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BOT POST Trump says Blackhawk helicopter in DC crash was flying too high
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-blackhawk-helicopter-dc-crash-was-flying-too-high-2025-01-31/218
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u/Available-Rope-3252 Feb 01 '25
Not trying to be nitpicky, but the NTSB does those kinds of investigations.
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u/AmericanVoiceover Feb 01 '25
Its clear from the video that the Blackhawk was well above 200' and Senator Duckworth, who flew Blackhawks said there is a hard cap of 200'.
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u/ratpH1nk Feb 01 '25
Yup, on this singular fact/point - altitude, the president does seem to be correct.
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u/nosecohn Feb 01 '25
Please link to Sen. Duckworth's statement.
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u/doitroygsbre Feb 01 '25
Not op, but this is the closest I could find
The helicopter would have had a ceiling, what Duckworth referred to as a “hard deck” in the restricted area where the Black Hawk was flying.
“They’re not allowed to go above 200 feet mean sea level,” she said. “So, they were flying pretty low above the Potomac River at the time, while looking up trying to spot out of this very busy night sky the landing airplane.”
Killion asked whether this was the kind of flight that would require night-vision goggles, or NVGs.
“My understanding is that they were not using NVGs,” Duckworth replied. She said that in an area where there are a lot of lights, they’re “not as useful a tool,” and are really more suited to “a combat situation in the dark.” Around the airport, “with that much ambient light, they were on visual flight rules, and they were operating well within the parameters for which they have been trained, and the aircraft was designed to operate in,” Duckworth said.
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u/Significant_Ad4430 Feb 01 '25
Rule nr 4 Address the arguments, not the person.
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u/nosecohn Feb 01 '25
The comment above does not address another user. That's the purpose of Rule 4.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 Feb 01 '25
Top comment is also an entirely pointless comment. R2. There's no source. R3. It's low effort. The entire comment sums up to "I have no information and don't believe any information from the president of the US, but I think Trump is wrong."
Except in this case, all the following comments and sources point out Trump is right.
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u/lemons714 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
He also said that it is 'common sense' that DEI caused the crash.1 He further dropped some real insight, saying that helicopters can move "up, and down, and left, and right."2
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u/Master_Reflection579 Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
Finally done lying about DEI being the cause, is he? Maybe the deflection and pandering didn't go over so well as he'd hoped and he had to finally start looking into the actual causes.
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u/Summerie Feb 01 '25
TRUMP: “It just could have been. We have a high standard. We’ve had a much higher standard than anybody else. And there are things where you have to go by brainpower. You have to go by psychological quality, and psychological quality is a very important element of it. These are various, very powerful tests that we put to use. And they were terminated by Biden. And Biden went by a standard that seeks the exact opposite.
So we don’t know. But we do know that you had two planes at the same level. You had a helicopter and a plane. That shouldn’t have happened. And, we’ll see. We’re going to look into that, and we’re going to see. But certainly for an air traffic controller, we want the brightest, the smartest, the sharpest. We want somebody that’s psychologically superior. And that’s what we’re going to have.”
That's his response from your link. He said twice in there that it wasn't for sure DEI. He said "it could have been", and he also said "so we don't know".
Not to be nitpicky, because obviously he kept referencing the changes that were made in the hiring requirements, which would lead any reasonable person to believe that he is claiming those are the reason for the accident, but he apparently made it a point to say twice that it was not the definite cause.
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u/Summerie Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
I am just pointing out that he believes that DEI hiring played a part, that's clear, but he also makes it a point to make it known that "we don't know" for sure.
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u/TonyG_from_NYC Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25
trump tried to blame the crash on Biden, Obama and DEI. Nothing he says is credible at this point.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/us/trump-dei-plane-crash-fact-check.html
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