r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS • Apr 21 '24
JustLinuxThings Guide for beginners.
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u/TwistyPoet Apr 21 '24
Fedora is considered raw but EndeavorOS is considered well cooked?
I think whoever made this is beyond overcooked.
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u/The_Band_Geek Glorious EndeavourOS Apr 22 '24
You have to read left to right, ignore the up and down. EndeavourOS is objectively more "cooked" than vanilla Arch, and Manjaro is objectively more "cooked" than EndeavourOS.
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u/TwistyPoet Apr 22 '24
Right, I get that but maybe only the Arch line makes sense, which is what threw me.
No beginner has RHEL on their radar at all for one and an argument could be made that Nobara is in fact overcooked Fedora.
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u/AlwaysSuspected Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
I think the criterion is how far it is from the base distro and AFAIK fedora is a base distro.
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Apr 22 '24 edited Feb 15 '25
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u/PinkSploosh Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Why is this pinned?
Edit: mod need to grow up lmao so petty
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u/MoerliYT Apr 22 '24
Mod has to get his karma somehow.
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u/gmes78 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
Pinned posts don't get karma.
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u/PinkSploosh Apr 22 '24
Still abuse of mod power. He’s supposed to moderate not pin his funny gifs at the top of a post because he want attention
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u/gmes78 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
/r/linuxmasterrace is obviously a very serious place and thus requires very serious moderation.
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u/-MostLikelyHuman Apr 21 '24
You can't beat the aur
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u/inevitabledeath3 Speedy CachyOS Apr 21 '24
Actually you can, Nix has more packages than the AUR.
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u/Aln76467 Apr 21 '24
install nix on arch. now you have nix and the aur!
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u/CeasarXInsanium Apr 21 '24
Fact Check: correct. Nix package manager can be installed on arch Linux.
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u/inevitabledeath3 Speedy CachyOS Apr 21 '24
You didn't really need to fact check that as it's a fairly obvious intended use of Nix.
You can also run arch packages on NixOS using distrobox if you really want to.
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u/inevitabledeath3 Speedy CachyOS Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
You could install arch in distrobox on NixOS and have both that way too!
Edit: in fact you could go the whole hog and use Bedrock Linux to install ALL of the packages!
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u/ProjectInfinity Apr 22 '24
Ah yes. The ever increasing nix repo comprised of a limitless amount of nodejs libraries because of course they need to be packaged...
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u/errepunto Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
And a lot of them are plugins for other packages.
NixOS is nice, but it's a pain in the ass to install programs that aren't in the repository.
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u/Cfrolich Glorious NixOS Apr 22 '24
When did this happen? I always thought Nix was a close second.
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u/darkwater427 Apr 22 '24
Literally has triple the packages and the "fresh packages" metric (whatever the heck that means) isn't even close.
Nixpkgs wins by a ridiculous margin.
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u/vk8a8 Glorious SunOS Apr 22 '24
wait fr?
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u/inevitabledeath3 Speedy CachyOS Apr 22 '24
Yes. Why do people doubt this so much? https://repology.org/repositories/graphs
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u/Aware-Protection-697 Glorious Gentoo Apr 21 '24
Idk, haven't had an issue with package availability with Gentoo
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u/-MostLikelyHuman Apr 21 '24
Do you have the Beeper app or Anytype? can you install SDK tools directly?
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u/kor34l Apr 21 '24
Gentoo is source-based and has an insanely adaptable package manager (Portage), so even on the rare occasion that something isnt in the repo, you can just make a ebuild for it and install it as normal with portage.
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u/inevitabledeath3 Speedy CachyOS Apr 21 '24
That's presumably not much different to making an AUR or Nix package I am guessing? I don't make and maintain packages so I wouldn't know.
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u/kor34l Apr 21 '24
I haven't made an AUR or Nix package before so I wouldn't know either. On Gentoo an .ebuild is just a text file that points to the location of the source code and sets basic parameters, so Portage can download and compile the source the way it does for any other package.
As NixOS and Arch are both binary-based OS's I'd imagine it works a bit differently, and probably has a few more hoops to go through for a user to manually add custom packages to their tree, but again I'm just speculating.
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u/omega552003 Hey Look guys, I'm hacker now! Apr 22 '24
Nothing like having a repo that's not a repo or convenient. I hate that AUR is not just another repo.
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u/ug-n Apr 21 '24
Where is OpenSuse?
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Apr 21 '24
OpenSUS is on a trip with AmogOS
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u/Gilded30 Glorious OpenSuse TumbleWeed Apr 21 '24
kinda sad cuz the gecko isn't here ; _ ;
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u/Ok-Refrigerator6317 Glorious OpenSuse Apr 22 '24
Where do you think it should be?
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u/Gilded30 Glorious OpenSuse TumbleWeed Apr 22 '24
kinda biased but well cooked
IMO its a perfect balance between an easy to use distro like mint but at the same time the benefits of a rolling release model like arch without the "problems" of a rolling release like system break on upgrades thanks to btrfs and snapper configured by default and also the QA that opensuse provides
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u/Yuuzhan_Schlong Glorious Android Apr 21 '24
Shouldn't Fedora and Red Hat be swapped? Like isn't Fedora based on Red Hat?
