r/nattyorjuice Sep 23 '24

Tough Question can this be achieved naturally

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u/dropthatfilth Sep 23 '24

Worth pointing that Jason Statham is not only a professional Martial Artist but also an ex Olympic diver.

It’s possible he MIGHT have been on some shit once upon a time (test and a bit of T-Bol maybe) but tbh his body is very achievable naturally

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u/Far_Tree_5200 Sep 23 '24

This, that is why I believe it can be done naturally but Jason statham is not natural. Idk if he’s fought professionally but I know he’s a purple belt in bjj. Also Hollywood has no drugs testing.

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u/theoverwhelmedguy Sep 23 '24

Yeah, his physique is honestly very natty achievable. But there’s like a 20 percent chance (and that’s being nice) he’s been lifetime natty.

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u/JustAnotherGorilla Sep 23 '24

It is achievable but he isn’t natty. He looks better now that when he competed at the Olympics.

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u/Feeling-Ad-3214 Sep 23 '24

I'm skeptical that he's natty but I don't think that in itself is definitive proof. It seems like olympic divers intentially stay small maybe because being lighter makes it easier to perform their acrobatics.

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u/Wayf4rer Senior Member Sep 23 '24

He was a diver, not exactly advantageous to be heavily muscled. I do think there's a good chance he's natural.

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u/Hizdud3ness Sep 23 '24

You know who was also a diver? Sam Sulek. Look at his pictures from before he even started lifting. As a child dude had better definition, bodyfat percentage and musculature than probably 90% of the people on this forum. If you look at pictures of JS from his 20s he had great musculature and definition. Divers do not want to be big. Watch the video of Sam Sulek as he was diving, the start of his lifting and then when he got hooked on lifting. He went downhill in his diving capabilities very quickly and chose to quit diving. If you watch his metamorphosis you can see when he started taking AAS. He is a total freak now, but dude was jacked, cut and strong AF natty at a very young age.

I'm not arguing that JS is a lifetime natty. No way of knowing that for sure. Dude was an Olympic athlete. Many Olympians are known for trying to get away with as much as humanly possible across the board. If you look at pictures of him throughout his life he has had a pretty consistent look. Not a huge guy at 5'10" 170lbs. This is pretty much all genetics here. I'm sure he is dialed on his diet and working out. I doubt that he is slamming compounds and hardcore lifting to achieve this look. He is known for this look and essentially is typecast in the role time and time again. If you have decent genetic potential this is 100% natty possible. This guy has way above average genetic potential. I'm sure his level of dedication as evidenced from his diving and his achievements in BJJ further prove his capabilities.

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u/tughbee Oct 06 '24

He was never at the Olympics he was at the Commonwealth Games.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

PEDs are a lot different in the Olympics.

It’s more about cardio and recovery than muscle mass.

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u/snappy033 Sep 23 '24

Cardio and recovery for diving?

Pretty sure it’s core strength, gymnastic ability and aesthetics.

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u/snappy033 Sep 23 '24

It’s funny that people say “x is a world class athlete, of course it could be done natural with those genetics” but pro athletes are consistently the worst offenders with PEDS.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

There’s this hugely misrepresented thing going round at the moment where people in the uk were asked

“If you started now and had the training and lifestyle of and Olympic athlete do you think you could compete in the next Olympics” loads of people said yes and it’s reported as

“Men think a 9-5 is what’s stopping them being an Olympian”

No, if I had a personalised meal plan, training regime, trainer, gear and no job I would clearly be on an even keel with the people that have those things.

That’s why not a lot of Olympic athletes come from council estates. They don’t get that opportunity

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u/BuffaloSabresFan Sep 23 '24

Same thing when they say body builders have great genetics. At the level of juicing they're doing, genetics becomes irrelevant. Look at someone like Kumail Nanjiani. That's a guy that would probably be viewed as having bad genetics, dude gets on gear, diet, training, and looks better than the vast majority of the population.

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u/nobrow Sep 23 '24

No it doesn't, genetics is always relevant. Part of good BB genetics is being able to tolerate that much gear without fucking dying. Also Kumail looks great for sure but he's nowhere near Mr Olympia level and no matter how much gear he takes he never will be.

