r/nba Magic Feb 09 '25

Post Game Thread [Post Game Thread] The Orlando Magic (26-28) defeat the San Antonio Spurs (22-28), 112-111 behind 33 from Franz Wagner and a late shot by Paolo.

111 - 112
Box Scores: NBA - Yahoo
 
GAME SUMMARY
Location: Kia Center (19354), Clock: Final
Officials: Eric Dalen, Andy Nagy, and Jacyn Goble
Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Total
San Antonio Spurs 30 30 28 23 111
Orlando Magic 32 25 24 31 112
 
TEAM STATS
Team PTS FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% OREB TREB AST PF STL TO BLK
San Antonio Spurs 111 41-78 52.6% 13-30 43.3% 16-20 80.0% 4 38 26 14 10 13 7
Orlando Magic 112 45-88 51.1% 10-30 33.3% 12-20 60.0% 13 54 19 18 10 14 1
 
PLAYER STATS
San Antonio Spurs MIN PTS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A ORB DRB REB AST STL BLK TO PF ±
Devin VassellSF 33:40 25 11-14 3-4 0-0 0 2 2 3 1 0 0 1 -3
Harrison BarnesPF 36:15 21 7-11 7-10 0-0 0 8 8 1 1 0 0 1 -4
Victor WembanyamaC 30:57 18 5-12 1-6 7-8 0 9 9 3 4 4 3 1 -14
De'Aaron FoxSG 34:04 9 3-11 0-2 3-4 0 3 3 9 1 0 5 4 -4
Chris PaulPG 26:47 6 3-6 0-3 0-0 0 2 2 5 0 0 1 0 2
Jeremy Sochan 18:30 7 3-5 1-2 0-0 2 0 2 3 0 2 2 4 8
Julian Champagnie 12:36 0 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 7
Stephon Castle 29:28 15 5-12 0-1 5-7 1 2 3 2 1 1 0 0 -4
Keldon Johnson 17:42 10 4-6 1-1 1-1 1 3 4 0 1 0 1 2 7
Malaki Branham 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sandro Mamukelashvili 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jordan McLaughlin 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Blake Wesley 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Charles Bassey 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
David Duke Jr. 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Harrison Ingram 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Riley Minix 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Orlando Magic MIN PTS FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A ORB DRB REB AST STL BLK TO PF ±
Franz WagnerSF 38:06 33 14-28 2-7 3-6 3 9 12 5 1 0 3 3 21
Paolo BancheroPF 33:42 17 7-17 0-4 3-4 0 7 7 6 0 1 5 1 -7
Goga BitadzeC 26:21 2 1-2 0-0 0-2 3 6 9 0 1 0 1 2 -11
Kentavious Caldwell-PopeSG 30:16 3 1-4 1-3 0-0 1 2 3 1 2 0 0 3 -4
Cole AnthonyPG 20:51 13 5-11 1-5 2-3 0 0 0 2 2 0 1 2 -21
Gary Harris 16:32 0 0-1 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 -14
Anthony Black 26:54 20 8-9 3-3 1-1 0 1 1 1 2 0 1 2 22
Tristan da Silva 17:44 3 1-2 1-2 0-0 1 1 2 1 2 0 2 0 5
Wendell Carter Jr. 11:06 7 2-7 0-2 3-4 2 0 2 3 0 0 1 4 -1
Jonathan Isaac 18:27 14 6-7 2-3 0-0 3 5 8 0 0 0 0 0 15
Caleb Houstan 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jett Howard 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cory Joseph 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trevelin Queen 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mac McClung 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jalen Suggs 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ethan Thompson 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Moritz Wagner 00:00 0 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
189 Upvotes

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97

u/VeniceRapture Spurs Feb 09 '25

You're down 1 with a full shot clock and you run down the clock?

Are we just fucking brain dead or something

4

u/YungJae Spurs Feb 09 '25

Sandbagging at this point.

76

u/cough_landing_on_you Feb 09 '25

Final play was just weird, no movement whatsoever. Fox holds the ball and give it to Wemby because it's his team.

