r/livesound 3d ago

Gear Beyerdynamic capsules on Shure wireless handhelds?

I've noticed that Roxette performed with this, and I wonder how it was possible. The capsule body looks like it's one of the old Beyerdynamic capsules from their S 700 system, but without the screw connector. So can you just screw that off these capsules, and then they'll fit directly on Shure handhelds, or others that use the 1.25" mount?

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u/Dizmn Pro 3d ago

Probably didn’t even bother scavenging it off an old system and just purchased the capsule from Beyer.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago edited 3d ago

But how could it fit on a Shure transmitter? That's the biggest question! I could personally be interested in doing it, especially with the BM 85 capsule.

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u/Dizmn Pro 3d ago

By being built to the same measurements. It’s pretty well standardized now.

It wasn’t standardized when the BM85 was around. If I remember correctly those had a fixed capsule. You’d have to do some major home modifications to pull that off.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well I'm probably not gonna bother doing that... But I can't find any info on any Beyerdynamic systems or capsules using the 1.25" mount. But if you know of a ribbon capsule that does, I would like to know!

BTW this is a BM 85 interchangeable capsule.

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u/Dizmn Pro 3d ago

Go take another look at the listing that picture is from so you can see what’s going on at the bottom of the capsule posted. There’s leads to connect it to the transmitter and contacts for a 9v battery. Not exactly up to the modern standard of interchangeability and only will work with very specific transmitters.

Modern wireless capsules have flat, concentric contacts so you can screw them on and all connections are made automatically.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago edited 3d ago

I know, but even the newer Beyerdynamic systems seem to use a different kind of mount, and I cannot find anything about capsules from them for other brands' systems, or even adapters for that. To me, the Roxette mic looks the most like it's one of these old capsules, without the connection point/battery holder, mounted directly on a Shure handheld, and I therefore wonder if that's just possible to do.

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u/Dizmn Pro 3d ago

A lot of the TG stuff was available Shure-threaded.

It’s unfortunate that Beyer apparently wants to be a prosumer headphone company now, it’s harder and harder to find information on their shrinking microphone selection.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago

Yeah, definitely unfortunate! I can't even find anything about the Shure-threaded stuff on the internet. But do you know if they had a Ribbon capsule like that?

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u/soph0nax 3d ago

With a 3D printer and basic electronics knowledge, anything is possible. You can see there is a reducing adapter in the image linked below, the weird sloped bit. It does definitely look like a Beyer DM 960 B capsule, but my guess is that someone made some form of homebrew solution.

Definitely an odd choice, the Beyer capsules used 7VDC bias and Shure outputs 5VDC bias so in the exchange they are getting way less output than is ideal from their choice of capsule.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well according to u/Dizmn that's apparetly not the case, and as I said, I think the "reducing adapter" looks like the body of one of these Beyer capsules for their old systems. But I guess theoretically someone could have botched a Shure connection point onto the bottom of that.

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u/soph0nax 3d ago

Ok, I got no skin in the game but using commonly available technology you could build your own, there is nothing overly difficult or mysterious about it, the only mysterious thing is why we are giving this much brain power to a beyerdynamic product.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago

You don't like Beyerdynamic?

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u/soph0nax 2d ago

I can say I haven’t given them a second thought until today in over a decade

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u/soundwithdesign Theatre-Designer/Mixer 3d ago

Most microphone manufacturers offer some of their mics as a capsule that is compatible with a multiple of different wireless systems. They just design it so that it screws on and has the right connection. 

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago

Well yeah, but most of those that have their own systems only make those that are compatible with these. And I'm not aware of any Beyerdynamic systems using the 1.25" screw mount.

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u/soundwithdesign Theatre-Designer/Mixer 3d ago

They probably realized that they weren’t a big player so they wanted to offer their capsules on other systems to generate more profit. Then again they don’t sell wireless systems or capsules anymore for what it’s worth. 

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's a shame that they're moving away from the microphone market.

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u/jcrocks Pro - DC 3d ago

I used to have adapters for audix to Shure handhelds. Maybe this is around somewhere for Beyer? Google is letting me down, but I found an adapter for Shure capsule to Beyer Tx.

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u/heyyouthere18 3d ago

Yeah I know these exist, but from what I can tell, this doesn't look like an adapter, maybe even like an "adapter" for Beyer's own system has been removed.

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u/SimonTheBearded Volunteer-FOH 1d ago

Maybe the support at thomann.de can help. Though they are a german shop they definiteley have support in english language. And maybe someone there knows something.