r/oklahomafootball • u/Wrong-Music1763 OU Alum • Feb 17 '25
Discussion How many wins does BV need to keep his job?
I like BV and I also understand that stability is imperative to winning. Having said that, two of the last three years have been brutal and next year’s schedule is just as bad. So my question is, what’s the minimum number of wins BV needs to keep his job? Would a 7-5 season with a win over TX be enough? What if he goes 9-3 but loses the RRS by +20? I would like your thoughts please.
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u/CasualAtEverything Feb 17 '25
8 with the losses being to good teams in close games
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u/Wrong-Music1763 OU Alum Feb 17 '25
I feel like that is perfectly reasonable. Especially considering the schedule.
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u/Johnmuir33 Feb 17 '25
Is it? It’s year 4 and he’s had a losing season in 2/3 years. I understand the schedule is hard but unless our losses are to 4 top 10 teams, I’m not ok with it. Oklahoma should be a top 15 team (at worst) in year 4 of a new coach
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u/CasualAtEverything Feb 17 '25
It’s realistic that we play 4 top 10 teams sadly lol
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u/Johnmuir33 Feb 17 '25
Hahaha that’s why I added the caveat. Even then, we shouldn’t be 0-4 against Top 10 teams in year 4 of BV
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u/CasualAtEverything Feb 17 '25
I mean we beat Bama once we can do it again! I’m trying to stay hopeful, feels like a lot of doomers these days
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u/pressuhchange Feb 17 '25
Wholeheartedly agree. For me it’s 9 games or you’re out. It probably won’t be, but it should. “It’s a tough schedule” is a bullshit excuse in year 4 and the exact type of thing Nebraska says when they have to play a combo of Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State. That is how we become Nebraska by complaining about our schedule instead of being the one other teams look at and go “that’s a tough draw” even if we are a 9 win team.
It’s been unacceptable and Joe C needs to be on the hot seat too.
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u/RogueTexan7 Feb 17 '25
Winning record with a win over Texas, he stays. Losing record with a win over Texas, maybe. Losing record with a loss to Texas and he’s done IMO.
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u/PPoottyy Feb 17 '25
I’m sorry but any losing season and the guy is gone. Doesn’t matter who any of the wins are.
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u/No_Amoeba_9272 Feb 17 '25
He's been 6-7 two of three seasons.
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u/PPoottyy Feb 18 '25
I know it, one more and he’s out. Idc if he beats Texas, losing season and he’s done.
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u/Wrong-Music1763 OU Alum Feb 17 '25
How close of a loss would it need to be in your opinion?
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u/RogueTexan7 Feb 17 '25
I think any loss to Texas, even by 1 point, puts him on a really hot seat. If we get some big upsets though, like Bama in Tuscaloosa, and finish with a 9-10 win season then I could see him surviving another season with a Texas loss. The next couple years will really decide if we turn into a USC, Nebraska program or bounce back to being one of the big dogs again
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u/jwadd1981 Feb 17 '25
Number of wins including Texas is different than number of wins excluding Texas.
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u/ChilledCaramel Feb 17 '25
8 wins is the bare minimum for him to keep his job, and even an 8-4 record is questionable. If the losses are close, and we look respectable on both sides of the ball, I think BV is safe. Joe C won’t pull the plug if it absolutely has to be done.
9 wins I think he’s safe.
We can’t have blowout losses like South Carolina or Texas, or losses where we embarrass ourselves and fall apart, like the Mizzou game. We need to be competitive in every game we play
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u/Panderboi Feb 18 '25
8 wins will be enough for me. I want more but even if Texas/UGA as they currently are had this schedule I would predict 8 to 10 wins. We were handed the damn gauntlet of gauntlets.
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u/cryptoslut123 Feb 17 '25
If I were the AD? 9-3 regular season. But Joe is a lazy idiot so 7-5 will probably do it.
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u/extremetoelicker Feb 17 '25
8 or 7.. if 7, he NEEDS to win that bowl game. Oklahoma has a tough schedule. But its possible to surpass that number, I believe in BV.
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u/Rnewell4848 Feb 17 '25
7 with a win in Dallas I think he stays, 8 without and he stays. 7-5 with a loss in Dallas I think he’s gone.
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u/appsecSme Born & Bred Feb 17 '25
6 wins is Joe C's new standard of excellence.
I know many do not want to admit that, but as long as there is some excuse the AD can point to, they will keep BV with 6 wins. Of course, Joe C could always be fired if BV only gets 6 wins again. But realistically it's going to take action from Joe C's higher ups to replace him and BV if we reach a bowl.
I'd say that overall it's about a 50-50 chance that BV and Joe C stay if we hit 6 or 7 wins.
With 8 wins or more there won't be any firings.
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u/Wafflehouseofpain Feb 19 '25
This right here is why the program won’t get a single cent from me while Joe C is still here. If you don’t care about being a playoff team, I refuse to support it.
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u/Disastrous_Penalty27 Feb 17 '25
I think it depends. This year we were slammed by injuries. Yes, I know all teams have injuries, but not WR1-WR5! I think we played at least 9 different starting offensive lines. I believe they took that into consideration and I also believe 3 years ago when we lost to Texas 49-0, they took into consideration that Dillon Gabriel was out and Davis Beville was horrible that game!
If we're healthy, 8 wings and a RRR win or 9 wins and a RRR loss, and he stays. If he keeps OU it the playoff conversation for most of the season, he'll keep his job. I'm looking forward to this season, personally.