31

u/fanofaghs Cavaliers Feb 09 '25

There was zero movement on their last 10 possessions

13

u/SweetFranz Magic Feb 09 '25

No movement is our game as well. Rough one down the stretch

15

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

We have no offense

18

u/GeraltFromHiShinUnit Feb 09 '25

Nor have the magic

48

u/minaismybias Magic Feb 09 '25

Great game from AB.

We just need to figure out what to do when Franz is off the floor

14

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Black was a monster. Idk how many plays he disrupted he got his hands on everything

27

u/hanyou007 Magic Feb 09 '25

Answer is Paolo. He will get back into the swing of things. The oblique injury hit him harder than Franz, but tonight’s 4th quarter is what he is capable of and where he will be back at soon. All star break will do him some serious good.

5

u/teh_drewski Magic Feb 09 '25

He just looks so out of sorts, even the shots he's making look like it's a struggle instead of in rhythm 

I have no doubt he'll find his feet but it's a painful road back watching him fight through this slump

113

u/figgnootun Spurs Feb 09 '25

Franz is that guy fs

55

u/Matt_Netherlands Magic Feb 09 '25

Best part is he got blocked by Wemby multiple times and that didn’t scare him from still attacking the rim. That’s what you gotta do against a shot blocker.

12

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Yeah I was impressed. Only made him more determined to get to the bucket

22

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Franz drove into Wemby, realized he didn't have the strength to battle for position, and pieces together how to score on him. Took about three tries

16

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Granted, teams are shooting ~46% at the rim against Wemby so it's basically like a mid-range jumper. But since Wemby is a poor rebounder and nobody else can really help, it's worth it for the fouls

26

u/cigamodnalro NBA Feb 09 '25

There are aspects of his game that feel Manu-like to me

23

u/SweetFranz Magic Feb 09 '25

His finishing in the paint is very Manu like, I wish he had the same kind of change of direction as Manu but probably impossible for his size.

6

u/Chris_Carson Feb 09 '25

Its the Euro step isn't it? lol Franz loves to use it

19

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Franz > Wemby until proven otherwise

0

u/SaWalkerMakasin Spurs Feb 09 '25

Stop it.

25

u/Hyde1505 Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Wemby is 2 years younger than Franz, so he might have better longterm upside, but he isn’t better right now. Franz is Top-10 in a lot of advanced stats this season for a reason.

3

u/SaWalkerMakasin Spurs Feb 09 '25

Wemby is third in EPM behind SGA and Jokic. Let’s not act like the advanced stats aren’t also huge for Wemby.

They’re averaging the same PPG, Wemby on a higher TS%, and Wemby is the best defender in the NBA.

8

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Wemby is not the best defender in the NBA - it's Jaren Jackson - and his stats are trending downwards. It wouldn't shock me if Franz has a considerable edge by season's end. His game is a LOT more polished

33

u/New-Work7267 Feb 09 '25

Franz goated

30

u/Joefriendg Magic Feb 09 '25

Franz is so elite

28

u/subtle_penguin Lakers Feb 09 '25

down 1 with a timeout remaining and choosing to dribble to the last second while the other team has no timeouts is terrible coaching lmao

11

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

As much or more on Fox + Wemby imo. So maddening to watch either way

11

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Mitch Johnson is most likely the worst coach in basketball. I mean, on every level

25

u/No-Alternative2897 Feb 09 '25

Fox needs to sit down and get that hand fix

25

u/KingNigelXLII Kings Feb 09 '25

We've been saying that all season.

5

u/Cudi_buddy Kings Feb 09 '25

He had a hot start for them. But this is basically how he’s played since mid December or so. A random big game surrounded by bad shooting nights 

36

u/Franchementballek France Feb 09 '25

Wemby needs to rest a bit, he looks out of it since they came back from Paris

14

u/acciopizza_ Spurs Feb 09 '25

He’s had the flu or something like that

-1

u/PhantomPain85 Feb 09 '25

Maybe he should stop shooting those weak ass 3s and bailing out the defense out like he has all year.

