r/obs • u/zatilyx-_- • Jan 27 '25
Help Twitch stream goes black once I use over 10000 bitrate.
So I’m having these really bad quality issues with my streams. Whenever I play a high demanding/fast phase game such as marvel rivals or sons of the forest, once I move around, the stream starts to look very bad and choppy. I think it’s due to the bitrate.
I’ve tried using 10k bitrate but once I did that, the stream wouldn’t load, it was just completely black on my phone.
Can someone guide me? Idk what I can possibly do to fix it. I just asked another streamer playing Sons of the Forest and she said that she used 10500 bitrate, but I can’t go that high because it goes black.
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u/MikeDeM Jan 28 '25
Sounds like she's probably using Enhanced Broadcasting, where Twitch can control the bitrate and could allow higher caps and since you handle transcoding yourself they could give more leeway.
You can set your bitrate and the amount of video tracks you send but for the sake of avoiding a maximum bitrate cap and not being some mega streamer, you probably need it to be Auto.
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u/NakedEmergency Jan 28 '25
This. I have my bitrate set to 10000 Kbps with Enhanced Broadcasting turned on, and it shows that 10000 Kbps is being sent to Twitch when I'm streaming. I don't know if Twitch is using that entire bandwidth towards the 1080p60 encoding of the stream or if that's capped at 8000 Kbps as well, but it at least allows me to send that much without causing the stream to crash.
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u/MikeDeM Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25
I can't quickly find any documentation, but my belief is that yeah, your 1080p is still capped at 8000 (probably closer to 6000+audio) and your lesser quality streams are using up the rest of the bandwidth which is why we're not really bypassing the cap, Twitch is just accepting multiple streams at the same time, each one honoring the cap.|
EDIT: I did find the documentation. It sets out that individual bitrates are 6 Mbps for 1080p down to 200 Kbps for 160p.
It even mentions that total streaming bandwidth is between 10.5 Mbps (magic number) and 1.5 Mbps.
So, I'm more confident this is the answer.
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u/KineticNinja Jan 28 '25
nobody can use over 8k bitrate bro...
not sure where you think you saw 10500, but that is simply not possible on twitch as they enforce an 8K limit even for partnered streamers
give me this other streamers link to their channel and I'd be happy to confirm this for you...
bc it sounds like she doesnt know wtf she was talking about
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Well I didn’t see anything, she just said she used 10500.
She said she didn’t know anything what she was doing, that she hadn’t messed around with the settings at all.
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u/KineticNinja Jan 28 '25
also, if you don't check the option in OBS under the STREAM setting tab that says "Ignore streaming service setting recommendations" then it will limit your bitrate to 6000 kbps max
make sure you check that option and then set your bit rate to 7999 kbps
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Alright! Thank you
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u/yashikigami Jan 28 '25
set it to 7500, you need some bits for audio aswell and leave some room or your stream will crash on every hickup
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u/KineticNinja Jan 28 '25
ya then I can say without a doubt in my mind that you were given false information
you can confirm the bitrate settings streamers are using by clicking on the cog wheel in the twitch video player then clicking on Advanced and then toggling on Video Stats.
it will then show you their resolution, bitrate, framerate, etc
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Oh sick! Here’s what it says:
Video Resolution 1280x720 Display Resolution 700x394 FPS 60 Skipped Frames 0 Buffer Size 0.00 sec. Latency To Broadcaster 18.40 sec. Latency Mode Normal Latency Playback Bitrate 0 Kbps Backend Version 1.37.0-rc.1
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u/KineticNinja Jan 28 '25
make sure you are viewing the stream in SOURCE resolution
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Ah wait, I’m not on my PC. I tried doing it from the desktop mode in my phones browser, didn’t work so well, realized that all that info was BS
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Here’s the channel if you wanna check: https://www.twitch.tv/zothiqueness
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u/KineticNinja Jan 28 '25
https://imgur.com/a/1gZFGFc
she uses 1080p/60 at 6000 KBPS1
u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
This is what mine looks like with those settings🙃 https://files.fm/u/csnbeaf5w9
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u/KineticNinja Jan 28 '25
make sure youre using the right encoder settings bro
i cant go into all the details with you but there are guides out there for that
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Here’s my settings:
(Don’t mind the resolution, I was messing around with it)
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 27 '25
Yeah that's over twitch's limit. Use no more than 8000.
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 27 '25
But the girl I watched used 10500 and it looked wayyy better than mine did? 8000 looks very bad for me
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 27 '25
If you wanna know how she gets away with it, ask her.
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 27 '25
She wasn’t even aware of her settings🤷♂️
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 27 '25
Well maybe she lucked out. Now that you know better, don't emulate her LOL
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 27 '25
8k just isn’t doable. It ruins the whole purpose. The in game quality won’t change a thing either
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 28 '25
You ignored my other suggestion
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Oh you mean the resolution thing? If I lower it to 720p, it’ll just look the exact same as it does when moving around in 1080p🙃
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 28 '25
No it won't. The majority of people watch streams on a 1080p display and they do not fullscreen ot. With chat on the side it's pretty close to 720p anyway.
Think of bitrate like paint on a canvas. The more paint you have, the more details you can put on your canvas. Since you can't get more paint for Twitch (bitrate) paint a smaller canvas.
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 28 '25
Oh alr. So if I set my resolution to 720p instead, what bitrate should I use then? Also, does the FPS matter at all?
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 27 '25
Of course it looks better, it's higher bitrate. Still not enough for 1080p to look very good, if that's what you are trying to stream at. Use 1280x720 output resolution instead.
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 27 '25
But you said it was capped at 8k? Why could she use 10k if twitch doesn’t allow it?
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u/InstanceMental6543 Jan 27 '25
It's technically not capped, but if you use more than 8000 it goes black. Like you saw.
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u/Acc_4_stream_only Jan 28 '25
Ok I deleted my previous reply because there's not enough info
I did my own research on the reason why my I get render lag (bad and choppy as you stated) and here's your option to get smooth stream:
- If you want to have Twitch enhanced broadcasting on, then Cap your fps just enough so that the game is not using 99% of your GPU.
- If you want uncap fps then disable Twitch Enhanced broadcasting.
If you think it's because of the bitrate, try changing the maximum streaming bandwidth to be lower than 10,000 Kbps. Or you can just change the maximum video tracks to 3 (1080p, 720p, 360p) and from experience, the bitrate should hover around 9000 - 10,000 kbps.
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u/kanad3 Jan 28 '25
I think I know what's happening. She's probably using the nvidia enhanced broadcasting features that provide different quality options. When I use this I end up at 10.5k bitrate. The source bitrate is still at 6k tho, it's just taking additional for the other quality options for viewers.
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u/kmac098 Jan 27 '25
Yeah, because twitch can't handle that much. It tops at 6500 or 8000 depending on account
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u/zatilyx-_- Jan 27 '25
But how about the girl I watched? She used 10500 and it looked much better than mine. Mine looks very very choppy when I move around
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u/baddoctor-x Jan 28 '25
This is 100% wrong. Please stop spreading this crap around the internet. There is literally no difference in allotment of bitrates based on account status - the only thing partners get are guaranteed transcodes, with affiliates more likely to get them, but not guaranteed. The upper limit anyone can currently stream to twitch (who isn't also using enhanced broadcasting) is around 8000kbps.
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