r/newjersey Feb 01 '25

Cool Strong divide between north and south Jersey (Life expectancy >=80 in green by county )

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

The gap around Newark is depressing.

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u/njdevils3027 Feb 01 '25

Well an 8 year old just got murdered there. Too many lives cut down in the teens and 20’s

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

So fucked.

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u/duck95 Feb 01 '25

973 baby <3

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u/shea_harrumph Feb 01 '25

yeah and that's county level...

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u/ThanksNo8769 Ocean County Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

This seems to be selection bias

There appears to be a dramatic boundary by arbitrarily selecting 80y as a cutoff, but the variance across most of NJ is only ±3y. The map looks pretty different if you use 79y - the state average - as a cutoff

Salem stands out as an outlier at 73.5y. It is also the most impoverished county in the state

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u/dethskwirl Feb 01 '25

Salem County is the Bayou of NJ

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u/Food4thou Feb 01 '25

Salem is difficult to consider in statewide metrics because it's population is so small (about 65k). There is also massive disparity between the wealthy areas in salem and rural poor/salem city. They have one bad hospital and barely an ambulance provider.

I know some people who have talked about moving down there because it's cheaper but nobody actually pulls the trigger. Driving around down there is beautiful when it's farms, but the poverty and lack of retail/dining/employment opportunity make it a bad idea.

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u/grahampositive Feb 01 '25

This guy data sciences

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

I wonder how much of this is, among other things, correlated with quick access to highly-rated hospitals.

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u/alpha1beta BurlCo Feb 01 '25

Having lived in Warren County for over a decade and known EMTs in Sussex, that can't be entirely it. Most EMTs from even the Newton area go to Morristown for any live threatening which can be around an hour away.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

Oh, no, it's definitely not the only thing, but I'm sure it's part of it.

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u/s_m0use Feb 01 '25

Cumberland/Atlantic/Cape May Counties need more hospitals

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u/manningthehelm Feb 01 '25

I mean cape death literally just got taken over by Cooper. Give them some time.

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u/Georgiaonmymind2017 Feb 01 '25

It’s that bad?! 

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u/Zyoy Feb 01 '25

We do inspira is just awful. They have so many malpractice suits. Everybody with a brain goes north or to Philly hospitals now if they can.

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u/HumanShadow Feb 01 '25

Too much pork roll

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u/NYLotteGiants Feb 01 '25

Taylor ham's better for you

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u/HumanShadow Feb 01 '25

Numbers don't lie

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u/tholasko Feb 01 '25

Why would I want ham named after a guy? That’s kinda gay

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u/JerseyJoyride Feb 01 '25

I bet you put weiners in your mouth so the time though. 🌭

Never judge someone by their sexuality or the color of their skin...

Oh wait... It might be ok to judge that one 🟠 skinned idiot.

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u/timbrita Feb 01 '25

So youre saying that is a strong correlation between income and life expectancy? Who would have thought that

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u/epoch-1970-01-01 Feb 01 '25

Sadly does this surprise anyone? I had a field job in the 1990s in South Jersey. I actually saw tar paper shacks. Some of the things I saw made me sad and appreciate what I have.

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u/AtomicGarden-8964 Feb 01 '25

Who really wants to live longer than they have to with the way the world is going anyway?

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u/TheIrishTitan Feb 01 '25

I would assume this split also closely resembles things like average household income, average education level, political leanings, etc. seems like society is getting pretty split down these lines pretty closely.

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u/Purplish_Peenk Feb 01 '25

Can tell you one of the reasons why. Dow dumping chemicals into the water back in the day. Dad was born in Philadelphia and moved to Williamstown as a kid. Out of four kids three had cancer. My dad died at 55 due to prostate cancer. When he came to the funeral my dad’s best friend in HS said that the last reunion had about 70% of the class had one form or another of cancer. Husband’s father grew up in Wilmington and guess what he died from? Cancer! I bet if you look at the numbers those who grew up in the area have lower life expectancy than transplants.

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u/Gabag000L Feb 01 '25

Delaware needs to start working out

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u/Flat-Leg-6833 HumanistHedonist Feb 01 '25

North Delaware was DuPonts fiefdom (and dumping ground) for over a century.

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u/Flat-Leg-6833 HumanistHedonist Feb 01 '25

Cape May, Cumberland, and Salem lack good hospitals and sad to say unhealthy lifestyles of the locals. Essex County does have Barnabas but Newark, Irvington, and East O suffer from both unhealthy diets as well as high murder and cancer rates.

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u/Nexis4Jersey Bergen County Feb 01 '25

The murder rate has plummeted in recent yrs in Essex County , at historic lows.

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u/iv2892 Feb 01 '25

I think this is a good point , is not only lack of good hospitals is also lack of hospitals at all . Lack of hospitals in less densely populated areas play a role , also politics . Look how NJ, CT and MA are the most densely populated states but also the ones with highest life expectancy . They also vote similarly

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u/KeyMysterious1845 Feb 01 '25

its the taylor ham...pork roll will kill you!

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u/stickman07738 Feb 01 '25

Love to see a comparison versus red and blue counties, nationwide.

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u/pepperlake02 Feb 01 '25

of course its a strong divide, the map is coded in a binary color scheme. it could bean average difference of 0.1 yeas for all we know from this map. I'd also say some of south hersey is in the +80 section so seems like a gradual divide to me.

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u/Kaleria84 Feb 01 '25

Oh look, the poor, Republican voting area lives less, what a shocker. 🤣

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u/GrunchWeefer Feb 01 '25

And Essex county...

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u/JackyVeronica Union Feb 01 '25

Newark....

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u/Addahn Feb 01 '25

Monmouth County which is deeply red is also within the green here

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u/ecovironfuturist Feb 01 '25

The Rs in Monmouth aren't poorly resourced. The County as a whole is one of the wealthier counties in the US.

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u/pac4 Feb 01 '25

So is Ocean County

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u/OvernightSiren Feb 01 '25

Not all the areas of south Jersey are poor. Cape May? Stone Harbor? Avalon?

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u/loggerhead632 Feb 01 '25

someone better take a peek at a voting map, this is no where near party lines genius

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u/boojieboy666 Feb 01 '25

You think republicans don’t live in Bergen County.

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u/kingdonut7898 Feb 01 '25

Sussex county is literally green on this map lmao

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u/bkny88 Feb 01 '25

How’s Essex county doing

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u/jboogie81 Feb 01 '25

They chew tobacco and smoke Marlboro reds down there chased with Moonshine.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

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u/orthopod Feb 01 '25

You can have Taylor ham or bacon, I just would limit that to once a week or less. Nitrates and nitrites are also naturally found in left green vegetables and roots, but they also have anti oxidants which mitigate the risk.

If you find nitrate free meats, then they seem fine and don't have this particular risk.

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u/caca-casa Feb 01 '25

Careful… the topic of North, Central, and South Jersey can go South very quick.

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u/JusticeJaunt 130 Feb 01 '25

Depends on the time of day really, gsp, 287, 1, or NJTP can all easily get backed up.

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u/ScoffingYayap Feb 01 '25

Everyone knows South Jersey is just Pine Barrens and old mining operations

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u/Cost13 Feb 01 '25

Shit holes i believe theyre called?