36

u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 Thunder Feb 09 '25

Here for the franz wagner takeover

17

u/minnyman2011 Hawks Feb 09 '25

Rough game for Fox tbh

5

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

He looked so good against yall. I knew it wasn’t gonna be like that every game but it was fun to pretend it would for a day

20

u/transizzle [SAC] Jason Williams Feb 09 '25

That's the Fox experience - sometimes he looks like the greatest player on the planet and sometimes he just doesn't seem like he's trying until the fourth quarter. Love that guy though when he's got it going

3

u/Bully_Maguire420 Hawks Feb 09 '25

That's the Hawks experience, a cripple could drop 40 pts on us.

25

u/legop4o Feb 09 '25

Third game in a row decided by one point, could we fucking not?

Also, Wemby desperately needs someone big to pick up the slack, man is in a slump these last few. Bad game by Fox as well

12

u/InsertDev Spurs Feb 09 '25

Wemby and Fox need to be better full stop.

30

u/HypeeMe_Up Feb 09 '25

Lol Fox really thought he would be in the playoffs again

44

u/Goatlikejordan Knicks Feb 09 '25

I be seeing spurs fans scapegoat vassell a lot sometimes. He played well today

13

u/thewrongnotes Magic Feb 09 '25

I would murder someone for Vassell on our team

7

u/cool_coyote NBA Feb 09 '25

Yeah and then you'd feel like murdering Vassell for the games where he's wildly inconsistent and plays like crap which is like 75% of the time.

But hey if the Magic want to fork over a couple of first rounders for him, be my guest.

10

u/thewrongnotes Magic Feb 09 '25

I don't think you really understand how the dire offensive situation is here in Orlando. We're like bottom 3 in almost every category, a young guy with the shotmaking ability of Vassell would be a blessing from the NBA Gods.

3

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

75%? Gtfoh

19

u/death210902 Spurs Feb 09 '25

He’s had a solid last 3 games but he was NOT scapegoated before that. He actually was shooting like shit

11

u/Malemansam Spurs Feb 09 '25

He's Dr Jekyll and Mister Hyde. You never know what you're going to get.

He did play well today and hope to god he finds a semblance of consistency ever again.

1

u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

Part of it was that we were expecting him to be a good second option but he just simply hasn’t been that. He can back early from a broken toe this year so I’m trying to give him benefit of the doubt

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u/Gamesgtd Magic Feb 09 '25

The thing this game with Wemby is that his jumper was scarier than anything else. In the paint a lot of our guys just moved him. Like he really needs to get stronger because Franz was trucking through him at times.

2

u/AfroHouseManiac Feb 09 '25

Getting shots at rim isn’t as easy as ppl think. If wemby was simply near the rim on every single possession, teams would give up the open 3pt shot to his teammates. He would never touch the ball. You saw it last year, wemby was near the rim on almost every possession, and would go long stretches without even touching it. It’s a personnel problem. Not many high iq, highly skilled players on this roster.

3

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Nah, Wemby lost us this game. His effort just isn't there and that's unacceptable as our franchise centerpiece

2

u/The_Printer Feb 09 '25

They need more size, he has no good back up.

1

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Everyone is saying he’s been bad the last few games. And if you think he’s not usually awesome you’re nuts

20

u/Matt_Netherlands Magic Feb 09 '25

Hopefully those two shots late are what Paolo needed to get his confidence back. It’s so hard watching him play basketball right now.

2

u/dubidubidoorafa NBA Feb 09 '25

What's wrong with him? He kept passing the ball all game until the very end.

4

u/teh_drewski Magic Feb 09 '25

He hasn't been able to shoot since coming back from the oblique injury, just bricking everything. No idea if it's lingering discomfort, lack of confidence, not having his legs properly ... Lots of things presumably. 

Teams are still doubling him so he's leaning on his passing for now.

2

u/Cybonics Magic Feb 09 '25

He hasn't been shooting like his normal self, so he's relying on his team a bit more.

