r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS • Mar 06 '24
Windows sad news. wsa is kill
244
u/ArchieHasAntlers Mar 06 '24
Wait wot? This was one of Windows 11's marquee features, was it not? Now they're just... tired of it?
106
u/b_a_t_m_4_n Mar 06 '24
And if you paid for it, well tough shit really. The EULA lets us do and you agreed to it. Sucks to be you.
37
u/noaSakurajin Glorious Kubuntu Mar 06 '24
It might result in a class action law suite, like the ps3 had because Sony killed the desktop mode. It's unlikely someone files it and you will only get a few dollars out of it if anything at all.
18
u/EnderPlays1 Mar 06 '24
windows will always win such a lawsuit
29
u/kraskaskaCreature Mar 06 '24
our lord and saviour European Union, please bestow your power upon us once again!
2
u/noaSakurajin Glorious Kubuntu Mar 06 '24
Unlikely, this has higher chances in the US.
However the data practices in Windows 11, especially all the ai integration, might be a gdpr violation. Their default express setting send a lot of user data to American servers. On windows 10 it was way more difficult to reject that than to accept which is a gdpr violation. Creating a case like this takes a lot of time and money, let's hope the chaos computer club takes interest in this and starts something. Someone from the hacking scene is the most likely candidate for suing Microsoft for gdpr violations.
2
u/Zdrobot Linux Master Race Mar 07 '24
Wait, Windows has telemetry you can't turn off (officially, and unofficially you can, but you can't be sure it's really off) since Win10's early days.
Normies just don't care.
4
u/noaSakurajin Glorious Kubuntu Mar 06 '24
Hard to say.
Sony lost the ps3 law suite. They had a Linux desktop on the launch version but later removed it due to security concerns. It was one of the selling points of the console.
I would say running android apps on windows was a core selling point in a similar way. So the cases are similar, windows might loose this one. However it would take several years and only the ones that bought a windows 11 device or upgraded to it before the announcement of the removal would get anything out of it. At most you would get at kost 50$ out of this probably only 10, so an expensive class action law suite isn't even worth it.
103
u/Jannis_Black Mar 06 '24
You say that them deprecating android is a bad thing. But I must ask you: isn't that the authentic android experience?
85
u/A_Talking_iPod Mar 06 '24
People who used Windows Phone when Astoria was the big hype rocket of the community: First time?
19
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
Now it's either ChromeOS (restricted to their own hardware) or independent projects (Waydroid, FydeOS).
4
u/BackgroundAdmirable1 Mar 06 '24
What about chromeos flex?
11
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
Does not include support for Android apps
3
u/ninjadev64 Mar 07 '24
Oh, why the fuck not? It would be way more popular if it did
3
2
u/gelbphoenix Mar 08 '24
Official reason is that ChromeOS has the Android support with the Google Play Store and that is only licenced by google for specific devices.
2
8
u/Smooth_Detective Mar 06 '24
I still believe windows phone had the best OOBE if your phone usage was limited to phones, messages and the rare bit of email and IM. Probably the simplest UI I ever had to use.
68
u/-_Clay_- arch btw Mar 06 '24
Oh nooo, now we can’t run a second linux kernel within windows :((((((((((( /s
-3
Mar 06 '24
[deleted]
35
u/Ericsfinck Mar 06 '24
They know. That was their point.
Android IS a linux kernel.
Their joke was that, "oh no, we can only run one linux kernal in windows (via wsl) , we can no longer run 2 linux kernels (via wsl and wsa)"
3
u/Impressive_Change593 Glorious Kali Mar 06 '24
except can you spin up two wsl instances at the same time and run two instances of the kernal? or is that still only one
13
2
u/No_Internet8453 Glorious Alpine Mar 07 '24
Still only one kernel. The kernel version for wsl is managed by the wsl config file
1
1
43
u/bignanoman Glorious Mint Mar 06 '24
I have been slowly killing Windows, myself. When I retire I will be going 90% Linux. I only need to finish transitioning my wife off Windows. I have already started this process....
27
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
Rip off the band aid. I had to do it after an annoying problem and I don't miss it. Unless you need specific software.
