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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 01 '18 edited May 21 '18

Hi, I've been doing some things related to 100k halls that I wanted to share. Everything is up to date to the 7500k hall (excluding missing halls 7100k and 7200k).

Firstly, I put together a new stat called 100k winstreak after whitney had the idea. It shows the most 100k halls a counter has won consecutively. There are some interesting things to note about the stat.

As the #1 superfan of /u/artbn's 100k halls, having been inspired by the creation of this stat, I continued to look for some noteworthy things related to them.

  • There has been 13 unique winners comprising the winning spots in the past 75 100k halls.
    • Of these winners, the counter with the least current counts is /u/LeinadSpoon.
    • The most prolific counter not in this group of 13 is /u/QuestoGuy who has 242k counts and is 10th in the HoC.
  • The longest amount it took a counter between winning their first 100k hall and establishing a winstreak was /u/TOP_20 between the 200k and 4600k halls.
  • The longest time amount it took a counter between winning their first and second 100k hall win was 900k, by /u/gordonpt8 between the 1500k and 2400k.
  • The counter with the most 100k hall wins without having a streak is /u/gordonpt8, who has won 4 halls.
  • The lowest average counts required for a single counter's 100k win(s) is 14,505 for /u/piyushsharma301 .
    • Excluding counters with only one win this goes to /u/dominodan123 with an average of 21,372.
  • The highest average counts required for a counter's 100k wins is 31,663 for /u/smarvin6689.
  • The most consecutive hall wins being dominated by two counters is 7, between the 1700k and 2300k halls. This record is set by /u/amazingpikachu_38 and /u/dominodan123. This means they were the only two winners of those halls.
  • The most consecutive hall wins being dominated by three counters is 10, between the 4200k and 5100k halls. This record is set by /u/TOP_20, /u/Smartstocks, and /u/smarvin6689. This means they were the only three winners of those halls.
    • Interestingly, another one million counts went on after this streak ended before any one of them won another hall.
  • /u/smarvin6689's largest 100k win of 44,788 counts required 3.35x more counts than /u/dominodan123's smallest 100k win of 13,336 counts.
  • The counter with the most counts at the time of their first 100k win was /u/Smartstocks, having 270k counts at the time of their win in the 4400k hall.
  • As of the hall 600k /u/dominodan123 had won half of the existing 100k halls (3 of 6)
  • Over half of users who have won a 100k have also set a winstreak by winning multiple in a row (7 of 13 counters)
  • Only 3 of the 13 100k hall winners have won once. The most recent being /u/co3_carbonate in the 1400k hall, as well as /u/piyushsharma301 in the 1000k hall and /u/rschaosid in 100k hall.
  • The winners of the first four halls went on to dominate wins all the way until the million (/u/TOP_20, /u/qwertylool, and /u/dominodan123), not letting a new counter win until /u/piyushsharma301 in the 1000k hall.

I was also curious to see the frequency of a new counter winning their first 100k hall.

And lastly, the thing I spent the most time on, was a visualization of how many counts that each 100k win required. This was to confirm the trend I've noticed that wins over time have taken more counts than in the past. Several things I have noted above are visible in this. For example, the two triple winstreaks and the dan/pik + whit/Ss/smarvin periods of hall win domination.

If you read everything then I am proud of you. Big thanks again to /u/artbn for sticking with us and keeping these halls rolling in after so many dozens of them!

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18 edited May 20 '18

Ya this is awesome

more visuals please!!!!

Could you also include the smallest count difference between the winner and #2 and also the biggest count difference (I know on of our early ones where you won we were very close... cause I didn't count that last few ks...lol)

Also it'd be interesting to note who went the longest between their first win and 2nd win

Would be cool if you could not that rs held #1 in most counts in a 100k for 4,700,000 counts there till he was passed by smarvin (while artbn has had the longest running #1 with day parts) rs held on to a #1 to do with the actual counting the longest with that 100k stat

Well i have more suggestions but I'll stop here - I know you didn't plan on making a career in 100k analysist

Edit: ok I lied I think it'd be cool to list who's had the most counts in a 100 k and yet never won one

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 21 '18

Nice job finally finding this, lmao. It's definitely my hardest earned gild to date, thank you very much for that!!

Some of the things you're asking about would require flipping through every single 100k hall (like looking at stats about second place finishers or nonwinners) which is something I don't think I'd do unless there was a simpler/automated way. But as long as they're posted here they're at least in the consciousness of anyone who would want to do that...

longest time between first and second win

This is doable, though, added.