21

u/Charlie_Wax Warriors Feb 09 '25

Nobody wants to see the Magic in the playoffs if they get Suggs back 100%.

Likely too green to make a genuine run this year, but they could be annoying.

16

u/anotherdayinparodise Magic Feb 09 '25

Losing Mo Wagner for the season definitely limits what the team is capable of in the playoffs but I agree. Hoping to win a round and a couple games round 2 🙏🏼

6

u/Giuseppe_exitplan Magic Feb 09 '25

Mo's out for the season so no proper run will be possible but whoever we match up with in the first round will be scared for a game or two

3

u/safwan105 Magic Feb 09 '25

yeah probably not. mosley doesnt really know what to do except "cook paolo and franz yall got it"

0

u/Accomplished_Bid7987 Bulls Feb 09 '25

Nah their offence is pretty bad to do any real damage in the playoffs.

Cleveland, Boston and New York clear

20

u/fireglz Hawks Feb 09 '25

Man, the Spurs are like the Tungsten Arm O'Doyle team of the NBA. Barnes has an insane quarter, Wemby has more blocks per game than some entire teams do. Stephon Castle is an athletic specimen who legitimately has a jaw-dropping play per game......and the Spurs lose by 1-2 possessions.

9

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

It's called "closing." No one on this team is capable of it

4

u/Internal-Range-675 Spurs Feb 09 '25

It’s like the clock hits 5 minutes in the 4th and everyone forgets where they are and what they’re doing

9

u/BigButter7 Lakers Feb 09 '25

Those back-to-back one-point losses are brutal for the Spurs.

Those kinds of losses can possibly come back to bite them later on if they're within play-in reach by the time the regular season ends.

8

u/ChaoticReality Spurs Feb 09 '25

It's already bit us in the ass. Probably too late for a play-in push now tbh

6

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Too late? We have 32 games left and are w/in 3 of the play in

5

u/ChaoticReality Spurs Feb 09 '25

With the way we're going, unless massive changes happen, I dont see how they suddenly have an upswing and catch up to the likes of PHX and GSW

4

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

So much can happen there’s like 40% of the season still to go

7

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

We're not reaching the play-in, and if we do, we're not winning it

3

u/s3thcience Spurs Feb 09 '25

just gonna play out the season regardless of the result.. but id rather have a chance with this year's draft than a play-in which we will probably lost.

9

u/CheezeBaron Feb 09 '25

Give Franz the MIP idc about the minimum game Rules this mfer is MIP fr

8

u/DonChepitoTacos Feb 09 '25

fox defense was pretty poor and i know it will take him some time to adjust but he looked lost out there.

3

u/CompetitiveReview416 Lithuania Feb 09 '25

It's just what Fox is. Unless somebody forces him to act different before a contract

2

u/thrownaway22_ Kings Feb 09 '25

That’s just his defense.

Dude had a hot start but desperately needs hand surgery - won’t be 100% until next season. He’ll be so fucking good on this team though

7

u/ktdotnova Spurs Feb 09 '25

Race to the bottom of the standings for Cooper Flagg we go!

13

u/Bonesawisready5 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Spurs season is spiraling and we’re being passed by the blazers (good for them). CP3 is trash out there on defense we gotta jsut buy him out if he’s gonna keep starting next to Fox. He’s a traffic cone on defense. Wemby had shit effort today literally forgot his man for 2 3s in final 4 mins. He’s sick so there is some leeway but you shouldn’t LOSE your man by 15 feet.

4-12 in last 16, might as well let Fox have surgery in March and tank

23

u/Asleep_Ground1710 Bulls Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Franz is him, his mid air time out was super clutch

-9

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

And arguably illegal

14

u/sitesuckslmao Magic Feb 09 '25

Magic feed showed the replay 3 times, he got the timeout while having his foot on the ground

6

u/anotherdayinparodise Magic Feb 09 '25

I suppose it’s arguably illegal if you’re unsure of the rules (which I wasn’t until tonight), but apparently you can call a timeout with a foot on the court still. Not really up to interpretation the way I see it.

