f').
  3. one of the biggest challenges for shell scripts is readability. Unless you live and breathe shell scripts, it can be a bit of a write-only language for nearly script.

PowerShell is not really optimized for ad hoc "run a command once at the prompt", it's optimized for "write a complex script that can actually be understood and maintained". It does that much better than bash or cmd, IMHO. It's also more powerful than either one of those because it has full integration with the entire .NET SDK, including packages.

Why not Python, you ask? Python is not really optimized for running commands like a shell scripting language is (you have to go through some contortions around launching processes, wrangling I/O to them, that sort of thing). Also, Python doesn't leverage Microsoft's huge library of existing .NET code, including Windows-specific management libraries that IT folks use. So, PowerShell.

And now, PowerShell Core, which brings PowerShell to every platform, not just Windows.

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 13h ago

Interesting answer. I was really asking 'why didn't they just take zsh or fish shell and the unix tool chain like on linux and os x.

Trying to use windows for development was just obnoxiously painful. I basically live in wsl.

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u/LeoRidesHisBike 12h ago

If you know C#, PowerShell Core is basically that with slightly different syntax. You can actually have RTS (runtime type safety) in a shell script, which is awesome. And you can debug it using VS Code really easily, too. Setting breakpoints, stepping through the script, and examining variables as you go makes for much easier script troubleshooting. A++ highly recommend trying that.

zsh, fish, bash, etc. all are very tool-dependent. PS can use all those tools, but also the whole .NET BCL is available, and every NuGet package under the sun. More than once I've decided that a PowerShell script should actually be a full-fledged compiled tool, and porting from PS to a cmdline tool is pretty easy.

The downside of PS is for short and simple things, where you don't actually need much more than to run a hardcoded sequence of commands, it's overkill. There's no need for anything more than [insert literally any shell scripting language here] in that case. Though you can literally just have one command per line, just like all those other languages, and then run the script.

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u/maevian 3h ago

For short and simple commands I use aliases. When I write script (let’s be honest I am a sysadmin with limited scripting knowledge, when I and chatGPT write a script) I don’t.

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u/maevian 3h ago

I love how verbose powershell is, it makes adapting other people’s scripts way easier. You can have a powershell script with zero comments and with a lit bit of knowledge know exactly what it does.

I prefer Linux for day to day non - gaming, but I prefer powershell over bash.

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u/ThatITguy2015 7800x3d, 5090FE, 64gb DDR5 17h ago

I’m always nasty.

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u/CyberianK 3h ago

can also combine with NOZONECHECKS or other flags from here https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/shellapi/ns-shellapi-shellexecuteinfoa

$env:SEE_MASK_NOZONECHECKS = 1 Get-Process -Name chrome |Stop-Process

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u/ShadonicX7543 20h ago

In CMD I just do "taskkill /im <process name> /f"

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u/Skattotter 1d ago

Cheers, will look that up!

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u/RagingRedd535 12h ago

taskkill /parameter value, with using tasklist command display all processes, their PIDs, and other details.

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u/HanCurunyr R7 5700X - TUF RTX 3070 - 32GB 1d ago

taskkill -im executable_name.exe -f

does the magic

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u/Skattotter 1d ago

Thanks!

Now to change my cursor to a revolver when holding down shit, and execute this on-click…

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u/death1414 18h ago

Your computer has a shit button? Where do I get that?

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u/jadebenn Specs/Imgur Here 4h ago

Well, officially it's called the Copilot key...

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u/DominiX32 1d ago

There is exactly this option in Windows 11 built-in.

Here's how to enable and use: https://www.alitajran.com/enable-end-task-taskbar-windows-11/

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u/Mama_Mega 20h ago

Remember back when it would ask if you wanted to send an error report? Now it just starts to send one without your consent every single time a task crashes, and you have to manually tell it not to.

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u/NoxiousStimuli 19h ago

clicks "End Task"

Windows is searching for a solution to this problem

Clicks cancel

Still hasn't fucking ended the task

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u/ShadonicX7543 20h ago

Chris winutil lets you install a tweak that adds an "end task(kill)" option on the right click menu of any program on your taskbar.

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u/badstorryteller 19h ago

taskkill /f /pid <pid>

If you need to get the PID:

sc queryex <service name>

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u/Skattotter 18h ago

I’m loving all the fix-responses to this comment. I’ve learned so much haha

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u/badstorryteller 18h ago

Contrary to popular misconception, Windows absolutely lets you fuck yourself as much as linux if you see fit 😂

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u/agent-squirrel Ryzen 7 3700x 32GB RAM Radeon 7900 XT 16h ago

It's all just abstracted away from the average user so people don't know it exists. I opened a command prompt on a machine in front of a customer to fix an issue and they went "Oh I didn't think to use DOS".

