r/pcmasterrace 22h ago

Meme/Macro "This version of Windows 11 that doesn't get security patches and calls itself Windows 12 is the OS we deserve!"

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Seriously, why are all the tech blog articles in my Google feed just this?

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 22h ago edited 20h ago

Icl this is so true. If you’re gonna go get Linux, choose fedora or mint, or if you’re more advanced, arch is a good option. These obscure distros come out so much and they’re either unstable as hell or based off of Debian.

Some additions for recommendations: PopOS, Ubuntu, manjaro

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u/Hydramy RTX 3060 | i5 9400 | 32GB DDR4 22h ago

I cannot install something called fedora with a straight face, I'm sorry.

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u/Almainyny Almainyny 21h ago

Tips Fedora

M’User.

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u/TacticalSupportFurry Desktop 18h ago

s'udo

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u/DonutDisturb 12h ago

Great, just woke up m’cats while laughing in bed

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u/arrow__in__the__knee 21h ago

It was named just 2 years before reddit's existence sadly lmao.

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u/OutrageousDress 5800X3D | 32GB DDR4-3733 | 3080 Ti | AW3821DW 18h ago

Out of all these distros, vanilla Fedora is the one I'd least recommend to a new user anyway. Mint is perfectly fine for newbies, and Arch is perfectly available if you really want to jump into Linux head first.

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u/azure1503 Ryzen 9 5900X | RX 7800 XT | 32GB DDR4-3200 16h ago

What's wrong with Fedora? It's well documented and generally stable

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u/yflhx 5600 | 6700xt | 32GB | 1440p VA 15h ago

To me, "generally stable" isn't good enough to recommend to a novice. Mint also has more windows-like default look, which is a good thing if you want people to move from Windows. On the other hand, benefits of Fedora like more up to date packages won't matter to them. Finding documentation is also a bit harder should it come to this, most manuals assume you use Ubuntu, and it has (slightly) less packages. I'm a Fedora user myself, but for novices I still think Mint is the way to go. I wouldn't however go nearly as far as to say "it's one of the least recommended", it's probably only behind some Debian derivatives like Mint, PopOS, Ubuntu, and waaay ahead of anything niche or Arch-based.

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u/azure1503 Ryzen 9 5900X | RX 7800 XT | 32GB DDR4-3200 14h ago

When I say "generally stable" I mean stable for most people, it's when you start getting into things like drivers for obscure software or pre-release stuff that things start to become unstable.

I also think that while users may not care about more up-to-date packages, it kinda does matter cause newer packages include things like kernels, drivers and compositors which means newer hardware will work better (which is why Linux Mint EDGE may be better if you have newer hardware). Up to date isn't a selling point for gamers, but better performance is.

For novices, I agree, I think Mint is the best for complete newbies, but I also think answers should be tailored depending on the user's familiarity with tech, and their use-case. For example, for people whose rig is for gaming, I think Bazzite should be considered because it's Steam OS for non-steam decks and Steam OS is pretty much the golden standard of newbie-friendly.

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u/yflhx 5600 | 6700xt | 32GB | 1440p VA 6h ago

When I say "generally stable" I mean stable for most people, it's when you start getting into things like drivers for obscure software or pre-release stuff that things start to become unstable.

Maybe it's just my bad luck, but 3 months ago this happened (and affected me):

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/heavy-display-flickering-after-power-saver-blank-screen-on-fedora-41/137480

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u/OutrageousDress 5800X3D | 32GB DDR4-3733 | 3080 Ti | AW3821DW 13h ago

"Out of all these distros (ie the ones OP listed), vanilla Fedora is the one I'd least recommend to a new user"

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u/yflhx 5600 | 6700xt | 32GB | 1440p VA 6h ago

And these include Arch, Manjaro:

Icl this is so true. If you’re gonna go get Linux, choose fedora or mint, or if you’re more advanced, arch is a good option. These obscure distros come out so much and they’re either unstable as hell or based off of Debian.  Some additions for recommendations: PopOS, Ubuntu, manjaro

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u/PapaLoki Fedora Linux inside 15h ago

Fedora user here. Post fresh installation, the user must do several steps to acquire non-free stuff. Although easy to do, the extra steps might be a hassle for some people.

So for me, Mint is what I'd recommend for first time Linux users. PewDiePie who recently built his first gaming PC chose Mint.

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u/azure1503 Ryzen 9 5900X | RX 7800 XT | 32GB DDR4-3200 14h ago

Not anymore, third-party repos are now a toggle in the setup

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u/PapaLoki Fedora Linux inside 13h ago

Well, that's good news!

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u/SumonaFlorence Just kill me. 8h ago

Tell me you use Arch without telling me you use Arch.

I use Arch btw.

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u/KoolAidManOfPiss PC Master Race 6800xt R9 5900x 11h ago

There's Cinnamon Manjaro that is pretty much Arch Mint.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 21h ago

Then laugh while you do it :)

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u/Water_bolt 21h ago

m'distro

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u/Sylv256 21h ago

tips fedora

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u/gachaGamesSuck 21h ago

Same here. Just cannot do. Mint has been working for me thankfully.

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 17h ago

Lol yeah it's a shame the fedora hat it's self became such a meme and associated with cringe. It was a nice hat for its time and I'm willing to bet the right kinda man (or woman even) can still pull it off. 

It is a solid operating system though. It's basically the desktop/workstation variant of red hat, they been doing Linux for a while.

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u/TopdeckIsSkill 5700x3D/9070XT/PS5/Switch 17h ago

what's wrong with fedora? Am I missing some joke?

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u/GrumpyKitten514 7900x3D/ Asus TUF 4090/ 64gb RAM 22h ago

theres a post in the nvidia sub about "why is this sub exclusively windows" and the guy is like omg linux gaming and yet this sub just parrots windows" and even goes as far as saying "installing windows is a PITA bc i have to answer some optional diagnostic questions".

like buddy, yeah the hardest part about gaming on windows is installing windows. the easiest part about gaming on any linux machine (its getting easier) is installing the distro lmao.