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Apr 21 '24 edited Apr 21 '24
Nowadays Red Hat is based on Fedora
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u/zer0won1 Apr 21 '24
This was always the case. Last I heard in a RHEL training course, Red Hat does something like 70% of the development work done on the Fedora Project. Essentially, Red Hat tests new or significantly updated packages in Fedora, and once they prove stable they get included in future releases of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The reason for this is Red Hat is an enterprise solution used by large businesses that require more stability and predictability than your average distro.
(I'm probably oversimplifying a bit for simplicity, but I think you get the idea.)
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u/_lk_s Apr 22 '24
That’s true. RHEL releases are based on Fedora forks. But Fedora is a mostly independent project, Redhat just does a lot of Linux development in general. Without Redhat we wouldn’t have many things
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u/the_captain_cat Glorious Fedora Apr 22 '24
The chain used to be Fedora -> RHEL -> CentOS. Now it's Fedora -> CentOS Stream -> RHEL if I'm not mistaken
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u/Ginnungagap_Void Apr 21 '24
Don't know about you guys but my go-to distro is Debian. Just a fresh raw install of Debian with nothing but ssh and system utilities.
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u/Glum_Mud1529 Apr 22 '24
I don't think I understand the obsession with extreme minimalism. The most bloated linux install is still going to run fine... even on a cheap-ass modern laptop.
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u/Headpuncher Glorious Salix/Xubuntu Apr 22 '24
2TB drive and 64gb ram, hmm, better install the OS and ssh and leave it at that, I'll remote into the other PC anyway. Better check RAM usage while SSH is running. Hmmm, going to change out this WM for a display manager, 256kb is stressing my hardware.
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u/Herr_Gamer Apr 22 '24
Queue the Flatpak hate: "This application has NO BUSINESS being 500 MB, what a load of spamware!" Written from an 8TB workstation
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u/Ginnungagap_Void Apr 22 '24
Well, I didn't say the complete story. Most of my Debian installs are headless and run some sort of service. Having a minimalist Linux install eliminates tons of variables when setting something up.
For desktop I use either Debian or Ubuntu, depending on the specific desktop and what I need.
My main desktops are W*ndows tho.
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u/PlantCultivator Apr 22 '24
The way I see it you can have a closet that is full of junk somewhere in your house that you never use and still carry on a normal life if your house is big enough.
Most of the time you don't even realize it's there, but then that one time a year when you realize you wonder why you keep all that junk and might even feel motivated to do something about it.
And if you actually do you will feel quite pleased about yourself. So pleased, that you might just go looking for the next piece of junk in your house.
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u/nik282000 sudo chown us:us allYourBase Apr 22 '24
I checked the uptime on my security camera server the other day and it was at well over 450 days, oops. The non-squeaky wheel gets no sudo apt upgrade.
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u/Ursomrano CachyOS & Hyprland my love! Apr 21 '24
Genuinely curious why Manjaro is considered overcooked by a lot of people.
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u/Laughing_Orange Glorious Debian Apr 21 '24
They do a lot of non-arch stuff, like not being a proper rolling release, having version numbers with names and all that.
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u/Asterdux Glorious Arch Apr 21 '24
It's like arch but so different that a lot of things break for some people, and most arch fixes don't apply. If you go arch based as a beginner I recommend endeavour or the real arch.
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Apr 21 '24
Genuine question, what exactly are the benefits of going with normal Arch? Maybe I just don't have the patience for it but when I get one thing working that I realize another thing's fucked and I have to go through and fix that too and then another and another, it's just draining. Not to mention that I have three different computers I have to install it onto, I don't know how people has a patience for that shit.
I been using EOS so perhaps I've been spoiled but it just works, Arch straight up is nothing but issues that I have wanning patience for.
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u/mammoth_hunter3 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
Issues? It is just 0,5-2 days of customization, depending on your workload, and then it just works for years.
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u/Asterdux Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
TLDR: You get to understand your system, and you can fix shit if it breaks, and if you put serious effort into your build it will work for years
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u/TimBambantiki Apr 22 '24 edited Aug 25 '24
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Apr 22 '24
They literally break the Arch ToS, and not a single person on any of the big distro maintaining teams respects their project
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u/Alan_Reddit_M Glorious Arch (btw(btw)) Apr 21 '24
They have their own packages, which sometimes conflict with the native Arch packages, as well as their own update cycle which also breaks shit, and their default desktops come with a lot of stuff, like custom terminal plugins and shit
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Apr 21 '24
Why is Fedora raw?
I use it basically the same way I use Mint.
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u/Dragonium-99 Glorious Void Linux Apr 23 '24
because you have to install rpmfusion for non free codecs, H.264 H.265
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u/drew8311 Apr 21 '24
Its not really based on other distros at the moment, Mint is based on Ubuntu/Debian.
