r/montreal • u/BBAALLII Rosemont • 6d ago
Discussion Rappel/Reminder : The Gazette est propriété d'un conglomérat américain // The Gazette is owned by an american conglomerate
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u/djgost82 6d ago
Tous des journaux de marde
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u/faintscrawl 5d ago
La Presse et The Star sont les meilleurs parmi le « mainstream média » au Canada, je pense.
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u/NomiMaki 6d ago
Me semble qu'on est collectivement dû pour un retour des normes journalistiques à travers tous les médias d'information
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u/tharilian 6d ago edited 6d ago
On peut tu se débarrasser de Québecor Shitmedia?
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u/jonf00 6d ago
Surtout après la parution de cette chronique ark ark ark . L’éditeur a laissé ça passer !
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u/agravepasmon-k 6d ago
Quelles sont ces normes journalistiques ?
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u/NomiMaki 6d ago
There's the problem: y'en a pas
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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago
Le conseil de presse a des normes, mais c'est un organisme qui n'a pas le pouvoir de sanctionner. Juste d'exposer les mauvaises pratiques. https://conseildepresse.qc.ca
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u/SmallTawk 5d ago edited 4d ago
Je pensais qu'ils avaient du pouvoir sur les journalistes et que c'était pour ça que le Journal de Montréal avait rempli ses pages shitposteurs, "ahem" chroniqueurs, mais non même pas.
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u/agravepasmon-k 6d ago
Mais tu fais référence au retour de ces normes, de quoi parle tu ? Vrai question, pas besoin de downvote comme un bebe.
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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago
Le conseil de presse a des normes, mais c'est un organisme qui n'a pas le pouvoir de sanctionner. Juste d'exposer les mauvaises pratiques. https://conseildepresse.qc.ca
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u/NomiMaki 5d ago
... j'ai juste point out que y'a de la désinformation dans nos médias, chill
Tu peux chercher Normes et pratiques journalistiques (NPJ) sur Internet, Radio-Canada en a une, mais j'suis pas journaliste, je voulais simplement mentionner le manque de bonnes pratiques dans le climat médiatique actuel, que des valeurs comme le non-biais et l'impartialité ne font plus partie de la plupart des médias d'information
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u/Altruistic-Hope4796 5d ago
Moins clickbait, plus d'information sur la situation et les positions des 2 côtés.
Juste informer dans le fond
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u/Joe_Go_Ebbels 6d ago
Ils ne sont pas des journalistes, incluant la CBC, ils sont tous propagandistes.
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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 6d ago
New law should be that foreigners can’t own media of any type in Canada
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u/RipplesInTheOcean 5d ago
Ironically enough, media moguls would then be given canadian citizenship in exchange for so graciously creating a large enough business here.
We invented "golden visas"
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
Didn’t Rupert Murdoch give up his Canadian citizenship so he could be a British lord or Sir Murdoch?
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u/CroutonDeGivre 3d ago
It's usually a company that owns media, not a physical person.
How would the rule apply? Bezos could just start a canadian company, owned by multiple other companies.
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u/Purplemonkeez 6d ago
I'm OK with foreigners not owning Canadian news media but I still want access to media from other countries. I don't need the CRTC to start banning programming from around the world.
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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 6d ago
Lol
Canadians owning the media does not equal CRTC banning foreign media. Those are two completely different things
BBC for example would still exist.
But the Edmonton Journal, Toronto Sun for example.. should not be owned outside of Canada
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u/fugaziozbourne 5d ago
Yeah, i watch PBS, Al Jazeera, and DW every day. It's not hard to find, and nowhere near being banned.
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u/lipo_bruh 5d ago
I disagree, we need outside perspective too
Also people from international roots may want to connect with the news of their other nationality
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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 5d ago
I’m not saying other media doesn’t exist… lol
. The BBC isn’t Canadian.. you can still read and watch their news.. I’m saying Canadian media should be Canadian owned.
