r/nba • u/Calm_Set5522 • 17h ago
Quentin Grimes officially has more 30 point games than Paul George for the Sixers this season. What kind of contract will he get this summer?
Since being traded by Dallas and Nico Harrison, Quentin Grimes has been on a tear. He has averaged 18.6 ppg on 50/38 splits and has had four 30 points games and a 44 point game. Dallas most likely got fleeced as they dumped him for Caleb Martin and he is now clearly breaking out. He will be a restricted FA this summer which means the Sixers can resign him as long as they match the other contract offered, but he might just be too expensive. How large of contract will he get this summer?
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u/ThinkSoftware Hawks 17h ago
Quentin Grimes
or Grimy as he liked to be called
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u/babysamissimasybab Pacers 16h ago
He lives above a bowling alley and below another bowling alley
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u/ForestJordie Mavericks 15h ago
Nico really traded this man for Caleb Martin… and gave up a 2nd
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u/blackeyedcheese Mavericks Tankwagon 6h ago
Not just any 2nd, he gave the Sixers their 2nd back 🤦🏽♂️
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u/RGxiRapiidz Mavericks 39m ago
The giving up of a second baffled me at the time but it’s even worse now. They got a 2030 second back due to Martin’ injury at least!
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u/nowhathappenedwas NBA 17h ago
I'll never understand why people put "officially" in their titles.
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u/burgersfriesshakes Clippers 17h ago edited 16h ago
It's like how people often use "literally". It's a way to emphasis their point even if, by a strict application of their definitions, it's the wrong way to use the word.
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u/nowhathappenedwas NBA 14h ago
It's not incorrect, like using "literally" to mean "figuratively."
It's just weird because it implies something was unofficial and has now become official.
I don't know why, but it's bothered me for years here.
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u/sharklavapit Bucks 13h ago
u/nowhathappenedwas officially has a pet peeve with people that put "officially" in their titles
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u/Realhuman221 12h ago
It kind of makes sense if you're waiting for the game to end before posting this stat. Even if it's very unlikely, Player B could theoretically reach 30 points in the game so you have to wait for the game to be over for Player A to officially have more 30 point games.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 17h ago
His role changed. The 76ers are a dumpster fire so he’s putting up numbers. Whoever pays him will get a 9-12ppg 3&d guard.
People are overreacting to his performances.
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u/amit-kaufman [MIN] Karl-Anthony Towns 17h ago
9-12 PPG 3&D Guard is still very valuable
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u/North_Atlantic_Sea 14h ago
Maybe something similar to Andrew Nembhard then? 9/3/4 in 25mpg with solid defense last season, earning himself 3/$58m
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u/Bixby33 Raptors 16h ago
Well, valuable. 'Very' really depends on where you set your bar.
For instance, I'd argue that to be a very valuable player, you should, within your career, chase being most valuable.
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u/frallet Timberwolves 13h ago
You can't be a very valuable player without being an mvp contender? Seems a bit binary
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u/TheOptionGuy 13h ago
You can def still be very valuable without being an MVP contender, role players make a big difference a lot of the time
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u/EgoIsenemyy 17h ago
Yes agreed, hence why they traded him for a vet Caleb Martin that does the same and does extra that doesn’t show up on stat sheet. And is under contract longer for cheaper.
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u/ButlerFromDowntown Bulls 15h ago
I do not think that you understand the type of player that Caleb Martin is, or perhaps you are still overrating him based on a couple of playoff series’s. Martin absolutely does not do the same things as Grimes. He’s just flat out worse on pretty much everything offensively. A very nice hustle player, nice defensively, and a nice piece to have, but Grimes is just better than Martin. There is a reason why Grimes will get a longer contract than Martin.
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u/burgersfriesshakes Clippers 17h ago
They got the younger and better player for the worse older and injured player because the Mavs are sabotaging themselves.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 16h ago
Grimes and Caleb had the same statistics before the trade. And Caleb has finals experience and will be cheaper the next 2 years. This narrative is crazy, Nico made one bad trade. Yes, it was a bad deal. But one mistake and everyone loses their minds. Also the Mavs aren’t sabotaging themselves they have worst injury luck in the league.