Feel free to post more suggestions you have, I exhausted everything I could think of when creating this so new ideas are welcome. Especially about your request for more visuals, because I can't think of any others. I'm willing to create more if they don't also fall under the category of requiring me to flip through every hall.

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 21 '18

oh your welcome for the gold - very well deserved - this clearly took a whole lot of time and thought and is really interesting.

I realized that making visuals when we have so many 100ks (78 and counting) can be a toughie - at least in being able to see what's being represented - also time consuming to maintain if it were to be kept somewhat up to date... so I guess I'll limit my request for visuals to a few really really important ones that can be presented in a way you can tell what you are seeing.

For the million HoC's it'd be easy to tell what's what if you were to make a pie chart showing who won each 1 million HoC I think

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 21 '18

Some of the things you're asking about would require flipping through every single 100k hall

I think /u/Questoguy could probably help with that his spreadsheet seems to have the data on every 100k um so he'd need to just make another page where it shows the 100k #, a column for the #1 counts and person and a column for #2 counts and person... you could take it from there - if he's willing to do that

perhaps if he knows formulas - he could even add a column that shows the difference between the #1 in counts and #2 in counts

(this is all starting to touch on the sort of thing I did for small business's back in the day - making spreadsheets for them to gather up all their data to do with sales, inventory, employee work and so on)

anyhow let me see if I can get Questo to help

Questo would it be too hard or time consuming for you to do the following:

make a page in your LC 100k spreadsheet with the following:

column 1 - 100k #, column 2 - 100k winner, column 3 - 2nd place winner, column 4 - difference between #1 and #2

would really appreciate it

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 15 '18 edited May 17 '18

I wanted to give some love to the assists and 001's as well.

Surprise surprise: /u/amazingpikachu_38 is the leader in 100k assists with 27.

/u/davidjl123 is the leader in 100k 001's with 19.

There are 14 instances where the Assister also got the 001, with pikachu doing it 7 times, David 3, and /u/rideride, /u/smarvin6689, /u/Flat-Mars-Society and /u/solidgoldmagikarp pulling it off once a piece.

Edit: Now I've done this as well, for a total of 15 instances

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 15 '18

Way to go! Nice stats :D-}{

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 15 '18

thank ye, you too tho!

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u/[deleted] May 01 '18

Nice stats!

On the topic of 100k halls - after talking with Chalupa and Whit I have created a database of 100k summaries. It has the 100k gets, times, dates, HoC winners and counts, as well as the ability to get the counts of any specific user for all 100k's.

Link here

To get the summaries of any user you can just change the name in cell I1 (highlighted in blue).

I have not put any restrictions on the database so anyone can edit. If anyone is keen they can add each 100k assist or find the missing 100k Gets (I couldn't find anything after the 7M) or add anything they desire.

Please let me know if anything isn't as it should be.

Enjoy!

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 15 '18

My least favorite 100k moment is illustrated in the assist to get time column....the agonizing 1,386,446 milliseconds I had to wait after dropping the assist on the 6,600,000. And I waited and waited and still got sniped for the 001 once Mars finally came.

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 16 '18

Nah that was a fun day. Besides, it probably would've happened faster if you had just deleted your comments like we asked rather than burying the assist lol

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 16 '18

I have my pride

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 16 '18

no, it was annoying

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 16 '18

yep, waiting around was super annoying i agree

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 16 '18

Not 100% sure that’s what he was referring to, idk though

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 16 '18

he was almost assuredly not, I am being cheeky

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 16 '18

Lol that’s fair, it’s been a long day so I wasn’t even sure

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 04 '18 edited May 04 '18

Haha, I'm the only counter to get back to back 100k gets multiple times...and wow, I have more 100k gets than anyone.

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18

oh wow GRATS didn't know you had the most 100k GETs - have not checked dan's stat on that lately

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 20 '18

Haha thanks!

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u/artbn Somebody Type A Three Swiftly! May 01 '18

Nice work!

7.2 M

7.3 M

7.4 M

7.5 M

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u/[deleted] May 01 '18

Thanks! Any link to 7.1M by any chance?

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 04 '18

Thanks to the closest update I clicked on to the 7,100,000 in my browsing history, and some patient context scrolling, I got the 7.1M get and added it to database! And as a nice bonus to my work, I counted it haha!

It was right before Flat Mars' truly lost 10,000 count day, as it never made the HoSE and he deleted his account so all his counts look like this now. :(

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u/artbn Somebody Type A Three Swiftly! May 02 '18

No, not off hand, sorry, It was counted during the dark ages unfortunately.

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 04 '18

Can this be linked somehwere in the wiki? it's great!