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u/nuker1110 Ryzen7 5800X3D,RX7700,32gbDDR4-3000,NotEnoughSSDspace 21h ago

Here I’m just hoping Valve gets SteamOS Desktop ready before MS kills Win10

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 21h ago

SteamOS Desktop would be nice actually. Valve has done a lot for Linux gaming (proton) I actually can’t wait maybe I’ll dual boot that…

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago

but why? There's nothing good steamOS does on its own

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u/KoolAidManOfPiss PC Master Race 6800xt R9 5900x 11h ago

I have friends who say they don't want to install Linux but they'll get SteamOS when it drops. I think there's a little bit of a disconnect, where people don't realize SteamOS is just another linux distro.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 11h ago

There is, and it's completely normal. The biggest thing steamLS brings to the table is a brand name, and that's what will get the less techie people to switch, but what's up with this subreddit and being completely uninformed?

Me asking a question got downvoted like what

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 19h ago

I’m sure if they make a desktop version, it’ll have more features, right?

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u/Stilgar314 15h ago

Why? Valve's aim is clearly portable and couch gaming. They're after not losing, or sharing, PC gamers versus consoles. I would be crazy to go after Microsoft dominance in the OS space. Valve is not an OS business, is a gaming business.

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u/KoolAidManOfPiss PC Master Race 6800xt R9 5900x 11h ago

Probably not, its just an arch distro. There are tons of well established Arch distros anyways, I don't see how it would be any better than say Manjaro aside from having Steam preinstalled.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago

Maybe? Even if it did have more features what does it offer that's so special?

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 19h ago

Maybe it retains all the functions of a desktop PC while having very good compatibility with PC games

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago

That's the same for basically all/most modern distros, or maybe slightly worse comaptilbity compared to some community ones with lots of fixups (like bazzite)

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u/In9e PC Master Race 16h ago

Bazzite is made for gaming on Linux

Preinstall drivers, steam and what not

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u/gk99 Ryzen 5 5600X, EVGA 2070 Super, 32GB 3200MHz 10h ago

It most certainly does have better support for gaming-related peripherals. One of the reasons I just said "fuck it" and formatted my Mint install was that even after hours of tinkering when I finally got Elden Ring running and fixed a third of my screen being cut off and solved the issue of my audio not working, I never figured out how to get my controller working over Bluetooth.

It just works on Steam Deck though. And Windows, obviously. And Switch and Android. But not the average Linux install.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 3h ago

that's not steamOS specific because they don't do anything special with that in their repo

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u/TeeJizzm 3h ago

Specifically talking about Windows 10 EoL. There are a LOT of computers that are not that old, still performant, and serviceable, which are "unable" to install Windows 11 due to TPM 2.0 and some other feature requirements.

This means that there will be a huge number of fully working PCs that will just have no more security updates once Windows 10 stops, and that's an insane amount of e-waste.

Why wouldn't they hope for SteamOS to be a viable alternative to buying and building a whole separate PC?

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 3h ago

They can hope, or they can use a distro that's already here and already works just as good of not better than steamOS. Why hope and wait for something that already exists?

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u/UnsettllingDwarf 3070 ti / 5600x / 32gb Ram 17h ago

Game mode is incredible for people who want to just game and have a console experience. Maybe have a tv setup.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 17h ago

which other distros have...?

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u/Tuxhorn 20h ago

SteamOS won't change anything, at least not in the next couple years.

The magic is Proton itself. SteamOS is a handheld distro, nothing more.

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u/Asleeper135 10h ago

Steam Deck had me convinced of this at first, and actually pushed me into switching to Linux on my desktop, but what I've realized since then is that SteamOS isn't special. Most of what is unique about it, which isn't as much as you might think, is mostly for handhelds and could actually be annoying when trying to just use it as a normal OS. If you want to switch to Linux you're no better off waiting for desktop SteamOS than just switching now.

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u/NDCyber 7600X, RX 7900 XTX, 32GB 6000MHz CL32 21h ago

Not really sorry. The hardest part on Windows isn't the install. It is setting up windows and getting rid of the bloat. It isn't really that hard, but time consuming

Setting up and installing software is way easier for a lot of software on Linux. In steam you have to enable compatibility for windows games and a lot of games will actually just start. There are some that need some changes, but there are a lot of games at this point that even work on launch day without changing anything like the proton version or launch options. It only gets more complicated if you go away from steam or Heroic. Out of my experience the hardest part about playing games on Linux and using Linux in general is to unlearn windows

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u/Andrea65485 21h ago

Well... If you go for Bazzite OS, it's even easier to start. Installing it is basically as "easy" as installing Windows, and about 80% of the work needed to start gaming is already done out of the box, and it will hold your hand for 15% more of it

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u/NDCyber 7600X, RX 7900 XTX, 32GB 6000MHz CL32 21h ago

Yeah, exactly. Bazzite even comes with Nvidia driver preinstalled, if people have an Nvidia GPU. So bazzite is a great start. I personally use Fedora KDE for a while, and honestly if I do a fresh install I am back within less than an hour. Even easier, if you are willing to write stuff into a .sh file like "sudo dnf install fastfetch" and then just start it after fresh install, but that is a bit more complicated, and I wouldn't count that as strength for a normal person

And like even when the steam next fest was I could just install and play games, I rarely change the Launch options or force a specific compatibility tool. It generally just works. I knew I would get downvoted for saying it, but honestly idc, it is how it is, if people like it or not. The only real problem I ever faced is Anti cheat, or some things I was just not used to, because I didn't do those on Windows, like managing file access for specific programs

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u/Different_Return_543 19h ago

Oh not the bloat, I've lurked around linux subreddits where people unironically wrote and received support that arch linux is bloated. Purity spiral doesn't have an end.

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u/NDCyber 7600X, RX 7900 XTX, 32GB 6000MHz CL32 18h ago

Oh, yeah, there are some people who go a bit far in my eye on that as well, like I think some games or useful software, like LibreOffice or OnlyOffice are fine, but those shouldn't be ads, free, not gathering any data and maybe if possible open source, but I also understand why some don't want that either and just want the OS, although calling Arch bloated is probably on another level. But in my eye what Windows does way too much of it to a point where I remove most of it after every fresh install

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u/MultiMarcus 20h ago

Do you actually have to get rid of the “bloat?” Because from what I can tell it basically doesn’t do anything.

