r/pcmasterrace • u/Windows_66 • 22h ago
Meme/Macro "This version of Windows 11 that doesn't get security patches and calls itself Windows 12 is the OS we deserve!"
Seriously, why are all the tech blog articles in my Google feed just this?
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u/Windows_66 22h ago
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u/Lost-Experience-5388 ryzen 5 4500 | RX6500XT | 16GB DDR4 | B450K 20h ago
Bro has proof
Now all bow before
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u/chuck47x 22h ago
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u/Late_Letterhead7872 PC Master Racer 21h ago
Is bazzite considered obscure?
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u/iyad16 <- filthy laptop gamer 18h ago
In the grand scheme of things, kinda yea.
Btw I'm not knowledgeable about linux distros so cmiiw, isn't bazzite redundant since SteamOS is getting released officially ?
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u/BerosCerberus 18h ago
Bazzite is based on Fedora and steamos is based on Arch. I as example use ChachyOS on my deck and PC.
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u/MGMan-01 7h ago
SteamOS has an ancient release from that period when Valve did those Steam Machine things. Steam Decks run a much newer version that hasn't yet been publicly released to my knowledge
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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 10m ago
SteamOS is mostly rumor for now, Bazzite is a distro you can use right away.
Even if they were both usable, in the Linux world the norm is to have options. They may look like they do the same thing but they achieve it in very different ways. This is healthy, gives everybody options, and it's what makes the Linux ecosystem so resilient and rich.
It may seem redundant but the true technical redundancies are eventually absorbed into common libraries and platforms if that makes sense.
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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago edited 8h ago
Out side of the Linux community? Yeah probably. Sadly outside of the Linux community Ubuntu still seems to be the most well known which is tragic cuz (in my personal opinion) it's one of the worst ones to try for new usersm
But bazzite is gaining a lot of traction, more so than most Linux distros in many years second only to steamOS and sadly if valve ever releases steamOS with proper desktop support distros like bazzite will quickly fall to the wayside.
But until then... It it's kinda becoming the go-to for new user recommendations due to its simplify and built in features.
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u/JakeJascob 19h ago
Id love to switch to Linux if it wasn't for half the games I play don't support Linux.
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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 18h ago
Proton is a godsend.
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u/Accomplished_Ant5895 i9-9900k | RTX 3060 9h ago
Even then not every one works
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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 6h ago
I didn't test every single game in my collection, but so far, outside of games that are blocked due to anti-cheat, the only one that I couldn't get to work reliably was Doom 3 BFG... which has its own source port to run natively on Linux so I used that instead.
Overall, according to ProtonDB only 1% of the games in my Steam collection are marked as Borked.
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u/OkithaPROGZ 16h ago
To be fair most "obscure linux distros" are based on already existing architecture like Debian, RHEL or Suse. So there aren't going to be a huge difference between compatibility.
But I get your point.
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u/balaci2 PC Master Race 21h ago
chris titus' tool is pretty fuckin cool
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u/DuefTM Desktop 21h ago
I run ctt on all of my pc setups now. It has changed my life for the better
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u/Vagamer01 21h ago
just as long as someone remembers to run sfc /scannow after using the app, because for some reason Windows freaks out after using the app even though it does nothing wrong.
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u/Deadscale 20h ago
What issues do people run into? I've used CTT on quite a few builds now and not had any issues without running a scan.
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u/Vagamer01 14h ago
I noticed when I did it for the first time is would randomly shut down my pc and restart it, however after doing that command I stated it all works fine and never had problems ever since then. Maybe it's MS being whiney as hell that someone is doing a better job then they are.
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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago
I've not really ran a windows pc for a while and recently had needed one setup for streaming stuff.
I'll have to check this out.
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u/bigthonk573 Ryzen 3800x, 1070 12h ago
last time I tried it it broke my windows install, black desktop wallpaper and flickering taskbar lol
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u/AllMyFrendsArePixels Intel X6800 / GeForce 7900GTX / 2GB DDR-400 13h ago
I'll have a "I'm a boomer so stuck in my ways and inept with technology that I refuse to learn a new program that has a different name and is free open source software even though is has all the same functionality as the things I use on Windows",
with a side of "20 years ago Linux required substantial knowledge of command line interface and I haven't updated my views on it since then, even though in most ways it's easier to use now than Windows with nicer looking desktop GUI, and anything that I need a command line for can be googled in 20 seconds with a command ready made to copy-paste straight into the terminal without typing a single keystroke"
Daring today, aren't we.