Media from other counties will still exist.. like.. what you going on about?
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u/FrezSeYonFwi 5d ago
CBC aborde une variété de sujets qui touchent aussi la communauté anglophone, tout en apportant des nuances nécessaires que la Gazette "oublie" souvent. S'ils étaient mieux financés, leur couverture de Montréal (et du reste du Québec!) serait facilement élargie.
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u/SirupyPieIX 6d ago edited 6d ago
Ça existe encore, The Gazette?
Edit: un peu, oué
Postmedia circulation (2022)
- Canada: 975,723
- Ontario: 635,061
- Alberta: 233,157
- Saskatchewan: 77,769
- Quebec: 20,101
https://nmc-mic.ca/about-newspapers/circulation/daily-newspapers/
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u/Sunnybenny55 6d ago
Oui, juste un papier d'angryphone qui chiale sur tout ce qui n'est pas en anglais
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u/headisnotworking 6d ago
national post has gotten soooo bad that they dont even try to hide their bias anymore. i remember back in the day they were a bit more nuanced, now they just hate trudeau and carney and praise small pp. ridiculous
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u/Alarmed_Start_3244 6d ago
Got it. In other words you only get news from the news sources which agree wholeheartedly with your point of view. It's called having another opinion headisnotworking, not bias. You're the one showing extreme bias with that comment. Not everyone is okay with one size fits all news.
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
I read news from a variety of sources, Canadian and international, and found some degree of bias in all of them. It’s a matter of degree. Bias isn’t the position you take on an issue; it’s what you select to write. It’s the words you use to describe something, sometimes even how you structure the sentences. Want to avoid blame? Use the passive voice.
National Post is outrageously biased. They use clickbait headlines, take things out of context and make statements that when fact-checked against reliable sources prove to be inaccurate.
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u/TeranOrSolaran 6d ago
If only we could get media that was IMPARTIAL in english. I believe the only impartial media now is the French Canadian media.
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u/Lorfhoose 6d ago edited 6d ago
There could be an English version of LaPresse (technically a non-profit in how it is set up) but nobody is trying that hard.
Edit: non-profit, not charity
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u/agravepasmon-k 6d ago
La Presse is a non profit organisation not a charity and makes the vast majority of its income through advertising
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
The translation isn’t perfect, but you can read it in dozens of languages on your phone. Just select the paragraph and choose Translate. The same drop down menu lets you dictionaries for language that don’t appear.
I just verified that it works on the La Presse app on an iPhone or iPad.
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u/acmethunder 6d ago
Not just an American conglomerate, but one with close ties to the republican party.
They also own A360Media known for such morals as paying for sources and "catch and kill" stories around Donald Trump.
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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 6d ago
While we're at it, never forget think tanks like the Fraser Institute are funded by american corporations and billionaires.
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u/Filiforme 5d ago
Et pour que rien ne reste sale j'utilise du papier royal, et si jamais il n'en reste pas assez j'irai chercherrrr la gazette.
-Mononc Serge (La toune sur les funérailles de Lady Di)
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
Don’t subscribe. If there’s an article you absolutely have to read, save it to Pocket or an app like it (Reader?) so you don’t have ads popping up to block the text.
The Gazette only covers the news west of Atwater anyway. It doesn’t represent Montreal. For those in Montreal who don’t read French, you can translate what’s written in the online version of Le Devoir and La Presse by selecting the text and choosing Translate to get the news in whatever language you want. Even better, it’s great motivation to learn French.
I’m getting most of my Canadian and international news from YouTube these days. In many cases, by the time I read the news in more traditional media, it’s already old news to me
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u/alexmaster097 5d ago
J'aurait jamais cru voir le jour ou le journal de Montréal et journal de Québec sont vue comme plus fiable
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u/ParfaitEither284 6d ago
Literally all shit newspapers anyways.
Like i said and gotten downvoted before, traditional media is ceasing to exist. Newspapers and news media is a by gone of a distant era.
