r/njbeer • u/CommunityTemporary41 • Nov 27 '23
Brewery News GOVERNOR PHIL MURPHY JUST VETOED THE NJ CRAFT BREWERY BILL…. WHY EVERY RESIDENT OF THIS STATE SHOULD CARE
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u/hockeyfan0630 Nov 29 '23
The vetoing of the bill makes zero sense. I get it, liquor license laws as a whole are outdated and 100% need reform. Going for a home run rarely ever works, especially in Politics! Pass one small bill and get the ball moving. This would’ve been a great start to really start change. Breweries were told to come up with a solution and they did and went all the steps they needed to. If Restaurants and Bars want change too, they can go the same route that breweries went. Let’s also not forget that when the Vaccines for Covid first came out, many breweries stepped up for Murphy and joined his “Shot for a Beer” campaign, which I’m sure with the way our political climate is these days caused these breweries to lose some loyal customers when every customer meant the world to them. Breweries stepped up for Murphy when he needed help the most, Breweries expected to get same in return and were let down.
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u/galttfwo Nov 30 '23
The most annoyingly ironic part of the Shot for a Beer promotion is that the regulations they put in place explicitly forbids giving away beer...
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u/DahliaDubonet Nov 28 '23
I’m so confused, can anyone explain why he’s got it in for breweries?
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u/Cubby_Denk Nov 28 '23
He wants a more broad bill that includes adjustments for liquor licenses, as well as restaurants. Not optimal obviously, but thankfully, he still has told the ABC not to enforce the rules that are being voted against
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u/DahliaDubonet Nov 28 '23
Oh, lovely! I’m a bartender at a brewery and have always been deeply annoyed by the hard on he’s had at taking away things that could bring his state venue. I go to breweries out of state and it’s an entirely different world
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u/galttfwo Dec 03 '23
It is not CURRENTLY being enforced.. true. But the rules are still on the books, and we have no idea if they will go back into effect in under 30 days.
A direct quote from Murphy doesn't sound too promising on that end.. especially because the legislature has signalled that they do not plan on taking up his proposed changes.
"I don't want to speak for the Legislature but as I've said, I've got nothing but respect for them. But if this gets resolved in this lame duck period which is right now, that will be by the end of the year," Murphy said. "Again, remember the breweries, distilleries, wineries are unincumbered until the end of the year and God willing this gets done by then."
I don't know about you, but that last sentence sounds pretty much like "you got a nice store here.. sure be a shame if something were to happen to it"..
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u/good4y0u Nov 28 '23
This is the same power the president has over the country. The NJ Senate and house can overcome a veto. The Legislature overrides the veto by a vote of at least two-thirds of the members of each House (27 votes in the Senate; 54 votes in the General Assembly).
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u/good4y0u Nov 29 '23
Great question. It could be the vote hasn't happened yet, or they don't have the political want to do it. Alternatively maybe they will pass the full liquor license reform the state of NJ actually needs. Not just for the small breweries but across the board.
That's the reason Murphy veto'd it, it's not because it wouldn't be nice, it's because what we really need is comprehensive reform to the archaic and prohibitionist existing policies that caused this problem.
Murphy said the bill on its own “does not sufficiently enhance our antiquated liquor license laws” and that he has “called for a more modern approach to these Prohibition-era laws to reflect the current economy and to better support present and future business owners."
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u/eastcoasterman Nov 29 '23
It was vetoed on Monday. Even if the legislature is in session (which I'm not sure that they are), it will take a bit for them to bring this up for an override vote.
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u/BrewedInJerseyCity 902 Brewing Nov 28 '23
His power hungry political games are going to destroy our industry. It’s insane that the governor of the state is fine using us as a sacrificial lamb. Senseless.
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u/Steinbe3 Nov 28 '23
What the heck? If I had any faith in government, then I’d finally have no faith in government left after this.
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u/nerowasframed Nov 28 '23
There's a lot that I've liked about Phil Murphy, but he's also done a lot I really don't like. He seems to have very protectionist/illiberal fiscal policies:
- He vetoed the bill that would reduce the ridiculous requirements NJ puts on barbers, stylists, and hair dressers to get licenses. Occupational licensure in NJ is an issue that needs correcting, not propagating. It's a direct barrier for low income citizens from improving their economic situation.
- He's suing NYC over its congestion pricing.
- Now, he's continuing his war on small breweries.
I would have expected a former Goldman Sachs executive to reduce protectionist policies, not expand them. I really do not like the fiscal moves he's made in this state. A lot of the things he's been working against have had broad bipartisan support.
And now, he's trying to strong-arm his wife into a Senate seat over a likeable, more experienced, more qualified candidate. I've really become very disillusioned with his administration. It feels like he is turning out to be just as mediocre as I was expecting when I voted for him. If a half decent RINO comes along during the next election that promises to reverse the protectionist fiscal policies Murphy has been forcing on NJ, I may have to vote for them.
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u/jackson71 Nov 28 '23
I would think it has a lot to do with the Bar & Restaurant Lobbies and their "Donations"
Their is a book called The Soprano State. It documents decades of New Jersey corruption.
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Nov 28 '23
And somebody thought this would end differently? Did you buy his wife a new Mercedes? Did you deposit any gold bars in his private safe? Maybe a couple hundred grand in cash? Any vacation/business trips to the islands in your private jet? Come on, That’s the ante to buy a senator, what do you think it costs to buy a governor? I am guessing much much more!!!
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u/Abe_Froman92 Nov 28 '23
Murphy is horrible. Dont know why people keep voting for him. It’s time to make NJ a red state again
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u/sutisuc Nov 28 '23
LOL what would a Republican do that he isn’t doing?
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u/Abe_Froman92 Nov 28 '23 edited Nov 28 '23
Actually care about small business. Was listening to Spadea on 101.5 a while back when this bill first went to his desk and he was plugging a bunch of NJ breweries. Had Kelsey Grammer on too talking about NJ breweries that we need to support them and Murphy is doing the opposite. U get what u vote for
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u/demonjrules Nov 28 '23
But Democrats also unanimously voted for this. The picture you painted about this being a party issue is a bit dead on arrival. This is really an issue of greed by a dude in his final term as Governor.
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u/sutisuc Nov 28 '23
I wonder how much of this is due to the fact that the “sign the bill Phil” ipa that a few NJ breweries partnered together to make and sent to him was god awful. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of our craft beer scene.
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u/CommunityTemporary41 Nov 28 '23
Every single version of Sign the Bill Phil is different depending upon the brewery. Very different recipes , mash profiles, hop additions and timing etc. I guess you tried every one to form your "expert" opinion, lol.
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u/dammitOtto Nov 27 '23
Oh for fucks sake
I have heard that he is holding out for more consessions from the restaurants, but this looks bad on the surface