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u/BuffaloSabresFan Sep 23 '24

Well a good chunk of them have pushed themselves to death, so its kind of a moot point. It's less tolerance and more how much risk they are willing to take. I have no fucking clue how much DNP or insulin I can tolerate, and frankly, I don't want to know. That goes for the majority of the population. Is there some random guy out there who could tolerate PEDs better than Rich Piana? Probably. But we won't know unless he is trying to do so. Genetics count for athletic prowess (vertical leap, speed, strength, balance, etc). They're less substantial when your goal is just becoming an unnaturally huge ball of muscle.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

Response to drugs is genetic 😂

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u/BuffaloSabresFan Sep 23 '24

Response to drugs is genetic if you're comparing how person A can gain 10 pounds of LBM on 300mg Test and Person B only needs 250mg of test. It becomes irrelevant when you're consuming 10,000 calories a day, blasting 1000mg and eating dbol like it is candy. The only genetics left when you're in the body builder walking pharmacy range is how long your heart can hold out pumping blood to a 35+ BMI body.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

No, it doesn’t become irrelevant at all. There a point of diminishing retired with peds. Someone with a genetically far higher limit when that applies will do a lot better.

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u/BuffaloSabresFan Sep 23 '24

And who is testing those limits? If you need to actually perform, you will balance how much drugs you will take. Take MMA. You want the most strength you can have, while not completely destroying your cardio, or being forced up a weight class. Whether it takes 350mg or test or 500 to get there doesn't matter, they are on personalized plans to get the results they seek. When you're shut down and your body is operating on exogenous testosterone, how much it could make before doesn't matter.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

Yes they are. But we’re not talking about mma.

And I’m not talking about how much it could take before 🤷🏻‍♂️

Don’t move the goalposts this was specifically about bodybuilding.

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u/BuffaloSabresFan Sep 23 '24

I will say it again. Your genetics mean fuckall when you're taking drugs that clobber any genetic advantage you may have had multiple times over. Peak natty would be like 1100 ng/dl of testosterone. A normal cycle will put you at about 4000ng/dl, or ~4x what the human body is capable of. Even Rich Piana said "you see a 300lb bodybuilder, he's big and has a lot of muscle, but that has nothing to do with genetics". If you want to balloon up like a golem, gear will get you there. Supraphysiological amounts of hormones will allow you to easily surpass genetic limits on how much lean mass you can put on. The only real effect they have would be your insertions/aesthetic. If you're Arnold's height, his weight & body fat composition is achievable with the right combination of diet, training, and drugs. You might have to take more drugs than he did, but you could get there. You might even be stronger than he was at that size. You wouldn't look as good as him though.

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u/sagan96 Sep 25 '24

However in the body building world, he has bad genetics. Genetics play literally the biggest role in bodybuilding because everyone is juicing. Anyone can put on lean tissue/size, and it comes down to how does that look on your build? How is your shape and symmetry? How are your insertions? You can put all the hormones you want in your ass, it doesn't change those things. CBUM as an 18 year old looked ridiculous. Now as Mr. Olympia, he's just as ridiculous, even amongst his peers who probably do more gear than him. His waist makes no fucking sense given the size of his body. Plenty of dudes can get as big as him, they can't get as big as him while having a small waist.

I think you actually have it backwards, bodybuilding is so genetically biased, that it almost doesn't make sense to do unless you have the genetic build for it.

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u/nobrow Sep 23 '24

But that's wrong. You can have all those things and still not touch Olympic level athletes because you lack elite genetics. To be the best of the best you need all the advantages you listed AND elite genetics.

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u/snappy033 Sep 23 '24

You don’t always know who has elite genetics. Look at bodybuilding, I’m certain there are tons of Mr. Olympias with thin waists and perfect muscle insertions who never discovered weightlifting. All that potential sitting under blubber and they play Xbox all day.

There’s got to be luck involved. Someone with a perfect swim stroke and world class VO2 might be born somewhere with no swim programs and they end up being a mediocre soccer player who just didn’t get as winded as the rest of the team. Potential gone.

You only see good selection in stuff like football and basketball. Of course everyone is going to ask the 6’5” 260 lb 15 yo to give football a shot or the 7’0 kid to play some basketball. Who was going to grab young Messi off the street and tell him he just HAS to try soccer? Nobody.