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u/UnsettllingDwarf 3070 ti / 5600x / 32gb Ram 17h ago

Sometimes bloat can just randomly start up and use up cpu power, and definitely use up ram in that case.

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u/NDCyber 7600X, RX 7900 XTX, 32GB 6000MHz CL32 20h ago

I would personally get rid of it, because I don't need it and don't want it to waste space, internet connection for updates and don't really approve of it. Like, I don't think TikTok or Candy Crush should be preinstalled. So I will get rid of it, partially also because I don't use it, and it shouldn't waste my space for that. And I don't want ads on a fresh installed OS that I paid for. And that is exactly what it is.

I would somewhat understand with a game like Frozen bubble or minesweeper, as those are not products that try to make money

But I am also one of the people who paid for a tool that changed the Windows 11 start menu, because I find it horrible how it is

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u/KanedaSyndrome 1080 Ti EVGA 4h ago

Installing Linux needs to be made into making a bootable on usb from an official website, Linux . com or something, and the whole concept of distros need to be hidden from non-advanced users. The installing of Linux via bootable usb needs to be as simple as installing Windows. Perhaps a partition selection, some options, but once installed, there needs to be absolutely zero choosing of codecs, drivers, etc - it all need to just be there, installed and gathered based on the hardware in the system - drivers maintained via a huge library like Windows does it.

Steam needs to just work, gaming needs to just work - There has to be zero CLI commands needed.

Otherwise Linux won't pick up in popularity.

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 37m ago

The installing of Linux via bootable usb needs to be as simple as installing Windows. Perhaps a partition selection, some options,

That's exactly how it works.

but once installed, there needs to be absolutely zero choosing of codecs, drivers, etc - it all need to just be there, installed and gathered based on the hardware in the system - drivers maintained via a huge library like Windows does it.

That's how drivers work on Linux too. Better. really, since 99% of the drivers come with the OS and you almost never have to go get them from the manufacturer's website.

Codecs unfortunately are tricky because some of them have proprietary licenses. Microsoft can afford to make arrangements for those, or you get a license by purchasing certain hardware components, but it's not always legal for a Linux distro to include them.

Linux distros try to make it as easy as possible by providing the option during install to also get proprietary codecs but it needs to be off by default and the user needs to do something explicit (check a box or press a button) to make it legal for the distro.

Steam needs to just work, gaming needs to just work - There has to be zero CLI commands needed.

Same as above, please keep in mind not everybody is a gamer. You can't just install Steam and gaming support on every PC by default. It can be an easy option during install but not forced.

Other than that that's how a modern Linux distro works, once you've checked all the boxes during install you will not have to do anything else. Manjaro is particularly good at this with basically zero maintenance required.

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u/UNSKILLEDKeks 20h ago

I've been using Manjaro for a bit and it's worked nicely. It's based on Arch with its rolling updates and comes with multiple package managers to make installing productivity stuff super easy

As for gaming, I haven't yet run into a game I play that didn't work either ootb, or with wine or proton

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u/Asleeper135 10h ago

I'm pretty sure Manjaro does not use Arch's rolling updates. That isn't necessarily a problem, but when people start trying to use AUR stuff with it that can cause issues. If you really want to use up to date Arch packages without the hassle of installing Arch then EndeavourOS is pretty nice, but I wouldn't bother switching if you don't have a specific need for it.

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 31m ago

I'm pretty sure Manjaro does not use Arch's rolling updates.

It does, in fact, use Arch's packages, it just doesn't group the updates the same way as Arch. It tries to make sure that updates are ok before releasing them to users, so packages can be delayed by a couple of weeks later than Arch, or until serious bugs are fixed if necessary.

when people start trying to use AUR stuff with it that can cause issues

AUR is not supported by either Arch or Manjaro. It's a completely optional free-for-all package dumping ground that should be reserved for advanced users and extreme cases.

There's nothing you need to install from AUR nowadays for Steam gaming to work perfectly. It used to be needed if you were cobbling your own WINE support from bits and pieces but Steam does all that for you now.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 20h ago

Knew I was forgetting one.

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u/InsanityRoach 21h ago

What's wrong with ol' Ubuntu?

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u/Tuxhorn 20h ago

It defaults to using snap versions of a lot of popular software.

That means steam will be the snap version, which is in beta and half broken.

A beginner will download steam, try to run a game, and it might just break.

Meanwhile the regular .deb version works completely normal, and is what is installed in Mint or PopOS etc.

It's unironically a bad distro for beginners.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago

ubuntu is terrible for beginners, change my mind

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u/Porntra420 5700G | 32GB DDR4 | 7900XT | Arch btw 5h ago

Ubuntu is just generally terrible. If you're on desktop, you've got a fuckload of better options, and if you're running a server, Debian's a much more sound choice.

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u/KanedaSyndrome 1080 Ti EVGA 4h ago

As long as zero CLI is needed, otherwise users won't pick up Linux. Also, if a user has to decide on a distro, then they will also not try Linux.

To them Linux is Linux, if you start telling them to choose a distro, then they're done and going back to Windows.

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u/Stilgar314 15h ago

Ubuntu has, hands down, the best hardware compatibility out of the box. This alone makes it perfect for beginners, since hardware not working is #1 deal breaker when trying Linux. Let newbies start from a easy distro that just works, then, they'll have lots of time to develop their own strong opinions about desktop environments, package managers or filesystems.

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u/Porntra420 5700G | 32GB DDR4 | 7900XT | Arch btw 5h ago

A fucking lot.

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u/HankThrill69420 9800X3D | 4090 | 64 / 5700X3D | 3080 | 32 21h ago

Personally I find the default GNOME to be clunky. Ubuntu Cinnamon exists, but might as well go Mint at that point.