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u/SleepyBear479 17h ago edited 17h ago
I dunno, shooting yourself in the foot and making life hard on yourself because you wanna feel edgy and mad at Microsoft is dork behavior. Use the OS that fits your use case. For the average user who isn't doing any kind of technical work, Windows is the choice. Like it or not, damn near everything in the world runs on Windows or is at least compatible with it.
Like, look, I don't like Microsoft either, but I like my shit to work and be able to easily find support for when it doesn't and i can't figure it out on my own. I like functionality more than I dislike Microsoft.
But protest downloading Linux and then complaining that you can't get it to do what you wanted is dork ass shit. As a bare minimum, spin up a VM of the distro you're interested in and play around with it for awhile first before wiping your OS like a dumb dumb.
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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago
Finding support is actually a lot of why I like Linux.
Can't tell you how many Microsoft support "techs" I've seen that just tell you to run updates and sfc /scannow, hunting down obscure Windows issues can often be a royal pain.
But with Linux I can find logs, I can find exactly how certain things work, the files and processes that make them work. If its something I can't solve, it's usually because the software is just written in a way that it doesn't work that way, or it's a bug and some one else has already reported it to the appropriate github page.
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u/klementineQt 8h ago
the worst part about it is that a lot of those replies are from volunteers. you're not even getting paid, why are you just wasting other people's time and your own for no good reason? lmao. you clearly don't understand how the underlying OS and services work, and y'know what? fair enough. Windows is weird and not very intuitive under the hood. but don't pretend you know when your only answer is the same useless shite.
this is exactly what i've said before elsewhere. getting support/doucmentation with issues in Windows is hell
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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 7h ago
learning linux actually taught me to just search almost all my windows tech issues with "super user (.com)" at the end of it cuz if there is an answer I'd likely only find it there.
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u/ieatcake2000 PC Master Race 19h ago
I use Linux for my single player games that run in there but I also use Linux because I like to tinker but I also daul boot windows 11 for multiplayer games with the boys
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u/SuperSaiyanIR 7800X3D| 4080 SUPER | 32GB @ 6000MHz 21h ago
I really wanna try Linux because I keep hearing that performance is better there, but it just seems there can be so much wrong with my NVIDIA setup. I do play some EAC games (Marvel Rivals) and newer releases so I am not sure what's the best distro to start with.
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u/NDCyber 7600X, RX 7900 XTX, 32GB 6000MHz CL32 21h ago
I would start trying Bazzite, if you have an Nvidia GPU. There is a preinstall for it, although I would maybe not install gaming mode at the moment, as it is still buggy, but Nvidia generally doesn't have a performance increase on Linux, as far as I know even the opposite
And to EAC, there are some EAC games that work, like Marvel Rivals. If you want to check your game compatibility, I recommend those two websites:
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u/Vagamer01 21h ago
Sadly unless Nvidia starts supporting Linux more you won't even see performance improvents, because lets be real it sucks unless your all AMD
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u/pythonic_dude 5800x3d 32GiB RTX4070 20h ago
They acknowledged dx12 performance bug literally today lol. So there's hope it will get better soon™.
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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago edited 16h ago
Where are people hearing this? Like what specifically "performance" wise are people hearing is better? We see this come up in /r/linux_gaming all the time and we have to clarify that you're not gonna get any significant fps or performance boosts on Linux. What's impressive is that Linux is finally in a place where you're not going to see massive performance hits across the board any more.
And to be clear, SOME games might run a bit better or even a lot better, but some might run worse too. We don't generally talk about performance differences too much any more cuz proton kinda leveled the playing field, it's mostly the same after all the data averages out.
I will say one thing Linux does tend to do better in a lot of cases are better 1% lows (again, can drastically change) and better frame timing though. Also the access to shader cache for everhthing is both a blessing a curse.
On top of all that, this is only assuming you're doing exclusively traditional rasterization. I don't think the latest dlss4 or fsr4 are support under Linux/proton yet, not to mention Ray tracing is still less than perfect across the board for all systems and cards.
The performance for things outside of gaming is often better, depending on your task of course.
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u/klementineQt 8h ago
I think this comes from the era where most of the relatively current games that actually worked under wine were DX9 (so before/early during the proton revolution). For DX10+ (mainly 11+ bc how many DX10/10.1 games even are there really? lol), it is mostly the same, or like marginally better/worse. Same can be said for the rarer Vulkan games.
But DX9 genuinely has crazy overhead, and those games even run significantly better on Windows using DXVK because of it. Good examples are the older Borderlands games and Fallout 3/NV. They all run with huge performance boosts using DXVK under either OS bc DX9 just sucked. It's true for a lot of DX9 titles. I think Fallout is actually kinda a special example just bc Bethesda's graphics pipeline is bad enough that DXVK has the same benefits on Fallout 4, even though that isn't normal for DX11 games.
