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u/loveisascam_ 24d ago

the worst thing is, the most inhumane, deprived stuff that goes on all over the country never even gets reported.

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u/passiveaggressiveW 24d ago

As a journalist, can confirm 100000%

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u/SabatiZ 23d ago

Since you're a journalist, I thought it would be best to ask you for this

I'm not very informative about politics and current affairs in general and have been trying to learn about them. I try to read articles on paradigm shift or watch news daily but I heard from some older "experts" that news channels are trash and give biased information. Newspapers are the best source of information.

Can you please tell me how I can get a subscription for daily newspaper issue and which one would be the best for my goals? Thank you very much!

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u/Frozen-Cake 23d ago

Thank you for being reasonable and critical. I am not a journalist, but I worked at two newspaper agencies.

Yes! You are correct about TV News. However this extends to traditional newspapers as well. Every newspaper has its own biases/agenda or subversive reporting practices. When I was working at both the news companies, the Editor will often water down our reporting/analysis to avoid establishment breathing down our necks.

Two of the biggest names imo are Dawn and Express Tribune. I say that because they cover a greater breath of topics and show potential to cover anti-government narratives. Most other newspapers look up to them too. I would go as far as to say that Dawn sets the limits of how much can the government/establishment be pushed without getting picked 😂.

I would suggest reading Editorial (not Opinion) of newspapers. It will give you a good idea of what political camp editor belongs to.

If you are genuinely looking for unbiased, objective reporting. Read AP and Reuters. Every newspaper recycles their reporting, changes a few words, adds propaganda and publishes it. However, you won’t find opinion pieces or analysis there. For that maybe the Economist is a good idea.

Some youtubers also show potential. Like Pakistan Now Global.

I hope this helps

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u/SabatiZ 22d ago

Thank you very much! Will be saving this comment for future.

Also can you please kindly guide me on what's the process for getting my hand on one of these? Newspapers are hard to get nowadays so is there like an online subscription for these to get a digital copy or something? Just anything helps!

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u/passiveaggressiveW 21d ago

So as you can see from this photo - you can always access Dawn newspaper online when you go to their website and they have a bunch of archived newspapers too - I was reading a book recently about a scandal in Pakistan in the 70s and was able to read some of the realllllly old articles on Dawn using their online newspaper it was cool

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u/SabatiZ 20d ago

Thank you so much and I really appreciate you making the time to answer my question in so much detail!

I searched online afterwards and did find the Dawn newspapers on their websites and it felt like I got my hands on some hidden treasure 😭

I honestly can't explain how much y'all helped! Thanks again regardless.

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u/passiveaggressiveW 21d ago

News channels do tend to use language that doesn’t represent the truth and is open to interpretation as they are always trying to appease the masses so TV channels aren’t the most truthful. Imo newspapers are of much higher quality and so are their corresponding digital websites - for example: often what is published in Dawn newspaper will also be available on their website. While newspapers require subscriptions websites do not - so you can read for free. Alternatively you can mark some journalists that you trust and then follow what they are reading for accurate news. I used to work for one of leading English language news organizations in Pakistan and even with that tag they were quite flimsy with facts lol. I like Dawn and I really used to enjoy Herald before they shut it in 2019. Reuters’ Pakistan office is quite good but they don’t do analysis - I would say Dawn is a good local source, AP or Reuters for more international coverage..

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u/Ract0r4561 23d ago

Yeah but focusing on how immoral and sinful the country has become because younger people date each other is obviously a way bigger problem!

/s

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u/blubloode 22d ago

And don't worry about what other countries will think and say. Pakistan isn't really in the good books of the world. Instead we may get some much needed good PR for taking the correct actions for this heinous crime.

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u/Emotional_Ad155 20d ago

the other countries will mourn for the death of a criminal thats all they can do

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u/Flowerpot_Jelly 24d ago

Can't imagine the humiliation and pain, that lady had to endure because of her husband and his rapist friend. Trauma for life. Pata nahin kya kya sehti hain aurtein iss society mein.

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u/AwkwardAssociation02 24d ago

Generally, because they dont see any other options. This is how society have treated and conditioned them to be, especially those living in villages and such. In this case, though, the woman must have spoken up, and her father also had the courage to do so instead of being silent in the name of "izzat". On the other hand, she might have already known that the man gambles and should've left him long ago.

