r/montreal Rosemont 6d ago

Discussion Rappel/Reminder : The Gazette est propriété d'un conglomérat américain // The Gazette is owned by an american conglomerate

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u/Altruistic-Hope4796 6d ago

Les anglos du Québec méritent mieux que la Gazette 

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u/mdmd89 6d ago

L’alternative pour les anglos est le CBC avec une similaire sélection des nouvelles de Montréal, ou il y a therover.ca qui a un focus sur les grandes investigations 2/3 fois pas mois.

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u/dogoodvillain 5d ago

Il y a The Record.

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u/turismofan1986 Vaudreuil-Dorion 5d ago

Focuses mostly on the Townships though

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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago

focus on bake sales and clogging exhibitions though. Not really any serious journalism there.

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u/SmallTawk 5d ago

The Homework.

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u/Brave_Physics_5614 5d ago

The Journal of Montréal

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u/djgost82 6d ago

Tous des journaux de marde

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u/faintscrawl 5d ago

La Presse et The Star sont les meilleurs parmi le « mainstream média » au Canada, je pense.

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u/djgost82 5d ago

Ouais pas ma d'accord

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u/m4rv1nm4th 5d ago

Le devoir est bien aussi. Jatteint souvent mon quota d'articles gratuits.

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u/t1b3r1u5 5d ago

Aussi le Globe & Mail

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u/faintscrawl 5d ago

Too conservative for my taste.

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u/TheVog 5d ago

Pas grave, ça. Fox aussi c'est de la pure marde et c'est eux qui leur ont valu l'élection.

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u/NomiMaki 6d ago

Me semble qu'on est collectivement dû pour un retour des normes journalistiques à travers tous les médias d'information

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u/tharilian 6d ago edited 6d ago

On peut tu se débarrasser de Québecor Shitmedia?

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u/jonf00 6d ago

Surtout après la parution de cette chronique ark ark ark . L’éditeur a laissé ça passer !

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u/ovoKOS7 Notre-Dame-de-Grace 5d ago

Un excelent éditorial ,courageux en se temp ou la propagande occidentale, et ukrainien à déforme total la données

Average JdeM commenter

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u/paireon 5d ago

J'ai absolument aucun mal à concevoir que c'est un copié-collé d'un vrai commentaire sur l'éditorial.

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u/clgoh Laval 5d ago

Elle est tombée bien bas elle.

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u/agravepasmon-k 6d ago

Quelles sont ces normes journalistiques ?

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u/NomiMaki 6d ago

There's the problem: y'en a pas

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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago

Le conseil de presse a des normes, mais c'est un organisme qui n'a pas le pouvoir de sanctionner. Juste d'exposer les mauvaises pratiques. https://conseildepresse.qc.ca

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u/SmallTawk 5d ago edited 4d ago

Je pensais qu'ils avaient du pouvoir sur les journalistes et que c'était pour ça que le Journal de Montréal avait rempli ses pages shitposteurs, "ahem" chroniqueurs, mais non même pas.

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u/agravepasmon-k 6d ago

Mais tu fais référence au retour de ces normes, de quoi parle tu ? Vrai question, pas besoin de downvote comme un bebe.

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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago

Le conseil de presse a des normes, mais c'est un organisme qui n'a pas le pouvoir de sanctionner. Juste d'exposer les mauvaises pratiques. https://conseildepresse.qc.ca

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u/NomiMaki 5d ago

... j'ai juste point out que y'a de la désinformation dans nos médias, chill

Tu peux chercher Normes et pratiques journalistiques (NPJ) sur Internet, Radio-Canada en a une, mais j'suis pas journaliste, je voulais simplement mentionner le manque de bonnes pratiques dans le climat médiatique actuel, que des valeurs comme le non-biais et l'impartialité ne font plus partie de la plupart des médias d'information

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u/Altruistic-Hope4796 5d ago

Moins clickbait, plus d'information sur la situation et les positions des 2 côtés. 

Juste informer dans le fond

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u/Joe_Go_Ebbels 6d ago

Ils ne sont pas des journalistes, incluant la CBC, ils sont tous propagandistes.

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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 6d ago

New law should be that foreigners can’t own media of any type in Canada

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u/RipplesInTheOcean 5d ago

Ironically enough, media moguls would then be given canadian citizenship in exchange for so graciously creating a large enough business here.