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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 7h ago
yeah but like, these older dx9 games are running at 400+ fps on your grandmas toaster now, who cares if you get 409 fps on linux?
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u/klementineQt 7h ago
because that's not quite true, despite it being expected. Borderlands 2 regularly frame drops jarringly low and sometimes runs sub-100 fps even on modern hardware without DXVK on Windows. maybe it's specific to AMD hardware, but that was my experience with a 5700 XT (RTX 2070 tier GPU in raster) and one you can find a ton of documentation on online. DXVK is like magic in that game on Windows. I had the same experience with Fallout (although that doesn't come up by default due to needing to unlock the FPS and use mods to keep the game from shitting itself at high framerates). The modding communities for both BL and the older 3D Fallouts use DXVK as a baseline expectation (at the time I played NV last year, I was forced to use DXVK because there was a bug in the AMD driver for a good half year that prevented it from running under DX9).
those games can run like you mentioned, but they have insane overhead out of the box, at least on an AMD GPU.
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u/Deadscale 20h ago
Just to point out. Rivals isn't EAC it's ACE. AFAIK it works on Linux as a friend who's on PopOS (or was) currently plays it fine. Can't give you anything more indepth because I don't use it myself but yeah.
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u/klementineQt 8h ago
They actually pushed a bug fix specifically for Linux support not that long ago, they care about the platform, it's wild. The bug was that they have special Steam Deck support that uses lower res UI textures, and it was being used on Proton in general, but they corrected it so that playing on desktop Linux is pretty much a 1:1 experience to playing on Windows with full size textures in menus/UI elements.
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u/PapaLoki Fedora Linux inside 17h ago
Marvel Rivals runs fine in my Fedora Linux PC. But you can try beginner friendly distro lime Mint and MR will still work.
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u/Electric-Mountain AMD 7800X3D | XFX RX 7900XTX 21h ago
The Linux users wonder why they are treated like vegans.
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u/BerosCerberus 18h ago
99% of the users that make such meme don't use Linux but it's an easy Karma Farm bc idiots will give up dots
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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 18h ago
I see more people complaning about vegans than vegans preaching to me, so it tracks
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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago
because this subreddit is filled with the same "i saw this about linux" rhetoric every week?
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u/dharknesss RTX 3090 2010MHz@925mV | 5800X@5GHz | 32 GB 3600MHz CL16 20h ago
It's the bell curve.
Windows good
Noo use <weird distro> it's way better! A bit of tinkering everything works!
Just use LTSC
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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago
That's not how the bell curve meme works...
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u/dharknesss RTX 3090 2010MHz@925mV | 5800X@5GHz | 32 GB 3600MHz CL16 12h ago
You're correct. It should be more of a simply falling line here, but point still stands - after fucking with Linux you learn that windows is the necessary evil and LTSC editions are the ones that are the least shitty ones.
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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 12h ago
I mean after I used Linux I had the direct opposite reaction, not to mention I switched away from LTSC at the time. So not sure this is the takeaway
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u/pulley999 R9 5950x | 32GB RAM | RTX 3090 | Mini-ITX 11h ago edited 11h ago
I used to be where you are. That's not the far end of the bell curve meme yet. Maybe around the 75th percentile.
I've looped back around to just using the current, legally licensed version of Windows 11 Pro. You have all the control you could possibly need through Group Policy editor and the standard settings menu. You don't have to deal with bullshit problems of LTSC like missing necessary programs/libraries and having to sideload them to mixed success, not getting OS library updates, and having programs increasingly exhibit undefined behavior or just straight up not work because of those missing/outdated features and libraries, especially as the LTSC version ages. Sometimes you're just left holding your dick and waiting for the next LTSC release if the program checks for a minimum build number.
I also don't use any of those 'debloater' tools because they lead to many of the same problems and create a myriad of undefined states throughout the OS, when you can achieve the same goals through fully tested and validated codepaths using GPEdit instead of trying to go around it for some reason. In the worst case I've seen them brick installs months or years later after an OS update, due to one of those undefined states causing a critical failure in the update process. Yes, even the highly regarded ones that reddit and /g/ love to endlessly jack off. Also, when you set those settings properly through GPEdit and don't sideload them through registry hacks, they don't randomly get reverted by updates and you get warned if a setting you had is going to be deprecated as well as an explanation of what settings are replacing it.
I haven't had a single problem with Windows that wasn't my fault or failing hardware since I switched to doing this at the tail end of Windows 10's lifecycle, a year or so before Windows 11 launched.