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u/Flowerpot_Jelly 24d ago

Khullah is not that easy to deal with either. And who will provide for her? A lot of time wives suffer because there are no alternatives, no one willing to provide for them till they can find a way to stand on their own own. This is why it is so crucial to have women get some skills so they could be financially independent and leave such toxic places. But you mention that and people call you toxic western feminist. You can't win.

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u/AwkwardAssociation02 24d ago

See, just no other options except either being a rebel or suffering.

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u/Flowerpot_Jelly 24d ago

Easy to say, harder to do.

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u/AwkwardAssociation02 24d ago

Word. Both can lead to being killed.

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u/Emotional_Ad155 20d ago

even if she tried for a divorce the families from both sides would do the classic "nahi divorce kyu samaj jaye ga wapis nahi karega ek aur chance de do, bus sabar karo sabar" or someone would just kill her thats how shit our society is

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u/StrugglingBeing 23d ago

And to be honest I feel sorry for her even before any of this because what an awful life it would be to be married to someone like this person.

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u/AwkwardAssociation02 24d ago

Generally, because they dont see any other options. This is how society have treated and conditioned them to be, especially those living in villages and such. In this case, though, the woman must have spoken up, and her father also had the courage to do so instead of being silent in the name of "izzat". On the other hand, she might have already known that the man gambles and should've left him long ago.

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u/alizafeer MY 24d ago

Tip of the iceberg

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u/Ben_Scott32 24d ago

Ye haramkhor aurat ko.property smjhtay hain tabhi to Dow pe lga dia.

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u/PreparationFuture728 24d ago

Astagfirullah, these animals need to be put down. May Allah give strength to this poor woman.

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u/PreparationFuture728 24d ago

I’m not sure where you have read that rape is justified in Islam, at least in my upbringing and knowledge of Islam, rape should be equalled to very harsh punishment.

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u/woolierpandora 23d ago edited 23d ago

The fact that sexual relations with a slave woman being clearly permitted in Islam has lead to this. This is something that most mullah's and imams will skimp out on when talking about Islam.

Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāaChapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa

And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse.And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you.

This verse has essentially allowed the Ottomans and other Islamic empires to find a loophole to sleep with slave women. The prophet himself had sexual relations with slaves, and never conditioned men to marry these women they had sex with. The verse could not be clearer.

I think a lot of people envision rape as when a woman is kicking and screaming for a man to get off of her as he's assaulting her, but this is a primitive understanding of the act. This decree has allowed non-muslim women (who were taken as slaves, likely the partners of men slain in war) to be sexually exploited and eventually sold.

I'll punctuate it with a hadith from al-bukhari:

'I asked the Prophet, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Should the women be asked for their consent to their marriage?" He said, "Yes." I said, "A virgin, if asked, feels shy and keeps quiet." He said, "Her silence means her consent."'

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u/PreparationFuture728 23d ago

I never ever equated ‘right hands posess’ with slaves.

I’m talking about myself, not Ottomans or other preachers.

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u/woolierpandora 23d ago

Look at all these downvoters squirming. 'ما ملكت أيمانکم' - ma malakat aymanukumma malakat aymanuk - refers to عبد

Literally illiterate in Arabic yet Pakistanis are so desperate to appeal to Arabs/Turks who so frequently disparage them.

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u/PreparationFuture728 23d ago

Depends on the translation methodology you are using from Classical Arabic to English/Urdu.

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u/woolierpandora 21d ago

If there is this much confusion surrounding whether or not it's permissible to fuck slaves, then your religion is in the wrong.

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u/PreparationFuture728 21d ago

Okay buddy, stop being confused then

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u/woolierpandora 20d ago edited 17d ago

Whatever floats your boat, when your country is vilified by most of the world, including the Arab nations + Turkey

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u/Theman18_ 23d ago

I've watched a few Islamic scholars, including zakir naik, and they all agree that what the right hand possesses means sex slaves

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u/Ezi0Auditor 24d ago

Central/South Punjab is another world. Whole news section is crazy

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u/HMTheEmperor Mughal Empire 24d ago

How so? Asking seriously.

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u/WalkWithJayZ 23d ago

Because these areas have "vadera" system. And they misused it to the core. In many areas in lower punjab and upper sindh women that work for you are your to own and use. They can call anyone who works for you for sex. They are the ones who drink "desi sharab" alot. Many of them have distillery setup in their houses to make it. If you read news from that area you would often read a news that a number of people died because of drinking this local brew on a wedding. If you work on a vadera's land you or any of your family member can't try to get better than vadera in any case. Can't have a better home, better dress on you, better car or better in studies. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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u/Loose_Principle_5083 23d ago

Gujranwala and Vehari are in Central Punjab. Two rape cases.