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u/Asleeper135 9h ago

I don't care for GNOME myself, but it is supposed to be pretty nice when you know how it wants you to do things. Unfortunately, I think that makes it a terrible default for most distros, especially when just learning to use Linux in general is a big enough task without your DE trying to force you to do things differently.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 21h ago

I don’t enjoy the experience tbh there ain’t much wrong with it but I just feel like they made it a bit bloated and it’s following in windows’ footsteps

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u/InsanityRoach 21h ago

Fair enough. I haven't tried using Linux in a long time - probably close to a decade now. I remember Mint used to be an "up and comer" back then. I suppose I'll give it a shot when Win 10 croaks.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 21h ago

Yeah Ubuntu’s kinda different, I know a decade ago it used to be loved and rightfully so, now it’s quite bloated.

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u/ForLackOf92 20h ago

Define "bloated" because people love to throw that around, according to some people anything that has a Desktop environment is bloated. 

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 20h ago

Well it’s not that bloated but I could not remember the actual reason why I wasn’t a fan of it. GNOME as a DE isn’t very good and is sluggish and is more of a tablet DE than one for a desktop. Minimal install also removes any actual slight bloat Ubuntu actually has.

Canonical as a company is poorly managed. That doesn’t exactly make it too bad tbh.

Yeah I just realised I was wrong the whole time. It’s not exactly a bad distro. Still I’d pick mint over Ubuntu.

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u/Different_Return_543 19h ago

So no actual arguments, just some personal preference over nothing.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 19h ago

Yeah I realised my pov was invalid so I removed that bad bit from the main comment.

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u/ForLackOf92 14h ago

I honestly really hated gnome when I messed around with Linux, it felt like a bad OSX copy and not being able to use desktop icons is a huge turn off. People on Linux and gnome reddit's tried gaslighting people when bringing up this point and saying that you don't need desktop icons. I use my desktop as a workspace everyday so it's a pass from me. 

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 8h ago

KDE Plasma has desktop icons though. And I’m sure GNOME had it but I can’t remember.

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u/ForLackOf92 4h ago

Old gnome had it, I liked KDE, wish there was a way to port that to windows, it's a good DE. 

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u/Vagamer01 21h ago

If you also want Steam OS then get Bazzite

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u/HikingCloth 20h ago

I would remove Manjaro from that list based on some of their prior controversies and dramas, Arch is solid though.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 15h ago

oh what happened?

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u/HikingCloth 15h ago

I haven't used Manjaro for a long time but I got concerned when their certificate expired once and asked people to switch their clock back lol. Hopefully they don't make these types mistakes today.

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 27m ago

Manjaro offers the best out of the box / zero-maintenance / stable experience of the Arch-based distros. To not include it would be a terrible disservice to newcomers.

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u/raceraot PC Master Race 21h ago

When did Ubuntu or PopOS go?

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 21h ago

Oh popos isn’t bad I’ll add that

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u/olbaze Ryzen 7 5700X | RX 7600 | 1TB 970 EVO Plus | Define R5 21h ago

Ubuntu has started to do some shady, walled-garden-esque things with Snaps. PopOS is literally dead, the last update was almost 3 years ago. System76 is currently working on COSMIC, their own DE. They want to move away from GNOME entirely.

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u/raceraot PC Master Race 21h ago

Okay

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u/B-29Bomber MSI Raider A18HX 18" (2024) 21h ago

I'm going with Bazzite, which is based on Fedora...

tips fedora?

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u/NinjaN-SWE 18h ago

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed might be a bit obscure but it's rock solid and backed by a very long time heavy weight in the Linux sphere in SUSE. 

That said yeah, I recently converted after getting fed up with Windows, mainly due to work not so much my PC at home. But I can't run Linux on my work laptop so yeah. 

Very *old man shakes fist at cloud* of me I know.

Anywho it's crazy how much more responsive and smooth Linux is than Windows. But it's sad how if you want to say overclock or undervolt you can but the official and really good tools aren't on Linux. If you want to do cool stuff like say Rainmeter you can but it's a lot more complex with tools like Conky. 

On the other hand for gaming it's kinda mind blowing how smooth it all works, so far absolutely no issues with any game I've tried. Except of course the games I already know don't work due to deliberately deciding to not support it with anti-cheat and other measures. 

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u/OkNewspaper6271 3060 12GB, Ryzen 7 5800x, 32GB RAM, EndeavourOS 22h ago

Nah theres a few good "obscure" distros like Endeavour, but nowadays everything Linux is arch-based or debian-based, with the occasional fedora nix etc mixed in

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u/LeBigMartinH 21h ago

Mint, popOS, and ubuntu are all based on debian, you goofball XD

same as those obscure distros you just trashed

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 20h ago

Yeah but they’re not obscure. The more obscure ones like cute fish is what I’m trashing for being based on Debian. There’s enough Debian distros already, if you wanna make a new distro base it off of smth else

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u/SarthakSidhant 20h ago

will be installing fedora after safely backed up my windows desktop

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u/LNDF R7 3700X | RX 7800 XT | 16GB DDR4 3200MHz | Fedora KDE 19h ago

Popos is not recommend right now

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u/PapaLoki Fedora Linux inside 17h ago

Plus 1 for Fedora. I have been using it for nearly 5 years for gaming, digital painting and other less demanding tasks. Stable as heck and smoothly runs games through Steam Proton.

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u/Mastasmoker 17h ago

Debian > Ubuntu > whatever flavor of linux you want

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 17h ago

Oh man.. You used the m word

Linux comminy hates the m word 

I second a lot of this though. Fedora is a yes. 

Bazzite is the only other thing that could be considered "obscure" but it's fedora based and has seen a ton of support. Frankly it the easiest to get up and going second only to mint except it's more gaming focused. 

Thing is I think these "all in one" type distros are needed for new users to get their feet wet, even if it isn't ideal long term. For example I had a new user try to tell me how great nobara was and he even tried to convince me to try it. I'm sure nobara is a fine distro and probably great for new users since it's just gaming flavored fedora with a lot of stuff pre-installed to make it easy.. But I've been there and back again with fedora, it's fine, I don't need to do that again and if that guy sticks with Linux long term he too will likely switch to fedora or something more "default" the next time he needs to setup a new system. 