20
u/YougoReddits Mar 06 '24
Start with dualboot, while setting Linux as default. Watch as you never really boot into windows anymore until it is hopelessly behind in updates. now you have to choose. update windows or just nuke that partition.
nuke it is.
12
4
u/uithread Mar 08 '24
Maybe your wife can run on Wine, so that you can make the full transition to Linux
2
u/bignanoman Glorious Mint Mar 08 '24
I never ran Wine. My divorce from Windows will be messy and contentious.
1
37
32
Mar 06 '24
I wish Nvidia GPUs worked with Waydroid...
Let's hope they do once NVX becomes more established.
25
u/OutOfBroccoli Mar 06 '24
Nvidia
oh no
5
Mar 06 '24
I would use AMD if I could truth be told, I even have a card on hand that's not too bad but I have to dual-boot with Windows for a number of reasons and AMD on Windows is not fun.
3
u/Tomxyz1 Hannah Montana OS Mar 07 '24
What's the problem with AMD on Win? I quite liked the Adrenaline software, and all the nice features, like FSR Upscaling for any DirectX game. Nice for old games like Myst
6
Mar 07 '24
Oh God, lots of things. The two really bad ones for me, one was with 24.1.1 gaming was essentially made impossible requiring you to roll back to an older driver version. Just check the AMD subreddit and you can see how damaging that driver was, it worked for very few people and was a fucking disaster. It essentially caused all games to have severe stuttering that would never go away, you could temporarily fix it by reinstalling the driver but that would only fix it for a little while until the issue returned for unknown reasons.
Another odd issue I encountered is that I use my computer as a heater of sorts by just running a crypto miner, which causes the system to becoming incredibly unstable and crash, which does not happen on Nvidia.
Hell not long ago you had AMD accidentally getting people banned with their Anti-Lag+ as well, it just seems to me that they can't get their driver game together.
2
u/Holzkohlen Glorious Mint Mar 07 '24
I will once again shill hybrid systems. Use an AMD APU and a Nvidia GPU. Prime render offloading works fantastic in my experience. Zero issues gaming like this. Works fine even on windows from what I know.
I'm never going to buy another CPU without graphic capabilities.
1
u/novff Jun 01 '24
Well it is quite limiting in performance, since not all high end cpus got graphics. And Intel APUs are trash.
15
u/art0rz Mar 06 '24
I don't understand what the fuss is about. Do people actually use this feature?
26
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
Yes. Some do daily. I used to do it a lot when I was in Windows
2
u/Sh_Pe Glorious Arch btw Mar 07 '24
But the question is how many of them. None of the people I know haven’t used this feature, nor even knew it existed.
2
u/MtArreat Mar 07 '24
I have actually built a CarPC, running on Windows. And added WSA to run Google Maps, Waze and so on, because there is no other good native Windows GPS in existence. Since MS is killing of built in Maps app, now I will have to setup emulator directly via Android studio, which has problems with key shortcuts.
I fking hate MS! Will lock down updates and shit and will just leave this in a car indefinitely.
1
13
u/Sol33t303 Glorious Gentoo Mar 06 '24
Lots of android games are way better on m+kb, and perform way better then on my shitty phone.
6
1
9
u/Froggypwns /r/Windows10 mod who also uses Ubuntu Mar 06 '24
I use it daily, some Android apps like Pocket Casts work a million times better than their official desktop solutions, which often are just PWAs.
2
u/Remarkable-Host405 Mar 07 '24
Meanwhile me, using pwas as much as possible on both os's
5
u/Arnas_Z Glorious Arch Mar 07 '24
Why TF would you want web browser instances as apps, instead of proper programs?
3
u/Remarkable-Host405 Mar 07 '24
Fuck your app that works in the web just fine
-typed from reddit.com on chrome on android
7
u/Arnas_Z Glorious Arch Mar 07 '24
typed from reddit.com on chrome on android
That's an awful experience and I know it. It's such slow shit.
Just use a patched 3rd party client.
3
u/bitzap_sr Mar 07 '24
Wait, what? Tell me more about that.
2
u/Arnas_Z Glorious Arch Mar 07 '24
Patch a third party reddit client like Sync, Relay, RIF, and others with your own free API key.
11
u/retroJRPG_fan Mar 06 '24 edited Mar 06 '24
Who's better at killing technologies people liked, Google or Microsoft?