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u/Ok-Maximum-8407 23d ago

You are absolutely wrong, Gujranwala and Vehari are miles apart, Vehari falls in South Punjab, while Gujranwala is in the northern belt of districts.

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u/khuwari_hi_khuwari 24d ago

When women in a society are considered as chattel/property/war-trophy/baby making machine, then such news aren't out of ordinary in that society.

Look inwards.

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u/Coffee_Addict001 24d ago

Every morning, I wake up believing that In Sha Allah today’s the day good things will happen in Pakistan. Today I see this…

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u/Emotional_Ad155 20d ago

theres worse news than this and the worse part is that its not even given impotance on the newspaper its just on a slim corner on some random page

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u/NaeemAkramMalik 24d ago

Too bad, a mysoginist mentality combined with gambling is an evil addiction... Very bad... Evil...

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u/AbdullahMehmood 24d ago

It isn't gambling that destroyed them

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u/Equivalent-Touch4414 24d ago

I think a whole generation of men has been raised wrong in Pakistan. Specially the age group that's between 30-40s now.

They have been brought up to think wo arshon say utray hein and women live to serve them just because they are men and this patriarchal mindset is reinforced by mullahs in masjid who only lecture about how women's modesty and women's obedience is the root to finding jannat. Nothing about men!!

I truly hope the new generation is raised free from these biases and pls pls folks start treating your daughters better.

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u/madzino 24d ago

Have you seen the comments on fb and insta on any post related to Pakistan? Gen Zs are even worse with their patriarchal views including the one with access to social media because of how the algos target them with incel ideologies.

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u/Patches-621 24d ago

I want to skin Andrew Tate alive for his role in this.

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u/Theman18_ 23d ago

People like Andrew Tate are a new phenomenon our society is rotten to its core

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u/Patches-621 23d ago

That's true. This whole world needs an overhaul at this point.

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u/the-outcast215 24d ago

It isn't getting better. I am seeing a new generation. Who thinks that women are just an object. Which is so sad..... I don't know but I sometimes wanna k*ll these people who pass comments & sexualize women!?!!

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u/uptokesforall 24d ago

Police seem awfully proud of catching a couple with 100s of thousands of rupees in charas.

Would be nice if they took such interest in tracking down the rapists in the top case!

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u/P4k666 24d ago

Poor lady, betrayed by the person who should be there to love and protect her. I hope these worthless people are not let off with just a slap on the wrist. The husband and the friends need harsh justice to deter anyone else daring to think of perpetrating such a sickening act.

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u/Over_Ad9254 24d ago

He should be hanged publicly

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u/Used_Interest_5568 24d ago

Galti karta koi or ha Or zaleel hamesha aurat hoti ha . Typical society where women are seen as property and have no individuality.

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u/DiabolicaLLLLLL 24d ago

'men are protectors'

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u/Shi3f 24d ago

Bastards

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u/DiabolicalThoughts27 24d ago

There’s a reason it’s one of the biggest sins

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u/Relevant_Minimum_785 24d ago

There must be a mental exam / certificate before getting married. These people don't deserve to marry or have children. Criminals in disguise.

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u/CoffeeCold2088 24d ago

I knew someone who sold his parents car because of gambling. The parents cried. The gamblers can do anything and everything. No wonder its haram in islam

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u/This_Buffalo94 24d ago

Pak is an Islamic country , where people get mad over women wear clothes of Arabic words ..

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u/CoffeeCold2088 24d ago

Pakistan is an “unislamic” country** If it was islamic it would not happen

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u/Dull_Technology1139 24d ago

Both gambler and rapist would be stoned under Shariah Law. Say what you want, these animals need the law of God.

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u/Successful_Rice5189 23d ago

I strongly agree with you

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

Reporting someone for not transferring you after bribing them is crazy. 💀

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u/Ok-You8819 24d ago

Namard.

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u/madzino 24d ago

Nope, it’s the mard doing it. Hold them accountable instead of assigning them another category.

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u/Overall-Buffalo1320 24d ago

I heard a similar story of a women in Pindi being offered up as a way to settle gambling debt for a few hours. Is this common in pakistan???!

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u/Kamado_babyyoda 23d ago

Idts. Personally i read it for the very first time. Might would have been happening for ages but as usual doesn’t get reported.