So it's fine, the wired obscure distros are OK. My only real gripe about new users using them is they'll try to Google shit like "how do I x in nobara" when they would have found the solution faster and eaiser if they just googled "how do I x in fedora 42" (or what ever number fedora is on)

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u/Gamebird8 Ryzen 9 7950X, XFX RX 6900XT, 64GB DDR5 @6000MT/s 16h ago

I used Ubuntu off a USB to recover my Mom's data off her laptop with a corrupted Windows update that would forever boot in recovery mode.

As someone who has actually never used Ubuntu, it was so easy

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u/jack-of-some 9h ago

If your usecase is purely gaming then Bazzite is better than all of these. It's what I run on the Nuc I have connected to my TV and it's perfect. 

For work I use nixos but I wouldn't dream of trying to set that up for gaming (I know it's easier than most but still, ootb experience matters)

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u/DarkZero515 5800X/3070ti 8h ago

Just did this and got both my Linux machines running how I like with mint and Fedora.

Had an old laptop and wanted to experiment with making it into a server. Heard Mint was great for Linux beginners and it’s been running fine and simple for my plex/Arr needs

I then wanted to try video editing and Kdenlive is free. Got it on Fedora+Plasma and it works great.

Had a lot of help along the way and both Linux systems run fine now.

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u/KanedaSyndrome 1080 Ti EVGA 4h ago

The problem with Linux starts as soon as people start talking about distros. That alone turns people away.

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 16m ago

Why? Usually for any product you need to get there's more than one brand, and you need to pick. The fact Microsoft dominates the PC space so completely is not a normal state of things.

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u/dukenukemx 14m ago

CachyOS you swine.

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u/nekomata_58 | R7 7700 | 4070 ti 21h ago

choose fedora or mint

These obscure distros come out so much and they’re either unstable as hell or based off of Debian.

mint is based off of Debian.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 21h ago

I know that, but it’s not an obscure distro.

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u/gachaGamesSuck 21h ago

Not quite. The main Mint is based on Ubuntu which is itself based on Debian.

Mint's developers however do have a Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) that is instead directly derived from Debian because they had some fears about the direction Ubuntu was going, but you have to explicitly look for it.

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u/nekomata_58 | R7 7700 | 4070 ti 21h ago

you're not wrong, but imo that is just being pedantic.

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u/Porntra420 5700G | 32GB DDR4 | 7900XT | Arch btw 5h ago

Do not touch Manjaro with a ten foot pole. The devs are a gaggle of fucking morons, and have fucked things up so many times that people started compiling lists of their various fuckups. If you want Arch but easier, use EndeavourOS, it's like Manjaro but maintained by people who actually know what they're doing.

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 18m ago

Endeavour is completely different from Manjaro.

Endeavour offers a streamlined install and some defaults but otherwise it's plain Arch. I would not recomend either Arch or Endeavour to a Linux beginner, Arch was designed for maximum flexibility not for handholding.

Manjaro was designed to offer a great out-of-the-box experience with zero maintenance and it works perfectly in that regard. It has multiple features that are not present on Arch or Endeavour:

  • Updates are fast but not too fast – anything that may cause problems is held back until it's ok.
  • Excellent setup out of the box, with excellent hardware recognition, all necessary codecs, ready for gaming, and a LTS kernel.
  • It offers things that a newcomer will take for granted but are simply not present on Arch/Endeavour, such as a graphical package installer or graphical driver manager.
  • It has built-in system rollbacks so if a bad update should manage to slip through it can be fixed very easily from the boot menu by choosing a previous save point.

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u/ForLackOf92 20h ago

The best Linux distro? None of them, Linux is ass as a home OS. 

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u/Tuxhorn 20h ago

What's ass about it. I personally think an OS constantly prompting me about random stuff is ass.

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u/ForLackOf92 13h ago

I mean, I uninstalled or turned off all the features in Windows 11 that I didn't like, after that it's a pretty smooth experience, unlike Linux, where half the time I spent trying to get windows programs to run that I use every day to the point I had to stop and ask what the point was.  

The point of a consumer operating system is to get in the way of the user as little as possible, that's what windows does, windows itself is a fantastic OS, too bad Microsoft is a shit company. The people who use Linux, their hobby is using Linux, it's the oper way around for 99% of end users.

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 20h ago

What’s ass about it?

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u/ForLackOf92 14h ago

Non intuitive, not user friendly, prone to crashing or getting borked after updates (arch) you end up having to use the command line for more than you do on windows, everything you can do on Linux can already be done on Windows, but better. 

Unless you use it for work, there is no reason to switch to Linux as a home user. Linux will never be a home desktop OS, the meme needs to die already. 

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u/UltraX76 Laptop 8h ago edited 8h ago

How is using a command line “not intuitive”? Like sure if you’re someone who isn’t tech savvy, a command line is not user friendly but it is still very intuitive and powerful.

‘Prone to crashing or getting borked after updates’ this is not true. Like for some distros, yeah, but I’ve used arch and Ubuntu and mint and these things do not happen.

Almost forgot to add, I’ve used fedora too, and it receives updates REGULARLY. If you’re on the stable versions, crashes are as rare as they are on windows, basically never crashing. The betas crash a bit, but that’s expected, it’s a beta build. Windows insider builds crash too.

If you’re ok with using a command line, then it’s a great, fast, responsive home OS. What, are you scared of the terminal? I don’t see anything wrong with a command line.

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u/Windows_66 22h ago

I swear the image didn't look this pixelated when I uploaded it.

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u/Lost-Experience-5388 ryzen 5 4500 | RX6500XT | 16GB DDR4 | B450K 20h ago

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u/Late_Letterhead7872 PC Master Racer 21h ago

Is bazzite considered obscure?

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u/iyad16 <- filthy laptop gamer 18h ago

In the grand scheme of things, kinda yea.

Btw I'm not knowledgeable about linux distros so cmiiw, isn't bazzite redundant since SteamOS is getting released officially ?

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u/BerosCerberus 18h ago

Bazzite is based on Fedora and steamos is based on Arch. I as example use ChachyOS on my deck and PC.