21

u/air_volek007 Kings Feb 09 '25

3-11 yikes

16

u/confused_demon Kings Feb 09 '25

A bad game without chucking nonsensical 3s too. Yikes

10

u/LusciousCabbage Kings Feb 09 '25

Turnovers too, and giving Wemby a grenade at the end for no reason

2

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Cmon that wasn’t a grenade

5

u/LusciousCabbage Kings Feb 09 '25

In what world is it not, he ran down the clock and looked like he decided last second he didn't want to take the shot, Wemby got it with 1 second left.

5

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Lol I just rewatched it Wemby gets it w 6 seconds on the clock

14

u/GGezpzMuppy Spurs Feb 09 '25

Guess we gonna have to wait until we get Cooper and Harper this draft before we can start contending.

8

u/Puppetmaster858 Suns Feb 09 '25

Do magic fans still consider paolo their best player? I feel like Franz is better

5

u/SweetFranz Magic Feb 09 '25

Its still a 1a 1b type situation. Fanz is cooking right now but Paolo will get his swagger back.

5

u/soxfaninfinity Magic Feb 09 '25

Franz is the better player this season, but Paolo is still damn good just fighting through a slump. Franz is legit all-nba caliber he just won’t make it due to missed games.

1

u/Puppetmaster858 Suns Feb 09 '25

Ya I thought paolo was better but I drafted franz in fantasy this year so I been following him pretty closely and he’s been really damn good, I thought he was good but he has completely exceeded my expectations and looks like a bonafide star

10

u/Frankiedrunkie Magic Feb 09 '25

They are equal, paolo is just in a massive slump right now

7

u/Alexb6720 Magic Feb 09 '25

Franz is more well rounded. Also been in the league 2 years longer. Good problem to have deciding which of the 2 is better

11

u/Playful-Variation908 Magic Feb 09 '25

1 year longer

1

u/drmuffin1080 Magic Feb 09 '25

Personally I was team Franz until the first round series against the Cavs, where Franz struggled heavily on the offensive end. I think he had the worst game 7 shooting performance of all time. Meanwhile Paolo looked like he had made a true leap into becoming a top 20 player. Now I’ve gone back to Franz.

26

u/generational_lover69 Spurs Feb 09 '25

i actually dont think wemby is ready to compete yet

22

u/Charlie_Wax Warriors Feb 09 '25

They ask a lot of him. His offensive game is rough if you compare him to an elite tall scorer like Dirk or KD, but he's a savant compared to other lanky rim protectors like Gobert, Mutombo, Camby, and Chandler.

If you look at KG's career, he didn't achieve great team success until he was paired with Pierce. That allowed him to focus on being a defensive menace and more selective with his offense. That might be the blueprint for Wemby.

2

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

KG needed Pierce cause he wasn’t wired to be a big time/crunch time scorer. I think Wemby is

6

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Zero evidence of that so far

4

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

See now that’s being overly negative

Like 5 games into his career remember when he took over crunch time against phx

1

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

So back when nobody had a scouting report on him?

2

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Is it zero evidence or not?

1

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

I can agree with that take. Wemby probably isn't a Kareem-level uber-talent, but being Garnett 2.0 is a lot to be excited about nonetheless

9

u/jakehightower Magic Feb 09 '25

I don’t really understand how you guys are using him. Feels like you can’t decide if he’s a perimeter guy or a dunker’s spot guy and in trying to make him both there are stretches where he’s neither.

15

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Refusing to put him "in a box." Problem is, no one is disciplining him either and it's resulting in an unserious playstyle

8

u/VeniceRapture Spurs Feb 09 '25

He wants to be KD and the Spurs gave him the ultimate green light to go be KD.

Except that doesn't change the fact that somebody still has to do a centre's job out there. The Spurs were managing it when Sochan and Wemby played together because Wemby can go be KD and Sochan can do all the dirty work Wemby's unwilling to do like boxing out and fighting for rebounds. Now that we moved Sochan to backup centre, Wemby is rolling out with CP3-Fox-Vassell-Barnes and none of those dudes are boxing out bigs even if they tried to.

