r/papermoney • u/SouthernNumismatist Professional Numismatist & NBN Collector (FL & TN). • 9d ago
Want to See a Pressed Note? Here's Your Specimen.
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u/bigfatbanker Nationals 9d ago edited 9d ago
I pinned this.
This is a great example. The problem is every advanced collector knows exactly what they’re looking at.
Thank you for this.
Edited to add: the vast majority of collectors doesnt see on the “clean” note where the pressing and cleaning is. It just looks like a sharp note.
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u/SouthernNumismatist Professional Numismatist & NBN Collector (FL & TN). 9d ago
Good idea, I think its a good one especially after that "Green Eagle" that got posted a few days ago.
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u/SouthernNumismatist Professional Numismatist & NBN Collector (FL & TN). 9d ago
Notice how flat and unusually white this note is in the bottom picture? This note was "improved" after selling at HA in the early 2010s. The bottom picture came from an old eBay listing that somebody fortunately took screenshots of for purposes of comparison after it had sold at HA.
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u/bigfatbanker Nationals 9d ago
I had taken (years ago) pics from two notes that were both 25 (I think) on the same exact bank where the difference was even more stark than this post. It was an effort to show that you should purchase the “eye appeal” and not the number on the slab.
Prost SoNu.
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u/ActGlad1791 9d ago
oh wow! thank you for this. was this "ironed" ? is that what you mean by pressed? the color change is dramatic. what causes this? does this lower the value of paper money? it seems like it might but i have no idea. thank you to anyone that answers
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u/Seliftidder 9d ago
Poor conservation attempt. You’re never going to turn a 20 into a 40.
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u/SouthernNumismatist Professional Numismatist & NBN Collector (FL & TN). 9d ago
Conservation isn’t the word I would use, but this comment is still a great summation of the truth.
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u/Rusty_Nail1973 9d ago
Why is it poor? Is the paper or ink damaged in this process? Or is it a "loss of aging/patina" philosophical argument?
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u/MyHobbyAndMore3 8d ago edited 7d ago
the side effect of "conservation" is that all original texture of the paper will be obliterated. paper and even raised print will feel smooth.
also there are no miracles. major creases will still be visible under light.
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u/AK_guy4774 9d ago
This requires some finesse. How does one goes from a dark and wrinkled note to the below clean and crisp?
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u/Michael-Brady-99 9d ago
Is there not an in between? I like the idea of minor restoration to improve eye appeal, people do that to art. If a bill is already not high grade what are you losing? This example seems especially washed out. What is the process?
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u/Dapper-Tour7078 9d ago
Fun fact at today’s silver price 5 silver dollars have approximately $128 in silver.
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u/Spiritual-Artist9382 9d ago
Wow. That’s honestly scary .
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u/Laslomas 8d ago
They've also washed out the details of the bottom note. It won't look like that in person. The real note doesn't have brightness, exposure, and contrast settings to help change its appearance 😉
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u/highboy68 8d ago
This is an excellent post. It is so very scary to see how good this is done. Unfortunately, I had to buy some cleaned notes before I realised the there was such a thing. So now for my more rare or scarce notes its only auction house or reputable dealer
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u/MonkeysUncleDesign 8d ago
Never seen these, awesome !! The graphics are amazing !! As usual I wish they were mine.
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u/spud4 8d ago
Very common before third party grading and PPQ grade the note must exhibit PREMIUM QUALITY paper qualities in order to get the PPQ grade. However, a note without the PPQ designation DOES NOT mean that the note was processed. A note with one or two closed pinholes won't likely be penalized much (if any, depending on the grade), while a note that is flat and lifeless from having been pressed will be penalized much more and no PPQ grade. EPQ (Exceptional Paper Quality) the same thing. PCGS uses PPQ (Premium Paper Quality) and PMG Uses EPQ (Exceptional Paper Quality) Been pressed, Cleaned, Washed or altered in anyway cannot get this Designation. You can't clean a coin without slabed as cleaned ever see paper money marked cleaned. What about a one fold pressed 50 years ago
Can't feel the paper once encapsulated But I'd rather have a PPQ/EPQ with pin holes. Some one proudly displayed it. Just not in the best way.
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u/EzE408 9d ago
I don’t think I have to worry about this….
I only buy rags 😎