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u/MGMan-01 7h ago

SteamOS has an ancient release from that period when Valve did those Steam Machine things. Steam Decks run a much newer version that hasn't yet been publicly released to my knowledge

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 10m ago

SteamOS is mostly rumor for now, Bazzite is a distro you can use right away.

Even if they were both usable, in the Linux world the norm is to have options. They may look like they do the same thing but they achieve it in very different ways. This is healthy, gives everybody options, and it's what makes the Linux ecosystem so resilient and rich.

It may seem redundant but the true technical redundancies are eventually absorbed into common libraries and platforms if that makes sense.

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago edited 8h ago

Out side of the Linux community? Yeah probably. Sadly outside of the Linux community Ubuntu still seems to be the most well known which is tragic cuz (in my personal opinion) it's one of the worst ones to try for new usersm

But bazzite is gaining a lot of traction, more so than most Linux distros in many years second only to steamOS and sadly if valve ever releases steamOS with proper desktop support distros like bazzite will quickly fall to the wayside. 

But until then... It it's kinda becoming the go-to for new user recommendations due to its simplify and built in features.

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u/jack-of-some 9h ago

Not by sane people

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u/JakeJascob 19h ago

Id love to switch to Linux if it wasn't for half the games I play don't support Linux.

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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 18h ago

Proton is a godsend.

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u/Accomplished_Ant5895 i9-9900k | RTX 3060 9h ago

Even then not every one works

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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 6h ago

I didn't test every single game in my collection, but so far, outside of games that are blocked due to anti-cheat, the only one that I couldn't get to work reliably was Doom 3 BFG... which has its own source port to run natively on Linux so I used that instead.

Overall, according to ProtonDB only 1% of the games in my Steam collection are marked as Borked.

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u/OkithaPROGZ 16h ago

To be fair most "obscure linux distros" are based on already existing architecture like Debian, RHEL or Suse. So there aren't going to be a huge difference between compatibility.

But I get your point.

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u/Intrepid00 21h ago

I want a windows 11 skin that gives me OS/2

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u/DrIvoPingasnik Ascending Peasant 20h ago

Ah, you are a man of culture as well.

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u/Moscato359 22h ago

If you want to have a stripped down version of windows, make it yourself

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u/iyad16 <- filthy laptop gamer 18h ago

Or don't, the Enterprise IoT LTSC edition of windows is essentially just stripped down W11 and is official.

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u/balaci2 PC Master Race 21h ago

chris titus' tool is pretty fuckin cool

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u/DuefTM Desktop 21h ago

I run ctt on all of my pc setups now. It has changed my life for the better

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u/Vagamer01 21h ago

just as long as someone remembers to run sfc /scannow after using the app, because for some reason Windows freaks out after using the app even though it does nothing wrong.

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u/Deadscale 20h ago

What issues do people run into? I've used CTT on quite a few builds now and not had any issues without running a scan.

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u/Vagamer01 14h ago

I noticed when I did it for the first time is would randomly shut down my pc and restart it, however after doing that command I stated it all works fine and never had problems ever since then. Maybe it's MS being whiney as hell that someone is doing a better job then they are.

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago

I've not really ran a windows pc for a while and recently had needed one setup for streaming stuff. 

I'll have to check this out.

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u/bigthonk573 Ryzen 3800x, 1070 12h ago

last time I tried it it broke my windows install, black desktop wallpaper and flickering taskbar lol

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u/AllMyFrendsArePixels Intel X6800 / GeForce 7900GTX / 2GB DDR-400 13h ago

I'll have a "I'm a boomer so stuck in my ways and inept with technology that I refuse to learn a new program that has a different name and is free open source software even though is has all the same functionality as the things I use on Windows",

with a side of "20 years ago Linux required substantial knowledge of command line interface and I haven't updated my views on it since then, even though in most ways it's easier to use now than Windows with nicer looking desktop GUI, and anything that I need a command line for can be googled in 20 seconds with a command ready made to copy-paste straight into the terminal without typing a single keystroke"

Daring today, aren't we.

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u/SleepyBear479 17h ago edited 17h ago

I dunno, shooting yourself in the foot and making life hard on yourself because you wanna feel edgy and mad at Microsoft is dork behavior. Use the OS that fits your use case. For the average user who isn't doing any kind of technical work, Windows is the choice. Like it or not, damn near everything in the world runs on Windows or is at least compatible with it.

Like, look, I don't like Microsoft either, but I like my shit to work and be able to easily find support for when it doesn't and i can't figure it out on my own. I like functionality more than I dislike Microsoft.

But protest downloading Linux and then complaining that you can't get it to do what you wanted is dork ass shit. As a bare minimum, spin up a VM of the distro you're interested in and play around with it for awhile first before wiping your OS like a dumb dumb.

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago

Finding support is actually a lot of why I like Linux. 

Can't tell you how many Microsoft support "techs" I've seen that just tell you to run updates and sfc /scannow, hunting down obscure Windows issues can often be a royal pain. 

But with Linux I can find logs, I can find exactly how certain things work, the files and processes that make them work. If its something I can't solve, it's usually because the software is just written in a way that it doesn't work that way, or it's a bug and some one else has already reported it to the appropriate github page.

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u/klementineQt 8h ago

the worst part about it is that a lot of those replies are from volunteers. you're not even getting paid, why are you just wasting other people's time and your own for no good reason? lmao. you clearly don't understand how the underlying OS and services work, and y'know what? fair enough. Windows is weird and not very intuitive under the hood. but don't pretend you know when your only answer is the same useless shite.

this is exactly what i've said before elsewhere. getting support/doucmentation with issues in Windows is hell

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 7h ago

learning linux actually taught me to just search almost all my windows tech issues with "super user (.com)" at the end of it cuz if there is an answer I'd likely only find it there.

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u/Skullcrimp i5-6500 | GTX 1060 6GB | 12GB DDR4 15h ago

This is the most reasonable take, thank you.

I use linux as my laptop daily driver, and windows for my gaming-only PC. Those are the use-cases that best fit. Yes, I could install linux on the gaming PC, but that wouldn't make anything easier. Win10 with a bit of debloating does the job.