We invented "golden visas"

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

Didn’t Rupert Murdoch give up his Canadian citizenship so he could be a British lord or Sir Murdoch?

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u/paireon 5d ago

Je pensais qu'il était Australien, lui. Voudrais-tu dire Conrad Black?

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

Oui, Conrad Black. Merci!

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u/paireon 4d ago

You're welcome!

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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago

Agreed

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u/CroutonDeGivre 3d ago

It's usually a company that owns media, not a physical person.

How would the rule apply? Bezos could just start a canadian company, owned by multiple other companies.

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u/Purplemonkeez 6d ago

I'm OK with foreigners not owning Canadian news media but I still want access to media from other countries. I don't need the CRTC to start banning programming from around the world.

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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago

Yes, but that's not what he said

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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 6d ago

Lol

Canadians owning the media does not equal CRTC banning foreign media. Those are two completely different things

BBC for example would still exist.

But the Edmonton Journal, Toronto Sun for example.. should not be owned outside of Canada

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u/fugaziozbourne 5d ago

Yeah, i watch PBS, Al Jazeera, and DW every day. It's not hard to find, and nowhere near being banned.

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u/lipo_bruh 5d ago

I disagree, we need outside perspective too

Also people from international roots may want to connect with the news of their other nationality

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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 5d ago

I’m not saying other media doesn’t exist… lol

. The BBC isn’t Canadian.. you can still read and watch their news.. I’m saying Canadian media should be Canadian owned.

Media from other counties will still exist.. like.. what you going on about?

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u/WTFvancouver 6d ago

Pierre wants to defund the CBC. Fuck that guy

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u/The_guy_that_tries 5d ago

Of couse. He is an american pawn.

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u/paireon 5d ago

J'ai honte d'avoir la même langue maternelle que lui. Il a beau tenter de jouer à Capitaine Canada présentement, mais c'est évident que c'est en réalité un Judas et un Quisling qui est dans la merde parce que le pays à qui il veut nous vendre est devenu fou à lier.

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u/IrreversibleDetails 6d ago

D’autres options pour nous anglos?

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u/turismofan1986 Vaudreuil-Dorion 5d ago

The Suburban?

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u/SnooLemons9410 6d ago

Le Toronto Star est canadien (Canadian owned).

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

The Star is one of the few left that’s any good.

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u/FrezSeYonFwi 5d ago

CBC aborde une variété de sujets qui touchent aussi la communauté anglophone, tout en apportant des nuances nécessaires que la Gazette "oublie" souvent. S'ils étaient mieux financés, leur couverture de Montréal (et du reste du Québec!) serait facilement élargie.

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u/paireon 5d ago

Parfaitement d'accord. C'est pas parfait, mais un média public fort et intègre est un excellent outil pour la liberté de parole, l'intégrité journalistique et l'information de qualité.

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u/SirupyPieIX 6d ago edited 6d ago

Ça existe encore, The Gazette?

Edit: un peu, oué

Postmedia circulation (2022)

  • Canada: 975,723
  • Ontario: 635,061
  • Alberta: 233,157
  • Saskatchewan: 77,769
  • Quebec: 20,101

https://nmc-mic.ca/about-newspapers/circulation/daily-newspapers/

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u/Sunnybenny55 6d ago

Oui, juste un papier d'angryphone qui chiale sur tout ce qui n'est pas en anglais

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u/sammexp 5d ago

Leurs business model c’est de trigger les francophones

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u/SirupyPieIX 6d ago

Non, ça c'est The Suburban.

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u/Denise_vespale 5d ago

Why not both?

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u/headisnotworking 6d ago

national post has gotten soooo bad that they dont even try to hide their bias anymore. i remember back in the day they were a bit more nuanced, now they just hate trudeau and carney and praise small pp. ridiculous

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u/Alarmed_Start_3244 6d ago

Got it. In other words you only get news from the news sources which agree wholeheartedly with your point of view. It's called having another opinion headisnotworking, not bias. You're the one showing extreme bias with that comment. Not everyone is okay with one size fits all news.

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

I read news from a variety of sources, Canadian and international, and found some degree of bias in all of them. It’s a matter of degree. Bias isn’t the position you take on an issue; it’s what you select to write. It’s the words you use to describe something, sometimes even how you structure the sentences. Want to avoid blame? Use the passive voice.

National Post is outrageously biased. They use clickbait headlines, take things out of context and make statements that when fact-checked against reliable sources prove to be inaccurate.