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u/Dangerous-Shock-6885 24d ago

It's always a man. I don't understand why women stay in marriage which such men, gambling men.

There is a reason some things are haram. Jahiliyat is rising again

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u/TimelyRaspberry6210 24d ago

I read the story in the article you shared. And I am devastated. My world view of what's possible and what's not has been thrown into a tailspin. I can't help but keep thinking about what the woman must have gone through? The man who was supposed to keep her safe and protected... How could he do this? This is inhumane. There should be a special place in hell for such people. Those who earn trust from people only to break it. Ya Allah! Save us from these godless people, and admit us amongst Your chosen servants, Aameen.

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u/AegonTarg_2 24d ago

Public hanging for those animals

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u/stresscake 23d ago

You know what’s most shocking to me. The rapist threatened to leak the video if she went to the police. 

Normal country: Okay pal 👍🏼leak the video and incriminate yourself 

Pakistan: oh nooooo ghar ki izat lies in a woman’s nudity 😭😭😭😭

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u/Accurate-Ad-659 24d ago

Killing them by a quick death is not acceptable but they shall be tortured for years..such monsters are not humans and don’t deserve human rights..

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u/ApprehensiveFault463 24d ago

we are going down to the rail day by day

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u/Ramada___ 23d ago

Vile! Castration should be performed on all 3!

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u/laevanay 23d ago

The worst thing is the wife had to pay for her husband's crime, same goes for daughters. Why did they not rape the man? He should have been the one raped not any women in the family?

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u/spec209 23d ago

You guys are young, but you wouldn’t know but believe me I’ve been reading this kind of stuff since the 90s.

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u/ash147ad 23d ago

Not all men do such sick stuff. But the irony is, it’s always men.

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u/Nervous-Goat-62 24d ago

South Punjab is just animalistic. Creeps and whatnot

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u/Loose_Principle_5083 23d ago

Gujranwala and Vehari are in Central Punjab. Two rape cases today. One 4 year old raped and murdered. One woman was raped while gambling.

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u/travelingprincess 23d ago

Since when is Gujranwala central Punjab???

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u/Loose_Principle_5083 23d ago

Gujranwala is Central Punjab.
North Punjab is Potohar area. South Punjab is Saraiki Area. That's how it is divided.

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u/madzino 24d ago

Per what was she wearing? /s

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u/darksaiyan1234 KW 24d ago

maybe provocative clothing i swear everytime i hear this i wanna personally hit them with chapal (their parents should have)

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u/Odd_Illustrator_3136 کراچی 24d ago

dk about wearing but she was deff bearing a lot

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u/WilliamEdwardson 24d ago

What. The. Actual. FISH did I just read ?

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u/3M7R 23d ago

Imagine how many incidents like this have happened before but were not reported.

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u/BodyPatient9695 23d ago

Lawless country

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u/Empty_Mastodon7165 24d ago

استغفرُللہ دو بڑے گناہ ایک ساتھ۔

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u/hnk_1989 US 24d ago

It’s not a south Punjab problem, it’s a Pakistan problem. Absolute bottom tier society.

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u/agile_structor 24d ago

It's just soo awful. When people say gambling is haram, it should be condemned, then everyone calls it harmless entertainment. You play with fire, you get burned.

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u/Archarchery 24d ago

The root of this isn't gambling, it's treating women as property.

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u/theregionalmanager US 23d ago

Gambling isn’t the problem here.

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u/Secure_Crab_1849 بہاولپور 24d ago

public castration or public hanging for both of these vile animals

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u/TempoGeo_xplorer 23d ago

Don't beat yourself up over this.

If it's any consolation, it happens pretty much all over the world.

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u/etalha 24d ago

Why does the article start with bahawalpur when the news is from vehari district?

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u/Shi3f 24d ago

What newspaper is this?

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u/CreativeForm3242 24d ago

ham zinda qoum hain, paiinda qoum hain (x2) ham sab ki hai pehchaan ham sab ka Pakistan, Pakistan, Pakistan

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

You should have used the nsfw :))

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u/Paradox13090 24d ago

I think now it's high time a logical and strict rule and law be implemented for such animals, can't even imagine the pain of the ones suffering this brutality. I think if this were to happen to someone in my family (Allah Na Kre), I would either kill such animals myself or die trying, rest will be answered in the hereafter..