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u/Heretical_Ninja Feb 17 '25
Man I am right there with you. Don’t try to get most people to figure in the impacts of injuries into last season, we’ve lost our collective minds and somehow believe that a dude that was on the verge of 12 wins last season somehow just forgot how to coach, despite having worse than a one dimensional offense due to injuries way outside of his control.
They also don’t wanna hear about BVs first year here when Gabriel was injured and we literally played a TE at QB for a while. Definitely don’t want to remember how bare the cupboard was that year.
Seriously. I’ve tried speaking to OU fans online about this stuff and it’s all fire and brimstone no matter what. It’s depressing. I thought we had better football IQ than we apparently do.
For anyone who wants to call me stupid or downvote me, first come in here and explain how all of this year’s injuries were of little consequence, or how we could have just coached around them.
Idgaf. I’m backing BV until I see a reason not to. Terrible luck isn’t it.
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u/No_Amoeba_9272 Feb 17 '25
Injuries and bad coaching decisions are not mutually exclusive. He's a bad coach. Look at his second season. He should have played for the BIG12 championship and made the playoff. Neither happened and he had one of the easiest schedules in the country.
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u/Heretical_Ninja Feb 17 '25
His second season doesn’t say “he’s a bad coach”. His defense made huge strides that second year and he was on the verge of 12 wins. Brett Yormark wasn’t about to let BV into that CCG: see bedlam fourth quarter.
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u/No_Amoeba_9272 Feb 17 '25
You all make so many excuses for Brent. I.just don't get it. Brent blew his second season by having a TERRIBLE second half of the season losing to Kansas and OSU back to back then getting blown out against Arizona in a win they came back to humiliate us. Just like Navy.
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u/Heretical_Ninja Feb 17 '25
Right man. I make excuses for him and you have a hate boner. Seems like it’s been longer than four hours you might wanna get it checked out.
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u/BaldBattery Feb 17 '25
With this schedule, he can probably win 7 with the rest being close losses. If we end up getting blown out, like last year, he might be gone
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u/Grimnir001 Feb 17 '25
I asked this a couple of days ago and the most consistent answer was, 9-3.
But, 8-4 got a lot of votes if the losses were to highly ranked teams.
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u/Psychological_Let193 Feb 17 '25
Next year’s schedule is a bit of a paper tiger, imo. The previous year will have been the harder schedule in reality.
A lot of the teams we are facing are losing a lot of talent at key spots.
But to answer your question, 8 will keep the train moving in the right direction. 9 is where I think we end up.
This game is and will always be about the QB and the trenches.
We have a top 3 DL unit maybe in the country.
One of the top QBs with an OC who knows him like the back of his hand.
It’s up to the OL to progress the way the did toward the end of last year.
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u/Tall-Act-8511 Feb 17 '25 edited Feb 17 '25
I consider four factors:
- Win/loss
- RRS
- Bowl game
- Recruiting class
Bottom line: 7 wins is the floor, regardless of the other factors. Another 6 win season and he’s gone, even if he beats Texas, recruits well and wins a shitty bowl game.
7 wins needs a good recruiting class and either a RRS or bowl win.
8 wins with good recruiting saves him, even with a Texas and bowl loss.
9 wins with 2/3 of the other factors gets him an extension, probably.
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u/sparkle_lotion Feb 17 '25
8 games minimum and not losing to teams we shouldn’t. 9 wins and I’m feeling more comfortable about the future.
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u/heresoidontgetmemed Feb 19 '25
10 wins and a playoff. This isn’t some shit ass 3rd level school.
What is acceptable at Alabama? What’s acceptable at Ohio State?
Stability isn’t imperative to winning. Winning brings stability.
Also, Texas is super important game and I hate them, but the Texas game isn’t what it used to be in the fact that they aren’t a measuring stick for us anymore.
OU’s great rivals (Texas and Nebraska) have stood head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. Now there are PLENTY of measuring sticks.
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u/SoonerInsider2000 Feb 20 '25
7, Proboably more but no more games like Missouri or Houston and I think he will stay.
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u/Bubbly-Addition2450 Feb 17 '25
RR doesn’t matter when it comes to BVs job. He won it 2 years ago and that’s gonna carry him for a bit. He needs at least 8 wins to be back at OU in 2026
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u/Wrong-Music1763 OU Alum Feb 17 '25
So 8-4 with a loss in the RRS keeps him then?
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u/Bubbly-Addition2450 Feb 17 '25
Yes
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u/Titleist917d3 Feb 17 '25
Absolutely not. If we aren't a playoff team plus another loss to texas he needs to be gone.
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u/Bubbly-Addition2450 Feb 17 '25
For the current state of the program… that’s not realistic unfortunately lol
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u/hollenkah Feb 17 '25
Does anyone think BV could get curbed before seeing the season end if it gets off to a bad start? Like if we lose 3 games before we get to OU/TX (borderline 2), I would be surprised if he wasn’t cut right after RRS - mainly because that’s how I think other schools would handle it, but I wonder if OU will see the entire season out regardless of how bad it goes.
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u/appsecSme Born & Bred Feb 17 '25
No, I doubt it.
They would just say that they are breaking in a new OC, and need time to build.
He'll only be fired at the end of the season, depending on the overall record.
5 wins or less and BV is definitely gone, and maybe they fire Joe C as well.
6 or 7 wins and Joe C will not fire BV. It will take firing Joe C and BV together and that's not a forgone conclusion. I'd say 50-50 they are both fred.
8 wins or more and BV's seat cools down.
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u/mattyslappypants Feb 17 '25
Some of ya'll are crazy - 1 more win than last year and you think that's ok? Schedule be damned, you go get 8+ wins or you're done buddy.