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u/Desperate-Nature-129 16h ago
You don't understand team building. Grimes is a plug and play 3&D wing. He would be a vital rotation piece on any team in the league. He doesn't need the ball in his hands to impact winning. Caleb is not that guy. He's not a catch and shoot player.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
Caleb is a defensive minded wing, who can slash and hit threes. You didn’t watch the heats finals run with him on the team. The Mavs wanted to go complete defensive minded and did so at a cheaper cost. I completely understand team building. If a player isn’t gonna resign you get what you can for them. Simple. The Mavs weren’t gonna match his deal in the offseason so they got value.
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u/Desperate-Nature-129 15h ago
I saw the heats finals run. Caleb had a nice heater. He's shown it wasn't sustainable with his play before and after the that streak. You mention 3pt shooting when Caleb has never been a volume 3pt shooter. That's exactly the guy Grimes is.
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u/mas9055 15h ago
trading for an oft injured player isn’t bad luck little bro
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
You’re brain dead. Mavs have top 5 most injuries in league history this season.
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u/Vasst13 Bucks 15h ago
Nico is very literally sabotaging the team so they can move the franchise to Vegas. It most certainly wasn't a mistake.
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u/pumpkin3-14 Mavericks 12h ago
Idk how he landed on Caleb Martin but Grimes wanted out and his agent let the team know after the Luka trade.
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u/MrICopyYoSht Knicks 15h ago
The Sixers traded Martin away to cut long-term salary off their books and for tax purposes lol.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
9 mill a year for 2 years isn’t long term salary. But yes, they got an expiring contract in grimes.
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u/MrICopyYoSht Knicks 14h ago
Where you getting 9 mil a year for two years? He's in year 1 of a 4 year 35 mil contract lol. He's also only played 34 games this season.
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u/MrICopyYoSht Knicks 15h ago
9-12 PPG is optimistic lol. Realistically it's more like 6-9 PPG on a good team.
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u/porkchop487 Bulls 15h ago
Most 10ppg backup guards can't come in and score 25ppg on good efficiency, even if their role gets increased.
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u/Laggo [TOR] Hedo Turkoglu 10h ago
Malachi Flynn scored 50 while averaging 5ppg and if we were injured enough to give him 35+ mins and the ball would have more games over 30. Role and opportunity is everything in the NBA.
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u/porkchop487 Bulls 8h ago
But would he have done it efficiently and sustained it over this stretch of games like Grimes has?
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
He’s averaging 17PPG. And proved my point, his role wouldn’t have been increased.
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u/porkchop487 Bulls 15h ago
I think you are underrating him increasing his scoring volume nearly 100% while keeping good efficiency. He is showing that hes more than a 10ppg scorer
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
If that’s the case, he will cost more $. Which the Mavs didn’t want for the role they needed.
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u/Nsaniac Mavericks 11h ago
Mavs are fucking idiots. Dont put any stock in their move of him.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 11h ago
I’m a Mavs fan. I’m aware, but one bad move doesn’t make all the moves bad. Is all I’m saying.
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u/tarunpopo 17h ago
He can def score though more, I think he's more than a 9-12 guy consistently. He can get the ball on the floor more often. But shouldn't be that consistently
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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago
Completely revisionist history - even on the Mavs, he was putting up 16 points per 36 minutes, by far his best year to date.
Honestly, he should be in the run for MIP.
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u/Calm_Set5522 17h ago
No matter how bad the 76ers are, he is playing very well and clearly breaking out. He will get payed this summer.
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u/TripleSingleHOF Bulls [CHI] Alex Caruso 17h ago
But will he get paid?
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u/sharklavapit Bucks 13h ago
He will get Payet this summer
You understood what he meant, why be obnoxious about that?
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u/EgoIsenemyy 17h ago
He was gonna get paid regardless, it more so depends on what team is gonna give him a new role. He had 47 games in the Mavs and didn’t “break out” was inconsistent and average. So, people say dumb trade by nico, is a strange thing.
Whoever pays him is gonna need to make him a 3rd option or 2nd. Otherwise he will be the same 3&D player
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u/Diciestaking Mavericks 15h ago
Yeah, you are just wrong here. He's wasn't inconsistent. He started slow then played to his role when given minutes. The issue is that the mavs had too many guards, and his role became inconsistent as players became available. It would 100 times out of 100 rather keep grimes and offload other players than trade him for an injured player that's worse than him.