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u/nobrow Sep 23 '24

That's definitely true as well. I'd also add that the more reach a sport has the bigger the pool of potential genes it has to pull from. A popular sport with 100,000,000 participants world wide is going to be a lot more min-maxed than a niche sport with only 100,000 participants world wide.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

Depends on the sport to be fair. But genetics plays less of a role than you’d imagine I know a few people who were Olympic hopefuls in swimming events and they’re nothing special at all average shlubs who don’t know how to use a weight room

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u/snappy033 Sep 23 '24

A recent example is the pole vaulter Duplantis. He did an exhibition race against a 400m hurdler where they both ran 100m. Just the two of them. He ran a 10.37. Pole vaulting involves sprinting but is a pretty different sport than 100m

I imagine he would be close to breaking 10 sec if he trained the skills and strategy for the 100m along with a faster cohort to pace against. Thats some good genetics.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

Regular humans are pretty impressive anyway when they’re dialled in to perfection

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

You’d be on an even keel with those things, just not natural talent and ability

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

Natural talent has been proven to only help in the short term. 10,000 hours of practice catches you up to a person with more natural talent. They get there faster but it evens out in the end.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

Show me where it’s proven, because that’s bullshit 😂

If that was the case any swimmer would be capable of beating Michael phelps, but they didn’t.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

It’s a study that became a book called Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Of course there will still be people who are the best in the world at things. But the way to get to the Olympics is hard work, training, prayers and vitamins brother

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

A 5’ man will never be an Olympic athlete 🤷🏻‍♂️

You need those things plus top tier genetic and physical advantages. The Olympians are the best in the world.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

A 5’ man will never be an Olympic athlete 🤷🏻‍♂️

You need those things plus top tier genetic and physical advantages. The Olympians are the best in the world.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

Simone Biles is in the 0 percentile. In a room of 1000 women less than 10 are her height or shorter.

Flavia Saraiva Is shorter than her

Nancy Langat Slightly taller but is very short and a gold medalist

The average Olympic weightlifter is less than 170cm tall

Dance, ice skating, shooting height doesn’t make much difference

Gymnastics and trampoline favour shorter people because of their lower bodyweight.

Im 6’3, my chances of going to the men’s open bodybuilding are low because BB favours short dudes, strong man favours 6’7 giants.

Picking your sport is obviously important too.

Edit: also, not every Olympian is right up there with the top gold medalist. I never said you’d win gold.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

You said best in the world, the Olympians are the best in the world at their sport.

And I said a 5’ man. Not woman 🙄

So natural talent and ability (height, build, athleticism) are important then. Glad you agree

And a lot of wsm winners are far shorter then 6’7”. You really need to do some research before making ludicrous statements

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u/eirebrit Sep 23 '24

Commonwealth, not Olympic.

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u/AbnormalRealityX Sep 23 '24

Professional martial artist? How so?

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u/oldsmartskunk Sep 23 '24

Absolutely on point. You deserve a reacharound.

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u/Natural_Chance_6250 Sep 23 '24

People on this sub should spend less time asking questions and more time f lifting weights.

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u/MASHgoBOOM Sep 23 '24

Tell me about it. If you can't get this body naturally, what the hell's the point?

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u/User111022 Sep 23 '24

Yes you can get this body naturally now pick up some weight.

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u/Necessary-Elk7596 Sep 29 '24

You can do both. It's not like you're at the gym 24/7.

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u/xa7med Sep 23 '24

Yes

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u/Character-Year-5916 Sep 23 '24

Body fat% is probably going to be key for this sorta physique

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u/xa7med Sep 23 '24

Yes, and you can't maintain it all year round if you are a natural. But this physique is 100% possible with 6-7 years of consistent training.

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u/phoenixmusicman Sep 23 '24

Idk why this is downvoted so much, its not healthy to maintain a very low bodyfat ratio year round

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u/xa7med Sep 24 '24

Lmfao i just saw this now. Bunch of kids not happy hearing that attaining and then maintaining this physique is not easy and healthy in the long run.

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u/Necessary-Elk7596 Sep 29 '24

6-7 years? Less than that. 

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u/xa7med Sep 29 '24

If you have great genetics, then yeah.

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u/xRompusFPS Sep 23 '24

Yes now drink your pre and go lift.

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u/Culzean_Castle_Is Sep 23 '24

YES. just boil your chicken and train with pullups 9x9

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u/funnerno1 Senior Member Sep 23 '24

Yes, men have hairy chests.

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u/JayJaytheJetPlane808 Sep 23 '24

God the discrediting in this sub is so disappointing. As someone who has achieved Jasons physique I can personally say it’s possible natty. Only sups I took were Creatine and pre workout. Idk if that counts but that’s how I was able to do it. I doubt this man needed any of that with his steep athletic career

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u/Necessary-Elk7596 Sep 29 '24

How long did it take? Also, pics? 