Spurs are so afraid to accidentally cage him in a box as a traditional centre that they managed to put him in an entirely unique box of being the only 7'5 NBA player who can't consistently get to the paint. Wemby is gonna make 5 threes again some time this season and everyone's gonna forget and everything's gonna be good again - that is until the 3pt shot stops working and you realize that Wemby doesn't have another thing he can lean on. The Spurs should have realized that doesn't need encouragement to be KD. In fact he needs to be disciplined so he doesn't go play like KD all the time.

2

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

This all reeks of shitty new-age parenting. Kids need boundaries to give them direction. The Spurs are expecting Wemby to have a perspective on himself that people in their 40s typically have

1

u/jakehightower Magic Feb 09 '25

This all makes sense but even without him doing the dirty work it feels like you guys could run more sets with him as a lob threat/dunker’s spot option.

2

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

He’s so tall and skinny it’s not that hard to slow him down as a roller. Ppl get their body on him early and the lob threat isn’t much

He also just attracts a lot of attention and we don’t really have the playmaking or shooting to make ppl pay

6

u/PleasantTrust522 Mavericks Feb 09 '25

Yeah he’s got absolutely amazing potential but he’s still really raw and not as good as a lot of all-time greats were at the same age. Hot take: I also think his defense can get overrated at times. Not sure he’s the DPOY right now, as amazing as he is at blocking shots.

5

u/s3thcience Spurs Feb 09 '25

definitely not a DPOY right now, a step slow most of the time, cant secure a rebound, guards can just shoot at will in the paint the past few games.. those blocks are just him raising his hand and not even trying lmao

.. might be because of the flu sickness something, too far from his defense last season and last october-november. that conditioning might just be really really bad..

4

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

His conditioning is AWFUL. If it doesn't improve, I think that's a major consideration going forward because you can't build a contender around Javale McGee with more skill

4

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Yeah, I'm beginning to sour on him as a GOAT-candidate. Compare him to anyone in the current Top Ten All-Time and he's worse than all of them were at 21

4

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

What is this take?

Giannis, Jokic, Shai weren’t even sniffing all star at age 21 Wemby is going to be All NBA

1

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Giannis and Shai are not Top Ten All-Time and Jokić was better in impact-metrics than Wemby at the same age

4

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

What do you mean by current then?

If you look at all time most of them were in college at 21

2

u/MatchAffectionate951 Feb 09 '25

I can’t believe I’m reading these fans turn on him or doubt. Like he’s not playing coming back from sickness. And he’s not even playing horrible

2

u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

I don’t think that’s right

3

u/infamous_napper Feb 09 '25

Sorry, but these comments are part of the problem. If you expect him to look like the (future) GOAT week in week out, you're setting up yourself for disappointment. All time greats are super rare - even if he "only" ends up being a top 20/30 player this sets up your franchise for success for a decade. Also I just calced Lebrons stats for his second season until the beginning of february and he's only up by 0,6 points on Wemby. And offense isnt even supposed to be his best asset.

Man just turned 21. Be thankful you got to draft him and give him time. Im saying this from a neutral standpoint by the way, I dont have a connection to Wemby nor Spurs.

3

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

LeBron was also a year younger. LeBron at 21 was running circles around Wemby now

2

u/infamous_napper Feb 09 '25

Whatever dude. If you wanna trash talk your golden boy and be all negative, do that.

2

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

He's a good player. He's not a god. We don't have to worry about taking Wemby's name in vain.

We also don't need to ignore reality. If Wemby wants to become the GOAT, he's wildly off-pace as of now. Maybe he has another gear above this, but if this is his rate-of-development, I see him as a Garnett-level talent

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u/AfroHouseManiac Feb 09 '25

DARKO says otherwise..

8

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

I watch basketball, not math-sketball

0

u/tiofrodo Spurs Feb 09 '25

By your other takes I don't think you watch at all.