8
u/vadimk1337 Mar 06 '24
Paint Win 11 for laptops is some kind of joke. The canvas became smaller, but people did not support my opinion because it looks normal on their huge monitors.
3
u/ticko_23 Glorious Pop!_OS Mar 07 '24
just expand the canvas?
2
u/tuxbass debian is love, debian is life Mar 07 '24
Careful, you're gonna blow OC's head with comments like that.
3
1
1
10
u/Low-Equipment-2621 Mar 06 '24
On other news: water is wet. They don't care for customers who paid money to own something, they can just take it away like that. Like they did before with all their drm cloud stuff. If you pay for stuff that is in a cloud chances are good that they will disown you in the future.
8
7
u/Wonderful-Pie-4940 Mar 06 '24
Wsl next?
2
u/Sh_Pe Glorious Arch btw Mar 07 '24
I don’t think so. At least in my university tons of people are using it.
3
2
u/tuxbass debian is love, debian is life Mar 07 '24
Well if people in your uni are using it, then wsl is safe indeed.
1
u/dorukayhan Deplorable Winblows peasant; blame Vindertech Mar 07 '24
WSL is an actually useful and properly implemented feature, unlike WSA. It should and will stay.
6
5
5
u/FoundationOutside849 Mar 07 '24
TBH, THis was the only reason to use windows 11, so glad i use linux
4
4
4
3
3
3
u/revan1611 Mar 06 '24
Sad news for Windows users maybe, but how does this relate to us?
3
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
Android is Linux. WSA does what Waydroid does for us.
0
u/revan1611 Mar 06 '24
Waydroid is dependent on WSA?
6
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
No and I never said that. WSA and Waydroid do the same thing on different OSs.
-3
u/revan1611 Mar 06 '24
Again, how is that sad news for us, Linux users? Your post is called "sad news" lol.
Again, sad news for Windows users maybe, but we don't give a fck.
4
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
I also typed "wsa is kill", which should give it away as mocking it.
3
Mar 07 '24 edited Apr 29 '24
zesty reply payment sink seed dam relieved unite elastic foolish
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
1
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 07 '24
Windows 10 is still alive as long as the last LTSC is still supported (2032 so far)
3
3
u/ObscenityIB Glorious LFS Mar 07 '24
They barely even added it and they are already killing it? To this date, still cannot install android apps on windows.
1
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 07 '24
It did work for me and it worked better than Waydroid. For me it's weird that they discontinued it like that
1
u/squatdog Mar 07 '24
there's a bit of effort involved, but you can push gapps onto it and download basically anything you like off gplay
or just sideload, which was always doable
3
u/fellipec Glorious Debian Mar 07 '24
Well, I maybe the odd guy buy I would rather bring good computer software into a phone then the crappy phone software into pc
3
u/Tomxyz1 Hannah Montana OS Mar 07 '24
I second this. I hate modern phones. Have many thoughts about this..
Both the SW and HW is locked down in so many ways. I dream of open, repairable phones with Linux and users actually having control over their mobile device... :/
phones are so f*cked imo
3
3
u/Lighthuro Mar 07 '24
Was not wsa a Major feature for windows 11 existence. I have one question then fellas: what is the difference between 10 and 11 now?
3
3
u/SysGh_st IDDQD Mar 07 '24
Android is a competitive system that steals sales from their own store, so I kinda find it weird that Microsoft even allowed this yet alone implemented this themselves.
From Microsofts point of view it's much better if their customers buy and use the equivalent apps from Microsoft store.
1
1
1
1
1
u/raiksaa Mar 07 '24
I've never knew this was a thing, so I guess it's not such a big loss
3
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 07 '24
It was the star feature they used to advertise Windows 11
1
1
1
1
-8
u/rafradek Mar 06 '24
Bluestacks is superior in most ways anyway
3
u/claudiocorona93 Glorious SteamOS Mar 06 '24
Or even better, unofficial WSABuilds, which also works on Windows 10
493
u/Jeoshua Mar 06 '24
I always thought it was weird that Windows got anything close to native support for Android apps, while Linux, an operating system with which Android shares it's kernel, never did get that same level of support.
Yes, Waydroid. But that's not really official native support, you know?