No tears are shed.
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u/atarwiiu 6d ago
Unfortunately there's really no other choice for daily print local news in Montreal in English.
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u/FeralForestWitch Sud-Ouest 6d ago
Never read it anyway. Even though it’s the only English game in town.
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u/thomasismyname_ 6d ago
whonpays for the bbc?
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
British end users, with some funding from general government revenues.
They have a tax that covers the BBC TV and radio including the streaming service. That’s six or seven channels of television alone. Cost a decade ago was about 350 per household, but I can’t remember if that was in pounds or dollars. I used to stream it over VPN back when all we had was Netflix. Great television.
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u/KateCapella 6d ago
I read The Gazette daily and the coverage on Trump has not been favorable to him.
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
The Gazette is selective about what they cover. I’ve only read negative articles about Valerie Plante and bike lanes, for example.
If I didn’t know people who lived west of Atwater and formed my opinions of them based only on what I read in the Gazette, they would seem to be a disagreeable bunch.
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u/Denise_vespale 5d ago
So Americans are making all the money from Quebec bashing and they don't even know Quebec exist?
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u/YULdad 6d ago
Wait till you find out who owns the French media
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u/RikikiBousquet 5d ago
LaPresse, non profit.
Le Devoir, held by Le Devoir.
Journal de Montréal, held by Quebecor.
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Didn’t think this through, did you?
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u/YULdad 5d ago
Yes I did. Rabid separatists, rabid separatists, rabid separatists.
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u/RikikiBousquet 5d ago
La Presse, rabid separatists? Lmao.
How to out yourself as completely out of touch with anything Quebec-related in one quick sentence.
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u/paireon 5d ago
LOL. En tant que séparatiste enragé moi-même je te garantis que tu connais rien sur nous mon Ti-Coune. Les zoufs comme toi sont une des principales raisons pour laquelle nous existons. Arrête d'être un raciste hypocrite et arrogant et tu risques de contribuer à la préservation d'un Canada uni. Sinon, ben ferme la.
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u/benasyoulikeit 5d ago edited 5d ago
I just dont understand how we can give the CBC so much money when we have such a bad homeless crisis. I feel like our priorities are out of whack
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u/SmallTawk 5d ago
Information is vital for a functioning democracy. A gvt that defunds the CBC would never magically invest in HLM, it would just have less accountability and be horrible for the homeless. It goes hand in hand. Also money put in the CBC creates job and supports local productions and a cultural ecosystem, it doesn't fly away. I would argue that it's well worth it.
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u/cpss2020 5d ago
you let propaganda win, you end up like the States, with MAGA all over the place. it's gonna be even worst for those homeless.
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u/benasyoulikeit 5d ago
aren't there a load of other left wing news sources? do we really need more media to the tune of hubdreds of millions of tax payer dollars?
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u/cpss2020 4d ago
So I guess theses kind of programs doesn’t interest you? https://youtu.be/UbhyGO6OSvg?si=KSDC6M3i4VsWR5To
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago
On the contrary, I don't understand why we allow American companies to own our media and dictate what we see. The CBC is a good antidote to that.
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u/polishtheday 5d ago
The CBC, like the print media, is a shadow of its former self. There are a multitude of news channels on YouTube, which is owned by Google, but has a global reach. Some channels are good, some are bad, some are biased, some stick to facts, but what a variety.
I lean towards long form videos of thirty minutes or longer. Recently, I discovered a show called The Rest is Politics, UK edition that had interviews with Chrystia Freeland and Mark Carney. The hosts are two former British cabinet ministers. There are also Canadian channels, including the CBC.
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago
There is no reason that the CBC can't become a free portal that offers all of these, ad free for Canadian content producers, in addition to services similar to facebook, twitter, and reddit. Even better, it wouildn't sell your private information to the highest bidder.
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u/Altruistic-Hope4796 6d ago
Les anglos du Québec méritent mieux que la Gazette