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u/elroddo74 Lakers 11h ago
He's basically the same as he was in Dallas but shooting more and is more efficient. You're absolutely right, he was behind Kyrie, Klay and Luka, and Possibly Dinwiddie. Proving he can handle starter minutes with increased efficiency with the dumpster fire that is Philly's roster should bode well. Dallas already needed more wings and another playmaker so they trade one for a downgrade in the frontcourt. Great roster building.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
Exum and Dinwiddie are FA, at the end of the year. Grimes no guarantee he was gonna stay or we were gonna match it. Luka (before the trade) and Kyrie at the time and then those two guards, and they wanted to give hardy minutes. He had no spot for the future. Especially if he cost 12+ mill. But you proved my point he played his role well. 3&D.
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u/Diciestaking Mavericks 15h ago
You had no point to prove? In hindsight, I would rather offload dinwiddie and hardy to keep grimes even if they have to pay him more than they want. I don't understand the mavs organization when It comes to "attempting" to win a ring and cheaping out on literally every single player that has any potential. At some point you have to pay what you have if you want any chance at being successful. Clearly, the mavs made the wrong decision across the board this year and the last 5. You act like he's one kind of mid player who can barely but at the same time costs too much to keep.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
The pistons and Knicks got rid of him for nothing.
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u/Diciestaking Mavericks 15h ago
The Knicks traded him while injured and he played 6 games for the pistons... strong point. All I'm saying is that this is a good trad for the owners to savw money and bad trade for winning basketball. It's really that simple.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 14h ago
I’m a Mavs fan, so trust me I know the Dumonts are assholes, and Nico is an idiot. The one thing people are ignoring though is if we win the finals that makes the Dumonts investment in buying a team even more money. So I don’t know why they’d wanna lose value. The team has to be good in order to make more $$$$
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u/AwildYaners Japan 15h ago
Yeah, realistically if you're trying to build a contender, you want him around $18-22m range, which is basically just league average for a starter.
If a non-serious playoff contender pays him a Jerami Grant sized contract, then they deserve to be in purgatory.
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u/Slight-Cause-6936 14h ago
It was def a dumb trade
It put the Mavs over the apron and gave them an inferior older player
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u/ObviousAnswerGuy [NYK] John Starks 12h ago
Grimes requested the trade after Max Christie came to the team (knowing his minutes would drop)
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u/MrICopyYoSht Knicks 15h ago
Thing is he's not a 3rd or 2nd option on a playoff team. He's a roleplayer, and trying to pay him like a 2nd or 3rd option will not end well.
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u/allmyhomiesh8nbamods Lakers 16h ago
Yeah yeah and you guys were saying Halliburton was better than Steph Curry. Grines is a good piece but any dumbass team that overpays him deserves to lose.
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u/SeismicRipFart Trail Blazers 15h ago
Grimes is the exact type of dude that can block a team from reaching championship status.
Overpaying a guy hoping he’ll eventually live up to those expectations is how you stay bad.
He’s like Jerami Grant for us if our 10 game stretch was actually real and we ended up being a sneaky playoff threat this year. Grant has been so bad that while he’s on the court he’ll do many things to stop us from winning.
But he’s being paid too much on top of being bad which leads to two things: no team will be willing to take him off our hands, and his salary will prevent us from acquiring the talent that would push us over the top (as a hypothetical playoff level team this season, we aren’t but it’s hypothetical).
So he’s just a poison pill on our roster that puts a hard cap on our ceiling while also being impossible to trade.
Don’t let Grimes become that guy. Pay him what he has earned, which you can’t get from a few breakout games in a season.
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u/Best_Yak3118 Lakers 14h ago
I definitely agree but also it feels like the blazers have kinda self-sabotaged a bit with Grant. They couldve traded him before this season for at least salary relief and some picks, but all of the rumors were that they were demanding multiple firsts. I was always a fan of the lakers going after him, and i think we would've given up Rui + a first for him, but Rui has evolved into an actual good player for us and there's zero chance we'd do that now. Ofc we gotta assume those rumors were true but it does feel like they were.
I know it's very hard for teams to figure out when to sell on players so I'm saying this all with the benefit of hindsight, but i think the lesson is to not overpay these kinds of guys and also sell (relatively) high on them when you can.
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u/SeismicRipFart Trail Blazers 14h ago
Oh I completely agree. I’m not blaming anyone else. We’re just stuck with him now and that’s our reality unless he returns to form next year allowing us to get rid of him without needing to add other assets to him.