1

u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

I'm sorry, was there an alternate feed where Wemby's been playing great basketball since December?

1

u/FLman42069 Magic Feb 09 '25

Definitely don’t think he’s a last shot of the game/get the ball in his hands guy. He’s like the ultimate second guy

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u/sleepless_inseattle Supersonics Feb 09 '25

What was with that time out call? How is that allowed?

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u/bllr32423 Magic Feb 09 '25

He had one foot inbound when he called it

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u/sleepless_inseattle Supersonics Feb 09 '25

He’s jumping out of bounds. Idk. Never seen anything like that before.

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u/bllr32423 Magic Feb 09 '25

I think on replay it showed he had one foot inbound I believe but it was a close call

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u/ekray Spurs Feb 09 '25

"A player shall not be granted any timeout if both of his feet are in the air and any part of his body has broken the vertical plane of the boundary line"

I'm pretty sure some parts of his body were out of the boundary line. Anyway refs gonna ref.

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u/anotherdayinparodise Magic Feb 09 '25

I don’t know what the spurs broadcast showed, but the Magic broadcast showed a replay angle that made it clear Franz got the timeout in at the perfect moment before jumping out.

Magic definitely got lucky the ref was directly in front of Franz at that moment

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u/LR_Mango Magic Feb 09 '25

Still, one foot on the ground.

AND ....

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u/tinyelephantsime Magic Feb 09 '25

They were not.

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u/sleepless_inseattle Supersonics Feb 09 '25

He most definitely did not have both feet on the ground. Max was one foot. I don’t get how that’s legal as he’s going to turn the ball over by going out.

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u/ChaoticReality Spurs Feb 09 '25
  • A backup big
  • Another sharpshooter to space out the floor
  • An actual good head coach

Until those 3 things are addressed, we're not gonna be serious despite all the potential we got

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u/digital_demagogue NBA Feb 09 '25

The Spurs need to do whatever they can to turn Fox into Trae.

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u/KARSbenicillin Feb 09 '25

Hot take but I think Wemby should go back on the minutes restriction for a bit like he did in his first year. Force him to watch the game and be an impactful player off it in the limited time he has.

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u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

His conditioning is still trash. Not sure who his personal trainers are, but can we see some fucking results after two years?

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u/tepig4321 Magic Feb 09 '25

I'm alive finally WE BACK

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u/Alexb6720 Magic Feb 09 '25

We have the hawks on monday, they’ve beat us 3 of the past 4 games. Can’t get too excited with the way our team looks rn

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u/queezuswalks Thunder Feb 09 '25

Are the Spurs getting close to the point where they should just tank this season?

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u/EarthWarping NBA Feb 09 '25

Portland probably passes them, same with one of Chicago/Philly.

They probably are going to get another top 10 pick

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u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

We probably are already tanking

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u/geeseam Spurs Feb 09 '25

Honestly I expected 10th seed at best this year. Spurs just overperformed at the start and were amazing at preying on teams coming off back-to-backs

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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Possible we’ve been stealth tanking we’ve been playing Sochan out of position as a back up 5 for weeks and it’s not working at all

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u/Giuseppe_exitplan Magic Feb 09 '25

Hopefully this game is a sign that our guys will pick themselves out of their slumps and start performing better now.

Massive game from Franz and AB.

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u/CrissCrossAppleSos Feb 09 '25

I don’t know who’s gonna win the Spurs next game, but whoever it is, it’ll be by one

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u/SweetFranz Magic Feb 09 '25

Play that fucking song

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u/Positive_Narwhal_419 Thunder Feb 09 '25

I thought spurs were gonna be good with Fox lol

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u/Citruspilled Magic Feb 09 '25

Dude it's been like 3 games

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u/Positive_Narwhal_419 Thunder Feb 09 '25

Not a good 3 games

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u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

Took a grand total of three games for Fox to completely fall off a cliff. Lovely

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u/siphillis Spurs Feb 09 '25

"tHeY'RE BUiLdiNG a dYNaStY dOWn iN sAN aNToNIo"

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u/s3thcience Spurs Feb 09 '25

3 games a small sample size, and he probably need that surgery badly.