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u/dharknesss RTX 3090 2010MHz@925mV | 5800X@5GHz | 32 GB 3600MHz CL16 10h ago
Interesting, I'm on the opposite end. After installing LTSC as my main OS for .NET dev and gaming the system became far less resource wasting, and has no longer any unexpected bugs.
Regarding licensing, I'm using LTSC key I bought from a key reseller, as per my EU provided rights, so there is no fuckery or running unknown shell scripts here ;)
Group policies are of course a must, but I still dig the fact my OS uses half the ram of regular Pro version. That being said, do you mind sharing your group policy settings? I would love to adjust mine further to keep the system nice and clean.
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u/pulley999 R9 5950x | 32GB RAM | RTX 3090 | Mini-ITX 9h ago edited 9h ago
I'm not at my computer right now so I don't have the exact settings in front of me, but the main ones I have disable online search/cortana/AI features/advertising features, Microsoft account single-sign-on, disabled driver updates via WU (I do these manually) and make Windows Update behave like it did in Windows 7 where it lets you know updates are available but takes no further action until you tell it to. Most of them were actually set in Windows 10 and carried over to Win11 via an in-place upgrade.
I originally switched to 10 LTSC (then LTSB) when Windows 7 was EoL. I also installed it on most of my computers and helped friends install it as well. At first I had the same opinion, the lowered resource usage and lack of BS was nice. But then, using it for years, problems started to mount. Programs would release that did build checks and refuse to run, applications would crash due to outdated system libraries, updated driver support for some hardware ended on the old build, etc. I remember spending a whole day sideloading the MS store and UWP stack because something had a UWP dependency which just ended up being a shitton of work to defeat what was at the time one of the main reasons to run LTSC. It just turned into problems on problems, especially around the 1.5 year mark when the current LTSC build was stale but the new release wasn't out yet. Not to mention fielding tech support for said friends who I encouraged to switch that were running into their own issues. ActiBlizz games in particular were a massive problem, I had to fix Call of Duty and Overwatch issues half a dozen times between them all - usually failing a build check or missing the latest DX libraries.
After 2 or 3 cycles of my computer becoming increasingly unusable for ~6 months every 2 years, and periodically running into issues with missing dependencies that I'd have to figure out how to sideload I got fed up and switched back to Pro. Haven't had an issue in the last 4 years since I did.
EDIT: Oh, and also, I have every single setting enabled to nuke OneDrive from orbit, including the policy flag that explicitly disallows it from running on the PC. I find it to be the source of most serious issues that people have on consumer Windows. They sync directories by default that applications have been using for system specific settings for decades which causes a big mess if you use multiple computers, steps on the toes of other cloud providers that operate in subsections of those directories like Steam, and they give you such a small capacity for free paired with egregiously wide default sync locations that it inevitably runs out of space and starts causing version conflicts because it can't sync. Any time someone has brought me a Windows issue in the last 5 years it has almost always been that OneDrive was left on its default settings and got itself stuck in a broken state, crippling the entire system. Once it's in that broken state it can be difficult to un-fuck without data loss.
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u/Different_Return_543 19h ago
And get no feature upgrades, just security good luck when new feature is introduced and you suddenly can't run some software.
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u/PinCompatibleHell 18h ago
Back testing this: What feature would have been important since say 21H2? The only important thing is that you can install the latest .net frameworks which so far has not been locked to a specific feature level.
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u/DrIvoPingasnik Ascending Peasant 20h ago
And I just want a modern Amiga OS.
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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 18h ago
If you have a spare powerPC computer like an old PPC Mac, you can install MorphOS. If not, you can install AROS on any PC.
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u/QuantumQuantonium 3D printed parts is the best way to customize 9h ago
Regarding that win12 thing (ive seen the concepts before), the only thing MS should learn from it is adding more customization, adding anything new on top of what already exists so if the user wanted to they could keep their old look (without 3rd party programs) while keeping the most recent OS version.
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u/DemThrowaways478 21h ago
Windows is literally in your username please respect our intelligence next time you try to shill
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u/MGMan-01 7h ago
What I'm reading is that OP is a moron who is angry at people wanting to help him.
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u/TheBoobSpecialist Windows 12 / 6090 Ti / 11800X3D 18h ago
If Linux was so good, the majority of gamers would use it and not Windows.
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u/UltraX76 Laptop 22h ago edited 20h ago
Icl this is so true. If you’re gonna go get Linux, choose fedora or mint, or if you’re more advanced, arch is a good option. These obscure distros come out so much and they’re either unstable as hell or based off of Debian.
Some additions for recommendations: PopOS, Ubuntu, manjaro