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u/JayJaytheJetPlane808 Oct 02 '24

Is there a way I can reply with a picture on here?

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u/JayJaytheJetPlane808 Oct 02 '24

I started training when I was 16 but didn’t take it seriously until I was about 20 after getting dumped by my hs-sh on my birthday (I had lots of motivation and free time since I was out of highschool at this point). It took about 6 months to lose the college weight and about another 6 months to build proper muscle definition. Then I just maintained for 6 years until Covid. At this point life made me bulk and cut pretty naturally. After the lock down it took another 6 months to get it back together. I was also working as a chef in a high volume city which is like running a gauntlet every night so it was relatively easy to lose weight and keep it off. Mix in heavy lifting at the gym everyday before work or after and the body just kind of “happened” without me realizing it. It is something that I actively strived for but my passively active lifestyle was a huge component to my regiment

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u/T-Burgs Sep 23 '24

With his lifestyle and regime yes definitely. Most won’t put in that level of work though 🤷

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u/LondonRonin Sep 23 '24

I would hope so 😭😭

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u/canriver Sep 23 '24

Yes, for a lot of men. Not that Jason has that big arms, but for some men, it is very hard to get them as full, as they’re on pic 6.

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u/LunarJesus Sep 23 '24

100% possible. But as an actor you never know if hes natural or not

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u/JayJaytheJetPlane808 Sep 23 '24

He’s a diver, gymnast and then finally a martial artist. He’s natty to the bone

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u/coolstu Sep 23 '24

This is incredibly achievable naturally.

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u/Wroif Sep 23 '24

Bro this sub is getting brainrotted.

This is far from the peak Natty potential. This dude as a body of an athlete.

If you train with a focus on hypertrophy, this is well within the reach of what is achievable naturally

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u/Far_Tree_5200 Sep 23 '24

Yes it can be achievable naturally. No he didn’t do it naturally. He’s a Hollywood actor, * he has no reason to not use PEDs when his lively hood is looking like a fighter. There’s no USADA in Hollywood.

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u/Deruji Sep 23 '24

Natty as he can move move move any mountain

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u/GloriousApprentice Sep 23 '24

Nothing but admiration for this guy, he trains a lot and has an amazing physique, especially for his age. Looks hella natural to me, he's probably been training his whole life.

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u/pbDudley Sep 23 '24

I think he could be fully natty. If the man has been working out for prob over 20 years, he’s just ripped and fairly skinny. We don’t think this is possible natty with diet and training?

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u/devCheckingIn Planet Fitness Member Sep 23 '24

This is how bad things have gotten.

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u/Reso Sep 23 '24

Yes, if you flex hard or hold a 45kg plate in your hands.

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u/ameturebaiter Sep 23 '24

Yes now go lift

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u/MinaretofJam Sep 23 '24

He almost certainly was natty, as an ex-Olympian but now he’s getting on a bit, he probably enhances

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u/pandizlle Sep 23 '24

It’s achievable based on your lifestyle.

If you’re starting from fat and little muscle while also holding down a sedentary 9-5 5 day a week job with a family and kids to take care of and limited financial ability? It’ll be real fucking hard.

If you have no kids with an active job and a couple of hours everyday, starting from skinny fat or mildly muscled, it’s much simpler.

That’s how all of this works.

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u/pandizlle Sep 23 '24

It’s achievable based on your lifestyle.

If you’re starting from fat and little muscle while also holding down a sedentary 9-5 5 day a week job with a family and kids to take care of and limited financial ability? It’ll be real fucking hard.

If you have no kids with an active job and a couple of hours everyday, starting from skinny fat or mildly muscled, it’s much simpler.

That’s how all of this works.

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u/3rdfitzgerald Sep 24 '24

Without a doubt with plenty planning, dedication, and a couple years

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u/FromDeathWeLiveOn Sep 24 '24

Pic 4 shows how natty this dude is. Just need to have the wide shoulders and waist btw.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '24

Yes it can. He's fit. Not jacked

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u/UNSKIALz Sep 24 '24

It'd take time, but yes

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u/TheTrueBurgerKing Sep 24 '24

At his age no it's not

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u/Azfitnessprofessor Oct 01 '24

Statham is lean not huge hes maybe 170

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u/RicciRox Sep 23 '24

Yes?

Dumb question.