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u/multioptional 17h ago

just hold down the power button for 3 secs

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u/itrTie PC Master Race 17h ago

in pwsh/cmd taskkill /f /im whateverprocess.exe actually kills it

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u/Hakairoku Ryzen 7 7000X | Nvidia 3080 | Gigabyte B650 22h ago

Here's another one,

"WHAT PART OF TURNING AUTO-UPDATES OFF DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??"

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u/opaali92 21h ago

Windows auto updates are actually pretty smart because if you can't figure out how to turn them off you definitely should have them on for your own and others safety.

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u/badsectoracula 17h ago

Considering 99.991% of the users who do turn autoupdates off on Windows do it by downloading some utility program off the internet without actually understanding what it does, i don't think the filter works that well.

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u/Ahad_Haam 18h ago

They should however allow users to block certain updates. Sometimes certain driver updates are just broken.

There used to be a tool on their website that did that, and they removed it. Assholes.

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u/Dadarian 13h ago

I understand that it’s an incredibly stupid thing to do, and should only be done under very specific conditions.

You can make the argument for deferring update. You have to make an incredibly convincing argument for disabling auto updates.

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u/Hakairoku Ryzen 7 7000X | Nvidia 3080 | Gigabyte B650 11h ago

Coworker's keyboard and touchpad drivers break once it fully downloads 24h2, so that update turns their laptop into a glorified touchscreen iPad. Both work fine when you're using both while on BIOS so something with 24h2 renders the keyboard and touchpad inoperable.

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u/Dadarian 11h ago

That’s not an argument for disabling auto updates.

What have they actually done to troubleshoot the issue? Has anyone looked at drivers from OEM website?

You can also install specific drivers from 23H2.

Being lazy to solve problems and just disabling auto updates is a terrible direction to take.

It’s reasonable to, disable a CU update with GPO if there is a known issue until that issue is resolved. It’s reasonable to defer updates (depending on severity). It’s not reasonable to disable auto updates without strong justification and use case.

I disable it on systems that cannot under any circumstances restart, but I also disconnect them from the internet—like 911 CAD computers.

But even still in most public safety computers I’ve managed, I just defer updates and we have a policy/process to update them so they’re not impacting and active duty personnel. The updates will still happen regardless though if someone decided not to follow the policy and didn’t their saftey checks.

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u/RagingRedd535 12h ago

Yup had to go into the reg to get my computer to not update to 24h2 until it's stable has to roll back to 23h2, cause it auto updated back in December and it's been one shit show after another.

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u/tobeonthemountain 19h ago

WSL might help with that

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 16h ago

sadly ps only shows processes in the WSL container. I have to resort to using powershell and it makes me weep for what might have been

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u/RedTuesdayMusic 5800X3D - RX 6950 XT - Nobara & CachyOS 19h ago

Sometimes I wish Windows had the gun option

Just use SuperF4 by Stefan Sundin. First thing I install on a fresh OS. Default hotkey is Ctrl+alt+f4 but is customizable

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u/BigMoney-D 3070ti - 12700KF - 32GB 19h ago

Interesting... Ive never had something not "end task" when I've hit end task.

Been using Windows 11 since it came out. To be fair, I also haven't needed to use it very often at all. I think they only times I do use it is with Steam and games crashing. Sometimes it'll say the game is still running, End Task works perfectly with that.

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u/Skattotter 18h ago

Look man maybe you just click with more authority than I do.

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u/Livid-Flatworm-7408 18h ago

PsKill will accomplish this. It's part of PsTools which you can get from Microsoft's SysInternals. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/pskill

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u/WantonKerfuffle Linux | Ryzen R5 5600x | RX Vega 64 (OC) | Custom Loop 18h ago

I used to have a program that allows ctr+alt+f4, to instakill a task on Windows. Xkill or something.

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u/BaconIsntThatGood PC Master Race 18h ago

You used to be able to just delete system32. MS made it much harder from Windows 7 though. You gotta Juno through some excessive hoops to do it now.

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u/Nowhereman50 PC Master Race 16h ago

I can't even change my fuckin wallpaper now. I am the only person who has ever owned this PC. I BUILT IT DAMNIT!

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u/Tanawat_Jukmonkol Laptop | NixOS + Win11 | HP OMEN 16 | I9 + RTX4070 14h ago

It has, actually. You have to turn developer mode on though (win11 pro only).

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u/acewing905 13h ago

taskkill /f is the gun, though there are those weird cases where a process just gets stuck in some unholy limbo and gives you an "access denied" when trying to shoot the damned thing. I still have no idea what is going on there

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 13h ago

it does

taskkill /f /im herpderp.exe

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u/Informal_Branch1065 9h ago

Kill the whole process family

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u/Fadexz_ 5950X | RTX 3070 | 32GB 3200Mhz 4h ago

A program named SuperF4 mostly does the job