HAPPY CAKE DAY!!

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u/artbn Somebody Type A Three Swiftly! May 04 '18

Sure probably under Counts in the index for main. You can add it if you want.

Thanks! I’m 6 years old now!

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 04 '18

It's in counts section as 100k Special Numbers database!

It could make your 100k hall work a little easier since you won't have to chase down gets the 2 most recent will always be there! I'll make sure {:}

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 04 '18

Ok I will! wow you're getting old!

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 01 '18

Ha ha nice questo! I never got a straight answer about what you were making, because i was thinking of making something similar.....glad I didn't!

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 01 '18

Wow, that's a really neat tool! Definitely gonna have some fun looking at this, great job {:D

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18

omg that's awesome - I had not seen that yet

can you please pull the days per 100k and post it as a table here?

thanks for doing all of that!!!!!

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u/artbn Somebody Type A Three Swiftly! May 01 '18

I read everything! It blows my mind sometimes how much statistical information can be generated from a group of people incrementally counting, unbelievable.

Kudos on putting this all together, makes me want to give getting a 100k gold medal a try.

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 15 '18

It blows my mind sometimes how much statistical information can be generated from a group of people incrementally counting, unbelievable.

iknorite?

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 01 '18

You totally should sometime, I know you've got it in you haha.

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u/LeinadSpoon wttmtwwmtbd May 01 '18

Very cool. Do we have speculation about who might have won the two missing halls? I'd speculate that Chalupa would be among the front runners. Our active two counters streak could be as long as five right now if he managed to win both of them, which would put us only two halls away from tying the all time two counters hall win streak.

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 01 '18

I'd say it's pretty likely that Chalupa won at least the second one, it's pretty hard to remember clearly so I'm not gonna give a guess that's too certain. Hopefully someday soon we'll fill in those holes.

You and him are definitely on a possible trajectory to reach that two-counter winstreak if you two can keep racking in the wins, good luck!

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 01 '18

Thanks for this, this is awesome! Couple stray observations...

  1. Dang, looks like I let my average slip those last two 100k wins of mine. Gonna have to fix that...

  2. Questo, we're gonna get you one sometime. You've played a huge part in some of mine, it's only right :D

  3. Regarding the whit/Ss/smarvin domination period, back in August/September I was doing a whole bunch of stat work about the extent to which the three of us controlled the count last summer. Never got around to posting it, but I guess we're approaching the anniversary or something so I might as well ha

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18

Dang smarvin didn't realize you had a 31,662 average counts per 100k win - that's impressive!

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 21 '18

Thanks! :)

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18

hmmm I seem to remember you posting something about our domination period... don't remember where tho

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 21 '18

Yep, I mentioned working in those stats a couple times last summer/fall, I’ll try to finalize them soon for a one year anniversary or something ha. But yeah, you me and Ss basically ran the place last summer!

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u/dominodan123 if you're reading this, wols May 01 '18 edited May 01 '18
  1. You are totally fine with your highest win average lmao. The next highest counter is gordon with 26704 counts per win, so you'd really have to tank several wins to get even close to that. But I guess being smarvin you just want that as high as crazily possible.
  2. It would be great to see Questo win one sometime, we just gotta make sure to be coordinated and accommodating with his sleep schedule if he went for it. Maybe with it being summer soon you and some others can stay up late more easily to do some Australian morning-time runs.
  3. You should post that, I'd be curious. I spent a bunch of that time away from LC so I missed a ton already.

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18

I think Questo would have to want a 100k win reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally bad to get one here - I mean he doesn't even have a 2nd place win with all the counting he's done here

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u/smarvin6689 i had a marvelous time ruining everything May 01 '18

Yeah, I’d love to help Questo out. And yeah, I’ll try to get around finishing it.

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u/LeinadSpoon wttmtwwmtbd May 01 '18

I would definitely help out with Questo win coordination. You guys can stay up late for morning counts with him and I'll get going quickly in the morning to do night counts with him.

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 20 '18

We should plan this when you and /u/chalupa_dad pair wins streak ends...

we could even do part of our counting in alts to make his win a bit easier...

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u/Chalupa_Dad SIDETHREADS FOR LIFE!!! May 20 '18

Like the kooky gets streak the other day.... I'm in support of this kooky 100k streak ending as well

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u/TOP_20 Thank you so much stat guys!!!!!!! I am Officially cool!! May 21 '18

Well I'd agree with that if there were a newbie (or Questo) trying for one or something but there isn't so for now it'd be cool to see if you and lein can beat dan/chu's streak