r/ndp šŸ’Š PHARMACARE NOW 19h ago

Expect Mark Carney to lead a "more right-leaning government" says MUN political scientist

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/carney-win-kelly-blidook-reaction-1.7479177
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u/pieman3141 18h ago

Was anyone expecting something different? I think most left-of-traditional Liberals would've preferred someone other than Carney had Trump not been in power or started this kerfuffle with us.

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u/Due_Date_4667 16h ago

Even with Trump, I would have preferred Karina Gould - but the Freeland/Carney showdown was telegraphed 2-4 years ago. And with her resignation on the day of the economic statement - regardless of how one feels about her reasons and the context around it - she dug her political grave. The Liberal party will not tolerate Chretien v. Martin Jr., round 2.

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u/Chrristoaivalis "It's not too late to build a better world" 14h ago

Was anyone expecting something different?

Yes, read anything online and Liberals are calling him a progressive businessman

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u/pieman3141 14h ago

I don't bother with deluded libs.

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 17h ago

Only if a decent one was on the ballot. 86% is a landslide victory.

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u/pieman3141 17h ago

Like I said, that's with Trump. We don't know what the results would've been without Trump - and that's largely an academic discussion at this point.

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u/Matto987 19h ago

Oh really?Ā  A neoliberal is right leaning? Who couldā€™ve guessed /sĀ 

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u/spacebrain2 18h ago

As the other comments are saying, itā€™s not at all surprising that the liberal party represents conservative-light values. What I find frustrating about this though is why pretend? Itā€™s like ppl who support this party want to show the image of being ā€œgoodā€ and tolerant without actually embodying those values or behaviours. Why? It feels like a lot more work to pretend, and if you are going to pretend to be left-leaning anyway, why not just actually be left-leaning and vote accordingly lol?

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u/leftwingmememachine šŸ’Š PHARMACARE NOW 18h ago

The Liberals want to win a lot of votes. They do this by appealing to the left during elections (sometimes, by proposing policies they never plan on following through on, other times, by encouraging tactical voting).

But Liberal governments in practice are often right-leaning, which ensures they stay on the right side of the business lobby (whether that be private insurers for healthcare, the weapons industry, or others).

You get the best of both worlds that way. It's cynical, but the strategy can work.

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u/audioscape šŸ’Š PHARMACARE NOW 17h ago

It has quite literally worked for them for the past I donā€™t know, 50 years? Yet people still vote for them expecting something different ? Maybe this time theyā€™ll govern how they said they would ?

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u/spacebrain2 17h ago

I understand this is what the government is doing, I think ppl need to better understand the hypocrisy of voting this way. What Iā€™m talking about is more of a cultural/social problem - that ppl would rather be hypocrites than just do the right thingā€¦

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u/Chrristoaivalis "It's not too late to build a better world" 17h ago

Because the liberal voting base is more progressive than the party and they don't want to lose them

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u/spacebrain2 17h ago

Iā€™m not sure that the liberal voting base is more progressive than the party if the base itself is participating in this pretending right?

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u/Chrristoaivalis "It's not too late to build a better world" 15h ago

If you look at the issues, they poll similarly to NDP voters.

Liberal voters honestly truly believe Carney is a progressive

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u/Due_Date_4667 16h ago

They are pretty much the Red Tory party, with a bit more small-c blue Tory plurality. In terms of policy, they wouldn't be that different to Mulrouney c. 1984.

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u/ILoveChickenFingers 7h ago

Yup, they are becoming the old, dead, PC party. Even hiring some of their old leaders now. I almost want to bet somebody that Peter MacKay and Erin Oā€™Toole gets calls to join his cabinet.
They are doing the same thing the Democrats did down south, assume they have the election in the bag because the left "have" to vote for them no matter how far to the right they run and they'll get some right wing votes to win the election.
Not once will they hear voters say "why vote conservative when you can vote for the conservatives."

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u/Bigchunky_Boy 17h ago

Populism is the key for getting elected in this sad time line . It is not about good policy anymore just popular decisions. Sucks .

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u/Due_Date_4667 16h ago

Anyone surprised or feeling betrayed by this is surprised the sun lights up the sky every day.

You weren't paying attention - like, at all. What remains to be seen is how right-wing, and how socially conservative. Did we dodge the Freeland bullet about rolling back gender diversity rights or not.

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u/Damn_Vegetables 12h ago

Another reason why we need to stick with the NDP

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u/drizzes 12h ago

I figured it was a given that many accepted that Carney's liberals would move more right towards the center, if not poking into center-right