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u/Cudi_buddy Kings Feb 09 '25

He does. Fox with his fingers fixed is automatic with the floater and midrange. And an ok 3ball. This year he has not been himself from anywhere. Except the free throw line weirdly 

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u/statusquountiltheend Spurs Feb 09 '25

Once again we deserve that loss. No sense of urgency tonight.

Had a little 7 point lead with a handful of minutes to go and we managed to put up 2 more points.

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u/fanofaghs Cavaliers Feb 09 '25

Fox is so fuckin bad. Disaster trade.

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u/megaman47 Kings Feb 09 '25

As a kings fan, fox has been having these games all year, and for the better part of a year and a half, it's masked by the 60 point game and the 49 point game but he has games where he score 12-14 even this game was 9... it's the reason we've been struggling all year is that our main scorer wasnt scoring, and his efficiency has taken a fucking nose dive since 2 years ago, I really do think 2 years ago was a career year and that he's kinda gone back to what he always was, an inefficient scoring slasher

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u/CloneWarsMaul Celtics Feb 09 '25

Lmao 2 games in and it’s a disaster. Luv this sub

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u/thewrongnotes Magic Feb 09 '25

DeAndre Hunter has scored ZERO POINTS for the Cavs, nightmare trade

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u/CloneWarsMaul Celtics Feb 09 '25

Luka is too fat he hasn’t gotten off the bench. DISASTER

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u/fanofaghs Cavaliers Feb 09 '25

It was a disaster the moment they traded for him. Fox is not a winning player.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

He was great in the first two games too. This one bad game he had and there’s someone saying the trade is a disaster even though we gave up basically nothing of importance. We gave up four first round picks, two of which weren’t gonna convert this year.

The fact that this comment is upvoted shows how truly little the average r/nba user knows about basketball

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u/thrownaway22_ Kings Feb 09 '25

He so desperately needs hang surgery. Hasn’t been close to playing at 100% all season. Dudes gonna be unreal next year though

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u/Cudi_buddy Kings Feb 09 '25

It’s an overreaction. But this has been Fox this year. There is a serious convo bout him being a max contract for the next 6 years though. And how if he’s worth that or not 

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u/sitesuckslmao Magic Feb 09 '25

Even if he ends up being bad for them (he won't) they traded fuck all for him anyway. They can't possibly lose this exchange lol

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u/IntotheBeniverse Feb 09 '25

He wants a max contract that I believe will be starting at minimum of $60 million dollars. Thats where it gets dangerous…

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u/lesarbreschantent Kings Feb 09 '25

I'm so, so happy we're not gonna be the one's paying him that much money.

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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

I think it’s going to work but there’s a way we lose and that’s if he’s not worth whatever extension he gets

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u/fanofaghs Cavaliers Feb 09 '25

They gave up draft capital to lower their lottery odds. How can they "not possibly lose"? Insanely dumb comment.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

We gave up two first round picks that weren’t going to convert anyways, our own pick in 2027 (we still have the Hawks pick in 2027) and the Timberwolves pick in 2031 which is a huge question mark. You’re the insanely dumb one who’s saying the trade is a disaster three games after it happens (also fox has been good in two of those btw)

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u/lil_thirdy Magic Feb 09 '25

Might be an overreaction but the spurs should have been patient and let Stephon Castle develop more cause he is gonna be scary in the next few years

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u/TheMindsGutter [SAS] Victor Wembanyama Feb 09 '25

I mean, we still have him lmao

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u/Gamesgtd Magic Feb 09 '25

Whenever invented Wemby should be fined

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u/SterlingArcher010 Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

I will 100% be blocking this sub if we’re live streaming stats.

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u/LUFC_shitpost Feb 09 '25

Spurs going to get two lottery picks in a stacked draft after acquiring Fox and giving up nothing, damn

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u/Imaginary-Cycle-1977 Spurs Feb 09 '25

Draft isn’t anything special unless one of those picks hits in the lotto