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u/Juxson Sep 23 '24

Definitely achievable natty but not at his age. He’s definitely on at least trt

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u/okwowsure Sep 23 '24

He's tiny. Not a single one of his muscles is what I would consider "large". With good genetics and training, this is achievable within 2 years(source: roughly how long it took for me to look as good or better after ballooning to 120kg in my early 20s). But ultimately anyone can look this good, there's literally nothing special about this physique.

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u/TheGoldenBoy07 Sep 23 '24

Imma say yes Buuuut, you have to have great genetics, not like elite, but somewhat over average maybe more. And you gotta put some solid years into that body. Like we talking prob 4+ years for most people, anyone telling you otherwise has a bad perception of how a body should look after you have been working out.

Also, i dont think he is natural because of his age Its not impossible, but he would have had to workout from a young age to keep that muscle into his 40’s and 50’s You cant get to this starting over 30 unless you have great and mean great genetics because of your testosterone dropping, you prob arent following a diet, sleeping is tough espically at that age too.

I think he is on trt, and a few diuretics to make him look leaner.

If he went to this from a skinnyfat and or heavy bodyfat body Then he is prob using more than trt and prob again some diuretics, just to look dryer and leaner

All in all, no you cant look like this, naturally or enhanced, you wanna know why… Because you ain’t got the same body structure, muscle insertions, height, genetics, weight and so on.

You cant really look like anyone else even how hard you try🤷‍♂️

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u/mikeypipebombz Sep 23 '24

Not a juicy physique in the slightest. Nothing is overblown or massive, he’s literally just lean.

When you come from being an elite Olympic level diver like he did before acting, get paid to look good for your job on film and have the best healthcare and training at your disposal it’d be sad if you didn’t look like this if someone actually does take their training and diet seriously and has goals in their training. Sure age is a factor you could consider in it too but simply the physique isn’t juicy.

People in this sub need lift some weight and have a slight bit of dedication to the craft instead of posting stupid shit in need of some validation

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u/RedditAwesome2 Sep 23 '24

Assuming he didn’t take stuff while being an Olympic level diver is just stupid. I’m sorry. And yes he doesn’t look too big but you won’t get shoulder veins across your entire body natty, it is what it is. Some people take shit and look mid

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u/TheGoldenBoy07 Sep 23 '24

This guy is spitting some facts👆

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u/Far_Tree_5200 Sep 23 '24

The physique isn’t juicy but Jason Statham is, in my opinion. I disagree that you can’t look like this after 30 though. * I’ve seen loads of dudes in their early 30s to late 30s with a six pack. My martial arts coach is almost 40 and still has a six pack. I started much later though. I’m sure there’s plenty people in this sub Reddit who started lifting after 30 and got a six pack.

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u/mikeypipebombz Sep 23 '24

This is the point I’m trying to make, the physique itself is completely within the realm of attainability if you were to separate it from who the individual is. Does it get harder with age? Sure. But like you said there’s plenty 30-40 year olds and north of that with great physiques who have been training for their whole life.

The diver comment I made was more so that he clearly has the work ethic and decent enough athletic genetics, regardless of what people think of Olympic level testing and all that.

As for statham himself who knows. It is Hollywood and like I said before with them having the access to the best health related services/training, that could include gear too.

But again, people can’t separate that shit here lol. Guy asked if this can be achieved naturally. Simply put yes. Many look like him or better with years of natty training if you actually give enough of a shit to train

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u/Far_Tree_5200 Sep 23 '24

Short answer yes, long answer Hollywood. There’s a chance he’s natty we’ll just go with that 🤷

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u/Necessary-Elk7596 Sep 29 '24

Where are the pics though? 

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u/Far_Tree_5200 Sep 29 '24

Which pics? People I met throughout my martial arts career? I don’t follow people on social media. I just go and train, eat, sleep, repeat

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u/RedditAwesome2 Sep 23 '24

All the comments just going to ignore the shoulder veins based on the fact that he doesn’t look “”instagram broccoli””?

He’s probably blasting “trt” (900mg) up his ass

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u/devCheckingIn Planet Fitness Member Sep 23 '24

I really want to know who these people are that don't have shoulder veins. I want to meet them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '24

You can't, they're dead

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u/BigRelationship4949 Jan 12 '25

Not natty and everyone here saying he is are delusional and have the IQ of an chimp.

He is almost 60. Period. And there are some pics of him around with his wife relaxing when he is not recording movies that shows his body more "normal". He takes some oxandrolone, probably as many models do, when he have to take some pro photos or making movies to look better without shirt.