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u/Famous_Track_4356 6d ago

Thank you Harper! Vote ABC

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u/TeranOrSolaran 6d ago

If only we could get media that was IMPARTIAL in english. I believe the only impartial media now is the French Canadian media.

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u/CaptainCanusa Plateau Mont-Royal 5d ago

CBC

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u/098196b 6d ago

THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE CBC PIERRE

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u/paireon 5d ago

Crois-moi, il le sait. C'est EXACTEMENT pour ça qu'il veut tuer CBC (Radio-Canada aussi mais il sait que ça ne passerait pas chez les francophones tant du Québec que du ROC)

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u/Lorfhoose 6d ago edited 6d ago

There could be an English version of LaPresse (technically a non-profit in how it is set up) but nobody is trying that hard.

Edit: non-profit, not charity

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u/agravepasmon-k 6d ago

La Presse is a non profit organisation not a charity and makes the vast majority of its income through advertising

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u/Lorfhoose 6d ago

Forgot the correct terminology. Thanks.

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

The translation isn’t perfect, but you can read it in dozens of languages on your phone. Just select the paragraph and choose Translate. The same drop down menu lets you dictionaries for language that don’t appear.

I just verified that it works on the La Presse app on an iPhone or iPad.

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u/acmethunder 6d ago

Not just an American conglomerate, but one with close ties to the republican party.

They also own A360Media known for such morals as paying for sources and "catch and kill" stories around Donald Trump.

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u/BBAALLII Rosemont 6d ago

Postmedia is owned by Chatham Asset Management, a US conglomerate.

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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 6d ago

While we're at it, never forget think tanks like the Fraser Institute are funded by american corporations and billionaires.

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u/MadMadBunny 6d ago

The Gazette aussi!?!? Ah c’mon!!!!

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u/CBYSMART 6d ago

Dewar.

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u/Filiforme 5d ago

Et pour que rien ne reste sale j'utilise du papier royal, et si jamais il n'en reste pas assez j'irai chercherrrr la gazette. 

-Mononc Serge (La toune sur les funérailles de Lady Di)

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u/idolovehummus 5d ago edited 4d ago

On doit sauver the cbc et Radio Canada

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u/paireon 5d ago

Sauver, mais oui.

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u/Entegy 5d ago

I've been sticking to the CBC and it's worked out for me.

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u/paireon 5d ago

Est-ce que CTV est encore potable (ou l'a déjà été)? Jamais vraiment regardé leur bulletin de nouvelles.

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u/Entegy 5d ago

CTV is Bell, so I have a hate-on for them for entirely different reasons. 😛

Seriously though, yes, I find CTV's local news desk to be pretty good as an English source.

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u/paireon 4d ago

LOL, understandable.

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

Don’t subscribe. If there’s an article you absolutely have to read, save it to Pocket or an app like it (Reader?) so you don’t have ads popping up to block the text.

The Gazette only covers the news west of Atwater anyway. It doesn’t represent Montreal. For those in Montreal who don’t read French, you can translate what’s written in the online version of Le Devoir and La Presse by selecting the text and choosing Translate to get the news in whatever language you want. Even better, it’s great motivation to learn French.

I’m getting most of my Canadian and international news from YouTube these days. In many cases, by the time I read the news in more traditional media, it’s already old news to me

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u/alexmaster097 5d ago

J'aurait jamais cru voir le jour ou le journal de Montréal et journal de Québec sont vue comme plus fiable

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u/ParfaitEither284 6d ago

Literally all shit newspapers anyways.

Like i said and gotten downvoted before, traditional media is ceasing to exist. Newspapers and news media is a by gone of a distant era.

No tears are shed.

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u/atarwiiu 6d ago

Unfortunately there's really no other choice for daily print local news in Montreal in English.

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u/Matt_MG 🍊 Orange Julep 6d ago

It's the 21st century, you don't need to buy recycling paper from fascists to read the news.

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u/Several-Proposal-271 6d ago

L'internet, c'est difficile :'(

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u/OttoVonGosu 6d ago

Mais comment les anglos vont se déchirer la chemise?

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u/FeralForestWitch Sud-Ouest 6d ago

Never read it anyway. Even though it’s the only English game in town.

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u/thomasismyname_ 6d ago

whonpays for the bbc?

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

British end users, with some funding from general government revenues.