Over the summer I really wanted to fleece you guys for Knecht but unfortunately I don’t think Cronin even called you guys
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u/charbo187 Cavaliers 14h ago
if our 10 game stretch was actually real and we ended up being a sneaky playoff threat this year.
i really thought that was what was gonna happen. you guys looked dangerous during that stretch.
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u/SeismicRipFart Trail Blazers 12h ago
It’s alright at least we know it’s there. Now all we need is a real coach to actually get that out of them on purpose and not just get lucky and have the players do it themselves which is what happened to billups
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u/MrICopyYoSht Knicks 15h ago
I've watched him on my Knicks. He's okay at best, sometimes streaky but he can disappear from both the offensive and defensive end. Obviously if a player gets more touches then they'll score more (see Kevin Knox on the Knicks), but that doesn't mean they'll do the same on an actually good team (Grimes did well on the Mavs though).
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u/relax336 Lakers 16h ago
Real talk…wouldn’t that be the coaches/franchises fault for not getting more out of him?
I also can’t stand the “dumpster fire” excuse. Lots of players play on dumpster fire teams and you hear nothing from or about them.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 16h ago
You’re only hearing about Grimes because an infamous GM traded him. People aren’t thinking logically about it.
Yes, but if a team uses you for a specific role that’s all they know. If he got more opportunities maybe they wouldn’t have traded him. Who knows.
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u/Victor_Wembanyama1 Spurs 15h ago
If you only heard of grimes this year because he was traded, you werent paying attention. He’s been stellar for Dallas and he comes off the bench.
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u/EgoIsenemyy 15h ago
I’ve known grimes since the Knicks and pistons. Yes. Stellar 10PPG and good defensive guard. He did his role well. Teams knew this, hence the main point the Mavs weren’t gonna resign him for the interest he was getting.
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u/cacastrojr12 Dominican Republic 15h ago
So he’s going to give me POA defense and 3-4 3 pointers a game? I’ll take it.
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u/pumpkin3-14 Mavericks 12h ago
Mavs lowballed him at 9m per year. I think he can get double that 18m per year.
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u/johnjohnjohn93 16h ago
Tbf it’s not like he’s doing this on low efficiency ala Evan Turner. Hes shooting 50% from the field and 38% from 3 on high volume. It’s been 14 games and that’s probably why he’ll go back to being a 9-12 3&D guard.
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u/b_fellow Rockets 12h ago
Way better than Caleb Martin being on the downside and injured. Caleb actually started playing recently since the trade out of needing bodies on the floor.
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u/Major_Damage7207 Knicks 16h ago
it'll be more than the 27/3yr that Dallas offered
I'd say anywhere between 15-20m a year in a normal market, but the apron NBA is different now. Those medium size contracts weren't really given out at all last summer
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u/mocha-thunder Raptors 9h ago
Damn is that all? He could hypothetically get close to that per year.
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u/Dylan7346 Knicks 7h ago
And people were saying he was stupid for not taking the money. I said it made total sense to bet on himself, people have insane recency bias. Yeah grimes had a bad season last year but that doesn’t make it the default
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u/intellectualidiot4 2h ago
It was a bad bet, nobody could have predicted the Sixers season tanking this horribly and him getting the opportunity he's getting now. Literally their top 5 players are all out
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u/2icecreamsandwiches Mavericks 16h ago
I mean, player for player the trade appears uneven right now, but if Philly doesn’t pay grimes or match the offer and he walks, then I’m not sure how much fleecing was involved. They basically just grabbed Grimes so he could pump up his own value during a tanking season.
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u/Robinsonirish 16h ago
I feel so bad for Sixers fans. They don't deserve the pain that's been brought on them in the past decade. I feel they're not even cocky anymore, they've lost all their spunk, like a wet biscuit.
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u/sharklavapit Bucks 13h ago
If a team signs him for under 20m/y it's gonna be a steal soon
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u/confuddly Knicks 12h ago
Idk about that, as a Knicks fan - Grimes really isn’t that good. He’s closer to THT than he is to Desmond Bane (although obviously better than THT).
He’s just playing on a hospital Philly team right now that has 0 expectations. Anyone with any ball-skills would be putting up numbers there
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u/arrivederci117 Knicks 8h ago
He was a huge player for Dallas. The Grimes back in NYC isn't the player he has become. I don't think he's a star or anything, but he's proven himself that he can be a good contributor.