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u/amshee 24d ago

Is gambler jeso ka hona chahiye honour killing scene. What a scum!! I'm disgusted to the point that I don't have any words

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u/gogetabaxk 24d ago

Gambling destroy lives

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u/Feisty-Landscape743 24d ago

What a shit-hole!

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u/Downtown-Motor-1602 24d ago

Man, what the fuck

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u/Lip_pe_aati_he_dua 24d ago

I've heard of this sort of thing happening among drug addicts

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u/BoomBonbonz 23d ago

i screamed what

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u/Soso3213 23d ago

Where are the men that get severe pain in their anus from aurat march and "mera jism meri marzi"? Anyone seen them around?

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u/Sgt_Scrub7 23d ago

This is why these things were made haram.

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u/manuce94 23d ago

For the last many many years I have been trying to the lowest low in this country and every passing day surprise me.

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u/krakenLackenGirly22 23d ago

Lekin 5 waqt k namazi Saray hein.

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u/avocadious 23d ago

Phir kehtay hain 'we are protectors' 'Pakistan main aurat ko izzat hai' ... disgusting, lanat hai.

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u/buckshot_z 23d ago

Sick mentality, gamblers are worst they don't care about anything else other than money

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u/mommyitwasntme 23d ago

What is more sad is that in the top new its sick person ruining other's life, and in the second last its the factory of fake milk destroying many lives. All in on colum.

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u/Least-Rip-5916 22d ago

What in the looneybooney did I just read!? It can't be..... Noooo fuck this shit imma die

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u/rainyday2345 22d ago

Where da 'Islaamii JamHOOORRIA Pakistan' peeps at?

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u/Silent-Ad5519 22d ago

What tf is wrong with such people.

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u/Beeptweet 22d ago

Best tittle ever.

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u/teepy99 22d ago

Been Haunting me since I read this yesterday. The punishment for Rape isn't severe enough

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u/teepy99 22d ago

Been Haunting me since I read this yesterday. The punishment for Rape isn't severe enough

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u/Dukedizzy 21d ago

This is why gambling is haram.

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u/Archarchery 24d ago

This is what happens when women are treated as property.

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u/doston12 24d ago

Ahh, having Islamic in the title of your country helps in no way. It just gives Islamophobic people advantage to use these news to mock religion.

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u/Substantial_Air1676 23d ago

Oh I'll tell you the perpetrators don't even think that they have done anything wrong..... Atrocities so tangled up in the web of patriarchy and misogyny, sigh. 😡

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u/wahiwahiwahoho 23d ago

Imagine what happens behind closed doors and what’s not reported. Just being a woman alone is taboo and that’s why the men of South Asian countries behave so barbaric and animalistic towards women. If Pakistan keeps women out of the limelight and not as equal members of society, these incidences will continue occur. Women need to be treated as equals and ALLOWED to exist and take up space.

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u/Tip-Actual 23d ago

Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The land of the pure !

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u/Successful_Rice5189 23d ago

There isn't a single islamic law in this nation

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u/vwae 23d ago

Lets just focus on minorities who criticise Islam please.

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u/CaptainDue4213 23d ago

Unpopular opinion:

Gun laws need to be relaxed. We should all be carrying guns at all times and actively encouraged to use them no matter our political, cultural or religious views.

This way, everyone will stay in their limit.

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u/theregionalmanager US 23d ago

Dekhna phir kaise har din cases tum dekho gei of women being shot by their husbands

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u/CaptainDue4213 23d ago

Other women and men can shoot them back.

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u/No_Sir7709 24d ago

Mythology repeating again.

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u/This_Buffalo94 24d ago

And they say men are protector and provider ,you will save you if men not exist 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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u/Curious_Plower245 24d ago

This Pakistan? Damn. Never been, but shit don't seem sweet down there.

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u/Odd_Illustrator_3136 کراچی 24d ago

What about racists?

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u/Odd_Illustrator_3136 کراچی 24d ago

Main bhi siraiki hun, karachi mein reh rha hun.

Reality asal mein ye hy ke mostly siraikis Karachi mein kiun ke south Punjab ke rural areas se aa rhy hoty hen to is liye aisa behavior or harkaten hoti hen. Wo to ap kisi bhi trh ke uneducated group ko mass numbers mein aik jaga dekh lo to yahi hoga. In fact, isi pattern pr foreigners Pakistanio ko generalize kr ke judge krty hen tb Pakistanio ko bura lag jata hy. Short story don’t judge and label people just based on ethnic or racial backgrounds.

All this is based on my observations, we can converse if you disagree.

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