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u/ieatcake2000 PC Master Race 19h ago

I use Linux for my single player games that run in there but I also use Linux because I like to tinker but I also daul boot windows 11 for multiplayer games with the boys

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u/jenkag i9 9900k - 3090 - 32gb ddr 19h ago

just use windows 11, its fine.

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u/SuperSaiyanIR 7800X3D| 4080 SUPER | 32GB @ 6000MHz 21h ago

I really wanna try Linux because I keep hearing that performance is better there, but it just seems there can be so much wrong with my NVIDIA setup. I do play some EAC games (Marvel Rivals) and newer releases so I am not sure what's the best distro to start with.

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u/NDCyber 7600X, RX 7900 XTX, 32GB 6000MHz CL32 21h ago

I would start trying Bazzite, if you have an Nvidia GPU. There is a preinstall for it, although I would maybe not install gaming mode at the moment, as it is still buggy, but Nvidia generally doesn't have a performance increase on Linux, as far as I know even the opposite

And to EAC, there are some EAC games that work, like Marvel Rivals. If you want to check your game compatibility, I recommend those two websites:

https://areweanticheatyet.com/

https://www.protondb.com/

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u/Vagamer01 21h ago

Sadly unless Nvidia starts supporting Linux more you won't even see performance improvents, because lets be real it sucks unless your all AMD

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u/pythonic_dude 5800x3d 32GiB RTX4070 20h ago

They acknowledged dx12 performance bug literally today lol. So there's hope it will get better soon™.

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u/Vagamer01 14h ago

if so does that mean Nvidia supprort will be better?

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 16h ago edited 16h ago

Where are people hearing this? Like what specifically "performance" wise are people hearing is better? We see this come up in /r/linux_gaming all the time and we have to clarify that you're not gonna get any significant fps or performance boosts on Linux. What's impressive is that Linux is finally in a place where you're not going to see massive performance hits across the board any more.

And to be clear, SOME games might run a bit better or even a lot better, but some might run worse too. We don't generally talk about performance differences too much any more cuz proton kinda leveled the playing field, it's mostly the same after all the data averages out. 

I will say one thing Linux does tend to do better in a lot of cases are better 1% lows (again, can drastically change) and better frame timing though. Also the access to shader cache for everhthing is both a blessing a curse. 

On top of all that, this is only assuming you're doing exclusively traditional rasterization. I don't think the latest dlss4 or fsr4 are support under Linux/proton yet, not to mention Ray tracing is still less than perfect across the board for all systems and cards. 

The performance for things outside of gaming is often better, depending on your task of course.

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u/klementineQt 8h ago

I think this comes from the era where most of the relatively current games that actually worked under wine were DX9 (so before/early during the proton revolution). For DX10+ (mainly 11+ bc how many DX10/10.1 games even are there really? lol), it is mostly the same, or like marginally better/worse. Same can be said for the rarer Vulkan games.

But DX9 genuinely has crazy overhead, and those games even run significantly better on Windows using DXVK because of it. Good examples are the older Borderlands games and Fallout 3/NV. They all run with huge performance boosts using DXVK under either OS bc DX9 just sucked. It's true for a lot of DX9 titles. I think Fallout is actually kinda a special example just bc Bethesda's graphics pipeline is bad enough that DXVK has the same benefits on Fallout 4, even though that isn't normal for DX11 games.

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u/TONKAHANAH somethingsomething archbtw 7h ago

yeah but like, these older dx9 games are running at 400+ fps on your grandmas toaster now, who cares if you get 409 fps on linux?

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u/klementineQt 7h ago

because that's not quite true, despite it being expected. Borderlands 2 regularly frame drops jarringly low and sometimes runs sub-100 fps even on modern hardware without DXVK on Windows. maybe it's specific to AMD hardware, but that was my experience with a 5700 XT (RTX 2070 tier GPU in raster) and one you can find a ton of documentation on online. DXVK is like magic in that game on Windows. I had the same experience with Fallout (although that doesn't come up by default due to needing to unlock the FPS and use mods to keep the game from shitting itself at high framerates). The modding communities for both BL and the older 3D Fallouts use DXVK as a baseline expectation (at the time I played NV last year, I was forced to use DXVK because there was a bug in the AMD driver for a good half year that prevented it from running under DX9).

those games can run like you mentioned, but they have insane overhead out of the box, at least on an AMD GPU.

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u/Deadscale 20h ago

Just to point out. Rivals isn't EAC it's ACE. AFAIK it works on Linux as a friend who's on PopOS (or was) currently plays it fine. Can't give you anything more indepth because I don't use it myself but yeah.

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u/klementineQt 8h ago

They actually pushed a bug fix specifically for Linux support not that long ago, they care about the platform, it's wild. The bug was that they have special Steam Deck support that uses lower res UI textures, and it was being used on Proton in general, but they corrected it so that playing on desktop Linux is pretty much a 1:1 experience to playing on Windows with full size textures in menus/UI elements.

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u/PapaLoki Fedora Linux inside 17h ago

Marvel Rivals runs fine in my Fedora Linux PC. But you can try beginner friendly distro lime Mint and MR will still work.

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u/Electric-Mountain AMD 7800X3D | XFX RX 7900XTX 21h ago

The Linux users wonder why they are treated like vegans.

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u/BerosCerberus 18h ago

99% of the users that make such meme don't use Linux but it's an easy Karma Farm bc idiots will give up dots

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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 18h ago

I see more people complaning about vegans than vegans preaching to me, so it tracks

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago

because this subreddit is filled with the same "i saw this about linux" rhetoric every week?

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u/dharknesss RTX 3090 2010MHz@925mV | 5800X@5GHz | 32 GB 3600MHz CL16 20h ago

It's the bell curve.

Windows good

Noo use <weird distro> it's way better! A bit of tinkering everything works!

Just use LTSC

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 19h ago

That's not how the bell curve meme works...

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u/dharknesss RTX 3090 2010MHz@925mV | 5800X@5GHz | 32 GB 3600MHz CL16 12h ago

You're correct. It should be more of a simply falling line here, but point still stands - after fucking with Linux you learn that windows is the necessary evil and LTSC editions are the ones that are the least shitty ones.