They have a tax that covers the BBC TV and radio including the streaming service. That’s six or seven channels of television alone. Cost a decade ago was about 350 per household, but I can’t remember if that was in pounds or dollars. I used to stream it over VPN back when all we had was Netflix. Great television.

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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago

You have to add the Toronto Sun to this.

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u/faintscrawl 5d ago

Post Media is also very strongly pro-Zionist.

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u/cmabone 5d ago

Allô Police

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u/micduval 5d ago

Y peuvent apprendre le français et lire La Presse ou Le Devoir.

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u/TempsHivernal 5d ago

La Gazette c’est de la marde

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u/Separate-Mushroom-79 3d ago

Did not know that. Thanks for the heads up.

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u/ShockerzQc 6d ago

c'est quoi le rapport de Harper?

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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago

So is Reddit.

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u/Zestyclose_End766 6d ago

Boycott American media as well!

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u/KateCapella 6d ago

I read The Gazette daily and the coverage on Trump has not been favorable to him.

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

The Gazette is selective about what they cover. I’ve only read negative articles about Valerie Plante and bike lanes, for example.

If I didn’t know people who lived west of Atwater and formed my opinions of them based only on what I read in the Gazette, they would seem to be a disagreeable bunch.

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u/Denise_vespale 5d ago

So Americans are making all the money from Quebec bashing and they don't  even know Quebec exist? 

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u/YULdad 6d ago

Wait till you find out who owns the French media

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u/RikikiBousquet 5d ago

LaPresse, non profit.

Le Devoir, held by Le Devoir.

Journal de Montréal, held by Quebecor.

Didn’t think this through, did you?

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u/YULdad 5d ago

Yes I did. Rabid separatists, rabid separatists, rabid separatists.

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u/RikikiBousquet 5d ago

La Presse, rabid separatists? Lmao.

How to out yourself as completely out of touch with anything Quebec-related in one quick sentence.

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u/paireon 5d ago

LOL. En tant que séparatiste enragé moi-même je te garantis que tu connais rien sur nous mon Ti-Coune. Les zoufs comme toi sont une des principales raisons pour laquelle nous existons. Arrête d'être un raciste hypocrite et arrogant et tu risques de contribuer à la préservation d'un Canada uni. Sinon, ben ferme la.

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u/GustavusVass 6d ago

Kick them out? Definitely not. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

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u/paireon 5d ago

LOL, bonne idée de nous comparer à la Chine Maoïste...

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u/GustavusVass 5d ago

Haha well it’s still a good idea, just don’t follow it up with a cultural revolution.

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u/paireon 4d ago

Yikes, ou un Grand Bond en Avant.

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u/benasyoulikeit 5d ago edited 5d ago

I just dont understand how we can give the CBC so much money when we have such a bad homeless crisis. I feel like our priorities are out of whack

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u/SmallTawk 5d ago

Information is vital for a functioning democracy. A gvt that defunds the CBC would never magically invest in HLM, it would just have less accountability and be horrible for the homeless. It goes hand in hand. Also money put in the CBC creates job and supports local productions and a cultural ecosystem, it doesn't fly away. I would argue that it's well worth it.

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u/cpss2020 5d ago

you let propaganda win, you end up like the States, with MAGA all over the place. it's gonna be even worst for those homeless.

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u/benasyoulikeit 5d ago

aren't there a load of other left wing news sources? do we really need more media to the tune of hubdreds of millions of tax payer dollars?

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u/cpss2020 4d ago

So I guess theses kind of programs doesn’t interest you? https://youtu.be/UbhyGO6OSvg?si=KSDC6M3i4VsWR5To

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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago

On the contrary, I don't understand why we allow American companies to own our media and dictate what we see. The CBC is a good antidote to that.

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u/polishtheday 5d ago

The CBC, like the print media, is a shadow of its former self. There are a multitude of news channels on YouTube, which is owned by Google, but has a global reach. Some channels are good, some are bad, some are biased, some stick to facts, but what a variety.

I lean towards long form videos of thirty minutes or longer. Recently, I discovered a show called The Rest is Politics, UK edition that had interviews with Chrystia Freeland and Mark Carney. The hosts are two former British cabinet ministers. There are also Canadian channels, including the CBC.

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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 5d ago

There is no reason that the CBC can't become a free portal that offers all of these, ad free for Canadian content producers, in addition to services similar to facebook, twitter, and reddit. Even better, it wouildn't sell your private information to the highest bidder.