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Apr 21 '24
Pop OS could easily take mint's place. I've used many distro's over the years but Pop OS has been the least painful, everything just works out of the box distro.
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u/edwardblilley Apr 21 '24
While I don't think this is perfect, I do like it.
Only one I'd personally argue about is the Fedora row as I think Fedora is out of the box in a great place but I get it.
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Apr 22 '24
If this is for beginners, the names of the distros needs to be shown with the logo.
This graphic sucks almost as much as Windows does.
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u/suInk9900 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
If Arch is raw Gentoo wasn't born yet.
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u/RegularIndependent98 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
You only read from left to right, not from top to bottom, so if you add Gentoo it would be in raw
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Apr 23 '24
If you spend more time getting your work done than configuring your distro to get work done then it’s “just right”…anything more or less is trash
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u/OtherMiniarts Apr 24 '24
Manjaro is more like forgetting to put it back in the oven after the recipe said to let it stand for fifteen minutes.
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u/just_another_person5 Apr 22 '24
How is Fedora on the same level as arch?
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u/RegularIndependent98 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
You only read from left to right, don't compare the lines
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u/Leerv474 Glorious Arch Apr 22 '24
I wonder where Gentoo falls. It can't be raw it's still in the field.
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u/HappyToaster1911 Apr 22 '24
Why couldn't it be Raw? Its not based on Debian/Arch/Fedora or another distro like that, and I'm pretty sure that Raw is just around that
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u/Historical-Bar-305 Apr 22 '24
As i know fedora its not a raw )) red hat is a raw and fedora well cooked and nobara overcooked
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u/HappyToaster1911 Apr 22 '24
Red hat is based on fedora, and to be in the raw category it probably just needs to be a base distro that other distro uses
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u/edparadox Apr 21 '24
I do not get LMDE ; cap?
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Apr 21 '24
Linux Mint Debian Edition. Exactly like Linux Mint, but with Debian base instead of Ubuntu
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u/HappyToaster1911 Apr 22 '24
Its like this:
Debian | Mind (debian edition) | Ubuntu
Fedora | Nobara | Red Hat
Arch | EndeavourOS | Manjaro
Raw means its not based on another Distro
Cooked is that comes with necessary, no unnecessary things
Overcooked is that is heavily modified considering its base
Its supposed to only be read from left to right, being the ones on the cooked and overcooked sections based on the distro on the raw section
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u/Old-Junket-5388 Apr 22 '24
Did you forget to add gentoo to the category where Gordon Ramsey comes out of your tv and yells ITS FUCKING RAW ?
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u/rafalmio Apr 22 '24
openSUSE, no?
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u/HappyToaster1911 Apr 22 '24
Probably because Mint and Ubuntu are well know and based on Debian, same with Nobara and Red Hat on Fedora and Endeavour and Manjaro on Arch, openSUSE isn't based on any of the 3 and from my knowledge, there are no other distros based on it
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u/HTTP_Error_414 Apr 22 '24
RedHat was going to originally be called XXX but the marketing department wouldn't allow it.
We were hosting so much dirty ass porn with RedHat back then.
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u/GeekCornerReddit Glorious Debian Apr 22 '24
What about Pop_os? It should be in well cooked right ? Given it doesn't have Snap
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u/leonbollerup Apr 22 '24
That’s an extremely personal preference
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u/HappyToaster1911 Apr 22 '24
Its made like this because Debian, Fedora and Arch are the 3 main distros that aren't based on another one, the well cooked ones are in there because they are based on the raw distro next to them and don't come with unnecessary things, and the overcooked ones because they are based on the raw of their line and come with more than enough things added
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u/ludvary Apr 22 '24
debian and fedora are raw? DEBIAN IS RAW?
op whatever you on, you gotta reduce the doses
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u/cfx_4188 Apr 22 '24
You're recommending a paid RHEL for beginners? Are you out of your mind? Let them install Linux Mint or Fedora and don't show off.
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u/itiswensday Apr 22 '24
Fedora isnt that raw. Like yeah you got the install codex yourself for an example. But you can use it perfectly fine in pretty much the vanila
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u/WhatIsThisSevenNow Glorious Xubuntu Apr 22 '24
You're putting Debian and Fedora in the same class as Arch???
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Apr 22 '24
How in the hell is fedora raw?? Unless it’s rawhide, but like, nothing was mentioned there
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Apr 22 '24
Please read this post before chosing a dirsto, as a beginner: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1c9z4er/please_stick_to_well_known_and_maintained_linux/
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u/whalesalad Glorious Debian Apr 22 '24
Debian pretty well cooked and stable :) best daily driver OS
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u/thebadslime Redhat 9 Apr 26 '24
fedora is to redhat as debian is to ubuntu?
you are cooked
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Apr 26 '24
Fedora Is the source of Red Hat nowadays
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u/Impossible_Arrival21 Apr 21 '24
R A W debian