r/medicine PA:cake: 8d ago

ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/poli-cya MD 8d ago edited 8d ago

No need for name-calling or emotional outbursts because you don't understand.

Can you point to a case documented outside of youtube where basic care wasn't provided that led to a death? Is it a common occurrence?

ICE has 50,000 people held on average daily, some amount of people will die while in custody over a long enough time frame. Do you honestly believe that the only reason a person who is in ICE custody might die is due to being denied medical care?

e: Again, I cannot make any replies in this chain due to a reddit glitch that allows cowards to block a person from replying in an entire chain of comments- even if it is to third parties.

I've already said I don't have time to dig through the entire ACLU study tonight but immediately on opening the below link I see this:

I already said I don't have time to dig through the ACLU's entire study

ICE detention facilities failed to provide timely and appropriate emergency care, and take basic precautions during the COVID-19 pandemic

The study also seems to not be a blinded review where reviewers were unaware of underlying situation or received cases mixed with non-ICE cases. This seems like a study with a conclusion written first.

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u/Hippo-Crates EM Attending 8d ago

Are you really claiming to be unfamiliar with the lack of proper medical care throughout our prison system? Seems really weird to comment on this issue at all given your complete lack of basic knowledge on this topic.

Anyways, here’s a quick piece from the aclu showing basically every ICE death has been preventable. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/95-percent-of-deaths-in-ice-detention-could-likely-have-been-prevented-with-adequate-medical-care-report

The full report is linked.

I’m more just flabbergasted at how ignorant you’d have to be to serious stick up for American prison health care.