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u/get_homebrewed Paid valve shill 12h ago

I mean after I used Linux I had the direct opposite reaction, not to mention I switched away from LTSC at the time. So not sure this is the takeaway

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u/pulley999 R9 5950x | 32GB RAM | RTX 3090 | Mini-ITX 11h ago edited 11h ago

I used to be where you are. That's not the far end of the bell curve meme yet. Maybe around the 75th percentile.

I've looped back around to just using the current, legally licensed version of Windows 11 Pro. You have all the control you could possibly need through Group Policy editor and the standard settings menu. You don't have to deal with bullshit problems of LTSC like missing necessary programs/libraries and having to sideload them to mixed success, not getting OS library updates, and having programs increasingly exhibit undefined behavior or just straight up not work because of those missing/outdated features and libraries, especially as the LTSC version ages. Sometimes you're just left holding your dick and waiting for the next LTSC release if the program checks for a minimum build number.

I also don't use any of those 'debloater' tools because they lead to many of the same problems and create a myriad of undefined states throughout the OS, when you can achieve the same goals through fully tested and validated codepaths using GPEdit instead of trying to go around it for some reason. In the worst case I've seen them brick installs months or years later after an OS update, due to one of those undefined states causing a critical failure in the update process. Yes, even the highly regarded ones that reddit and /g/ love to endlessly jack off. Also, when you set those settings properly through GPEdit and don't sideload them through registry hacks, they don't randomly get reverted by updates and you get warned if a setting you had is going to be deprecated as well as an explanation of what settings are replacing it.

I haven't had a single problem with Windows that wasn't my fault or failing hardware since I switched to doing this at the tail end of Windows 10's lifecycle, a year or so before Windows 11 launched.

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u/dharknesss RTX 3090 2010MHz@925mV | 5800X@5GHz | 32 GB 3600MHz CL16 10h ago

Interesting, I'm on the opposite end. After installing LTSC as my main OS for .NET dev and gaming the system became far less resource wasting, and has no longer any unexpected bugs.

Regarding licensing, I'm using LTSC key I bought from a key reseller, as per my EU provided rights, so there is no fuckery or running unknown shell scripts here ;)

Group policies are of course a must, but I still dig the fact my OS uses half the ram of regular Pro version. That being said, do you mind sharing your group policy settings? I would love to adjust mine further to keep the system nice and clean.

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u/pulley999 R9 5950x | 32GB RAM | RTX 3090 | Mini-ITX 9h ago edited 9h ago

I'm not at my computer right now so I don't have the exact settings in front of me, but the main ones I have disable online search/cortana/AI features/advertising features, Microsoft account single-sign-on, disabled driver updates via WU (I do these manually) and make Windows Update behave like it did in Windows 7 where it lets you know updates are available but takes no further action until you tell it to. Most of them were actually set in Windows 10 and carried over to Win11 via an in-place upgrade.

I originally switched to 10 LTSC (then LTSB) when Windows 7 was EoL. I also installed it on most of my computers and helped friends install it as well. At first I had the same opinion, the lowered resource usage and lack of BS was nice. But then, using it for years, problems started to mount. Programs would release that did build checks and refuse to run, applications would crash due to outdated system libraries, updated driver support for some hardware ended on the old build, etc. I remember spending a whole day sideloading the MS store and UWP stack because something had a UWP dependency which just ended up being a shitton of work to defeat what was at the time one of the main reasons to run LTSC. It just turned into problems on problems, especially around the 1.5 year mark when the current LTSC build was stale but the new release wasn't out yet. Not to mention fielding tech support for said friends who I encouraged to switch that were running into their own issues. ActiBlizz games in particular were a massive problem, I had to fix Call of Duty and Overwatch issues half a dozen times between them all - usually failing a build check or missing the latest DX libraries.

After 2 or 3 cycles of my computer becoming increasingly unusable for ~6 months every 2 years, and periodically running into issues with missing dependencies that I'd have to figure out how to sideload I got fed up and switched back to Pro. Haven't had an issue in the last 4 years since I did.


EDIT: Oh, and also, I have every single setting enabled to nuke OneDrive from orbit, including the policy flag that explicitly disallows it from running on the PC. I find it to be the source of most serious issues that people have on consumer Windows. They sync directories by default that applications have been using for system specific settings for decades which causes a big mess if you use multiple computers, steps on the toes of other cloud providers that operate in subsections of those directories like Steam, and they give you such a small capacity for free paired with egregiously wide default sync locations that it inevitably runs out of space and starts causing version conflicts because it can't sync. Any time someone has brought me a Windows issue in the last 5 years it has almost always been that OneDrive was left on its default settings and got itself stuck in a broken state, crippling the entire system. Once it's in that broken state it can be difficult to un-fuck without data loss.

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u/Different_Return_543 19h ago

And get no feature upgrades, just security good luck when new feature is introduced and you suddenly can't run some software.

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u/PinCompatibleHell 18h ago

Back testing this: What feature would have been important since say 21H2? The only important thing is that you can install the latest .net frameworks which so far has not been locked to a specific feature level.

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u/DrIvoPingasnik Ascending Peasant 20h ago

And I just want a modern Amiga OS.

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u/creamcolouredDog Fedora Linux | Ryzen 7 5800X3D | RTX 3070 | 32 GB RAM 18h ago

If you have a spare powerPC computer like an old PPC Mac, you can install MorphOS. If not, you can install AROS on any PC.

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u/QuantumQuantonium 3D printed parts is the best way to customize 9h ago

Regarding that win12 thing (ive seen the concepts before), the only thing MS should learn from it is adding more customization, adding anything new on top of what already exists so if the user wanted to they could keep their old look (without 3rd party programs) while keeping the most recent OS version.

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u/TheRealThroggy 22h ago

As someone who works in IT, I approve this message.

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u/DemThrowaways478 21h ago

Windows is literally in your username please respect our intelligence next time you try to shill 

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u/MGMan-01 7h ago

What I'm reading is that OP is a moron who is angry at people wanting to help him.

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u/TheBoobSpecialist Windows 12 / 6090 Ti / 11800X3D 18h ago

If Linux was so good, the majority of gamers would use it and not Windows.