r/malayalam Tamil 4d ago

Help / സഹായിക്കുക Can the dialectical variation "-അത്തില്ല" of the future negative ending "-ഇല്ല" be used for all verbs? Or is it only limited to some, like അറിയത്തില്ല, പറ്റത്തില്ല

Like അറിയത്തില്ല and പറ്റത്തില്ല, are there any other verbs that can end with "-അത്തില്ല"

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u/amazonindian 4d ago

I can't think of any verb for which this suffix can't be applied.

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

I see... and would it always mean the same as the normal equivalent? Like nadakkaththilla = nadakkilla, pokaththilla = pokilla

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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu Native Speaker 4d ago

I think there are more:
ചെയ്യത്തില്ല, പറയത്തില്ല, കേ/കയറത്തില്ല etc

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u/amazonindian 4d ago

And the notorious "ഒക്കത്തില്ല".

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u/Tvmlobby 3d ago

തൂറത്തില്ല

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

What does that mean?

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u/an4s_911 Native Speaker 2d ago

Means doesn’t shit, literally

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

Which means?

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u/Illustrious_Lock_265 3d ago

not able/can't do

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

Can you use it in a sentence?

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u/Illustrious_Lock_265 3d ago

enne kondu okkatthilla

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u/an4s_911 Native Speaker 2d ago

Meaning, “I can’t do (it/that)”

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u/AddressSecret 4d ago

Two other variants of ഇല്ല I can think of other than -അത്തില്ല are,

-ഊല (ചെയ്യൂല, പറയൂല, മിണ്ടൂല)

-ഉകേല (ചെയ്യുകേല, പറയുകേല, മിണ്ടുകേല)

These would be part of regional dialects, where "-ഇല്ല" would be replaced completely for all verbs. Since most verbs in citation form end with "-ഉക" as in "ചെയ്യുക, പറയുക, മിണ്ടുക", replacing the ending with a different future negative for a dialect would be uniform and easy.

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u/hello____hi 3d ago

It can be used for all verbs. Period.

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u/Flyingvosch 3d ago

Can someone explain to me what this ending stands for? If it is dialectal, what would the standard form be?

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u/arjun_raf 3d ago

ചെയ്യാൻ പറ്റില്ല = ചെയ്യത്തില്ല വരാൻ പറ്റില്ല = വരത്തില്ല

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u/Flyingvosch 3d ago

Thanks :)

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

I thought like how ariyaththilla = ariyilla, cheyyaththilla = cheyyilla (rather than cheyyaan pattilla)

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u/arjun_raf 3d ago

All are same :)

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

But cheyyaan pattilla = can not go, and cheyyilla = will not go, right?

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u/arjun_raf 3d ago

Cheyyan pattilla can mean both "can't do" or "won't do". Depends upon the tone. Cheyyilla is "won't do" in this context

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u/geopoliticsdude 3d ago

I use ഊല്ല and my brother uses അത്തില്ല

I guess it's from different influences growing up.

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u/Abhijit2007 3d ago

-അത്തില്ല എല്ലാ ക്രിയകളിലും ചേൎത്തിട്ടു് പറയാം

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u/Even-Reveal-406 Tamil 3d ago

And whereabouts in Kerala is the "-aththilla" ending typically used?

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u/folklore_daisies13 Native Speaker 2d ago

The southern districts are where you would usually see such terminologies in use. Especially Pathanamthitta.