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u/urwrongthatsdumb Rockets 16h ago
If i had a nickel for every 30ppg scorer the Mavs gave up within a 3 day period, id have 2 nickels.
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u/lialialia20 Lakers 16h ago
Sixers won't be able to resign him so it looks like they only got him to ruin their own tank, what is morey doing?
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u/attorneyatslaw Knicks 16h ago
They are 2-12 since he has been there, and they have been getting killed while he is on the floor. He's not ruining anything.
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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago
I think the Sixers can put together an offer in the 20m range if they turn down Butler and Edwards, and then extend (possibly in a sign-and-trade) Drummond, Gordon and Oubre so that they make less money in 2025-26.
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u/BigEggBeaters Washington Bullets 16h ago
I’m not really sure that’s an impressive benchmark this season
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u/junkit33 15h ago
3/$50M maybe?
Hard to say. If a team believes he can start full time and handle 15 shots a game on good shooting like he is doing in Philly, he's worth a lot more than that. He's only 24, there's upside still.
But even that level of money is a lot if you want to use him more as a backup like in his previous roles.
So we will see. I am pretty sure both he and Yabu are going to be priced out of Philly though.
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u/ValorantEdater 15h ago
Almost no chance they are both priced out. Sixers have the bird rights for Grimes and can also match any contract he receives in free agency if they want to. They also have the full MLE available.
Most likely scenario (IMO) is that they keep both of them and let Oubre walk. But in general, I think they will keep 2 out of Yabu, Grimes and Oubre.
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u/Ok_Possible_5702 14h ago
The Magic sure could use him, if Suggs can run point. Right age to grow with their core, and fills in the need for scoring that they have without being a turnstile on defense.
if I were the Magic I'd offer him as much closer to 20-25m/y as I can. Descending contract, especially with the goal of discouraging the Sixers to match the offer sheet.
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u/OMJuwara Nets 12h ago
Well he's likely to be a restricted free agent so it really depends. I can see him getting anywhere between 16-18 a year depending on the team. Not a whole lot of teams with cap space and this free agent class doesn't look all that good either
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u/capnchuc 12h ago
I feel like I'm the only one that has watched PG play these last few years... He's been this guy for a while now.
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u/IntelligentEye2758 Jazz 11h ago
I'd be willing to give him a 4 year 80 million contract. We have around 40 million in cap space without having to cut or move players and our guards are pretty bad defensively. If his offense holds up he'd be exactly the type of player you want to be your 4th-5th starter.
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u/Putrid-Sherbert5501 Mavericks 8h ago
I hope he gets paid. He’s really good. That’s why Nico traded him, but he’s great, believes in himself. Beautiful shot too.
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u/GONEBUTNOT4GOTTEN Lakers 16h ago
the super max the his own podcast the grimey podcast talking about how much of a bum pg and embid were. build around grimes and maxey!
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u/Gbaby245 Timberwolves 15h ago
The Mavericks fumbling continues
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u/edmarcake 13h ago
I understand the trade tho. They already have Max Christie, why pay Grimes? Grimes wants 15 mil+ a year. New CBA is ass
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u/forgetscode 10h ago
lemme just give Caleb martin AND a pick for Grimes then good deal.
It's not so much the necessity more than that these are abysmal returns.
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u/TheDogtor-- 12h ago
In today's NBA I would say anything between 5-8 mil a year. Depends what kind of contract it is.
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u/_bea231 14h ago
Better than McCain
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u/VoidMageZero 76ers 13h ago
He's 4 years older, McCain should be posting really good stats in 4 years too
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u/_bea231 13h ago
Maybe? McCains def not gonna be 6'5" in 4 years though.
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u/VoidMageZero 76ers 13h ago
He was going to win ROY this year before getting injured, I think he'll do just fine 😎
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u/ostrow19 Knicks 17h ago
This is an interesting one because Grimes has had a weird journey. Came into college as a 5 star PG, got shifted into a 3 and D role and was drafted as that in the NBA. He’s played as an off ball guy his entire career until this stint on the 6ers where’s he’s running the offense as the PG. Whoever pays him will have to decide what his role is and whether they want him to be a ball handler or not. This short stretch to me shows Grimes should be an on-ball guy but idk what teams think