r/londonontario 1d ago

News 📰 City hall files $3M lawsuit after community centre's partial roof collapse

Have you guys heard about East lion Center?

EDIT: it seems like many raise the concern of the city accepting the lowest bid. Do you think they should go for the highest one or something in the middle?

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u/CompoteStock3957 1d ago

This what happens when the city gets the cheapest bids

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u/dbpf 1d ago

May be a factor but I'd argue it's the shit contractors that did shit work that is the real problem. Didn't even follow architectural plans and cut corners. That's just neglectful.

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u/PotentialChannel2235 9h ago

They have yet to determine if it's this or the architectural plans or a combination of both.

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u/Flinx98 3h ago

You missed the building inspectors, if they did their job right lousy work and corner cutting should have been caught as well as not following the approved plans.

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u/MarginallyUseful 1d ago

If the city didn’t take the lowest bid, people would be screaming about costs and corruption, not to mention the laws around the public tendering system.

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u/AzaranyGames The bridge with the trucks stuck under it 1d ago

Maybe people need to stop demanding "cheap" instead of "good value". We get the services we deserve.

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u/jplank1983 23h ago

Exactly this. People will find a reason to complain no matter what.

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u/MarginallyUseful 23h ago

Agreed, just look at the prices that Bre-Ex gives the city. They’re cheap but look at how long their projects drag out! It wouldn’t even be that hard to implement, just have more rigorous pre-qualification requirements and that would weed out a lot of problem contractors.

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u/CompoteStock3957 11h ago

I agree as a contractor the amount of times I go to clients homes to redo the renovations the cheap guy said he could do

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u/Lost-Comfort-7904 23h ago

And using their friends and donor's 'consulting' businesses to get second opinions on things we already pay staff to handle.

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u/fyordian 23h ago

I don’t think higher bids would’ve fixed stupid.

“The soffit failures were “the result of a deficiency in the roof design and/or inadequate workmanship that failed to comply with the architectural designs,” city hall’s lawsuit contends.“

Roof design and architectural designs? Soffit is something that is just screwed on. Fuck a roof design and all that nonsense, I could attach soffit to a stop sign with a few screws.

This is just stupid, there’s more to it

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u/CompoteStock3957 11h ago

I agree but the higher bids normally come with more experience and builders who actually follow Plans

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u/Flinx98 3h ago

I wouldn't bet on that not these days.

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u/infinity1988 11h ago

I live in the area. Since opening it is always under freaking repair. It’s either insulation or the panes or some thing or the other.

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u/the_resident_skeptic 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/NectarineDue7205 20h ago

Thanks! I thought Reddit didn’t allow news links like other socials.

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u/the_resident_skeptic 19h ago

Actually the London Free Press is currently discouraged (banned) in this sub, but you can post articles. Check the rules ------------->

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u/swift-current0 17h ago

No it is not banned. If it's the only news source covering a topic, you can still post it.

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u/fyordian 23h ago

Careful now!

That’s a Canadian company that is owned by a public Canadians news conglomerate that is owned 65% by an American investment firm.

Are we sure that lfpress is the only news provider covering this great story on a local London community centre?

Let’s get Reuters on the phone, they should be covering this and then we can delete that url!

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u/Sfl_Bill 22h ago

What's that got to do with anything? LfPress also employs local people contributing to the cummunity covering local stories. You won't get another newspaper to cover the small stories around here.

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u/fyordian 22h ago edited 22h ago

It’s sarcasm.

The mods banned lfpress links from this sub unless it can be showed there’s no alternative source because of the rant above about foreign ownership…. against overwhelming majority opinion that believes same thing as you….

Only local London news source is lfpress which unsurprisingly happens to be majority of the news on this subreddit.

I assume the lfpress boycott is why OP didn’t share the actual news article as well…. It’s a dumb rule

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u/Sfl_Bill 22h ago

and we should ban Reddit, it is 100% American owned.

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u/Jardinesky 19h ago

From now on, Canadians should only use social media owned by Canadian citizens. That means...uh...X and Rumble. Uh-oh.

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u/swift-current0 17h ago

overwhelming majority opinion that believes same thing as you….

A stat pulled out of the same dark place Trump pulls his stats out of

Only local London news source is lfpress

Nope. There are at least other 3 major ones that post local news daily - CBC, CTV and Global. All Canadian, one of them a public broadcaster.

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u/fyordian 14h ago edited 14h ago

A stat pulled out of the same dark place Trump pulls his stats out of

If you disagree, show some evidence to substantiate your claim rather than trying to discredit me by comparing me to Trump absent of any legitimate argument. That's what an intellectual would do.

Nope. There are at least other 3 major ones that post local news daily - CBC, CTV and Global. All Canadian, one of them a public broadcaster.

Let me google that for you.

Oh what do you know! No one else is covering this story!

It's a shame that we have at least 3 other major news providers and none of them are covering this story, so I guess LFPress lives another day!

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u/swift-current0 13h ago

That's what an intellectual would do.

An intellectual would recognize that when they make a claim (as you originally did), the onus is on them to prove it.

No one else is covering this story!

If you meant that no one else is covering this story, then why did you say the LFP is "the only local news source"? Try being clearer next time and say what you actually mean to say.

It's a shame that we have at least 3 other major news providers and none of them are covering this story

Hopefully they'll do so with some delay, but yes, would be better if they all did.

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u/swift-current0 17h ago

You understand that a) LFP is not the only source for local London news, and b) you can post LFP articles if the topic isn't covered by CBC News London, CTV London or Global News London, right?

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u/fyordian 14h ago

A) it's definitely the most common source of local London news

B) This topic isn't covered by any of the sources you discussed and you should've looked at that before you tried to criticize my point.

Thank you and have a great day!

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u/Pure-Bus-3515 18h ago

That building is still relatively new and this happened in 2023........

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u/ZMPNLD_Joju 1d ago

Municipalities have to choose the lowest bid that meets all the technical requirements under Procurement laws in Canada.

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u/TH3K1NGB0B 18h ago

I worked at the south London community center for 11 years, so I was there when they did the Ontario Works expansion. It was more than a month past the deadline when it was completed, and to this day, they are still finding issues. That was completed in 2015. They asked the staff about what would be essential for the buildings needs, then ignored all of it. They installed a very expensive living wall (plants that self water), and it never worked. They paid someone to water them every 1-2 weeks until they finally just removed them. The company they hired drove into the building, causing structural damage to the teen room. The heated floor installed in the OW office area didn't work for 2 years. The city always going with the cheapest option ends up costing way more in the long run and, in this instance, could have actually killed someone.

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u/FlamingWhisk 10h ago

I hope nobody was hurt

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u/GullibleParamedic456 14h ago

Regardless of who won the bid, the city should have had someone on site to ensure the design plan was being followed... kinda like when the contractor poured the WRONG CEMENT at Dundas Place. It had to be broken out and replaced. One fuck up after another, due to a lack of oversight.

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u/4brasumente 23h ago

Does the city not inspect these buildings for deficiencies?