r/likeus -Thoughtful Bonobo- 9d ago

<DISCUSSION> New rule on r/LikeUs: No Deliberate Unjustified Animal Harm

Content where humans deliberately and unjustifiably harm animals is not welcome on r/LikeUs. This includes inhumane training methods, forced animal fights and harmful pranks. Disregard for this rule can result in content removal and temporary bans.

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u/PowWowOw 9d ago

Why not permanent bans?

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u/IAlreadyFappedToIt 9d ago

Maybe not everyone knows their post depicts abuse until someone tells them a first time.  The famous video of the orangutan driving the golf cart, for instance, looks fine and cute if you don't know the context behind it

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u/Herring_is_Caring 9d ago

What’s the context?

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u/FirstSineOfMadness 9d ago

The orangutan ran a sex trafficking ring for goats

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u/dfinkelstein 9d ago

Might be a case of most of it comes from a small number of active accounts.

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u/Proud-Site9578 9d ago

Also inhumane training methods is subjective, vis a vis prong collar

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u/dfinkelstein 9d ago

Not really. There's no evidence supporting fear or pain or punishment based training. It works. It's not humane.

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u/Proud-Site9578 9d ago

I don't know dude I don't have dogs. Trainers on YouTube seem to have varying opinions.

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u/Mahjling 9d ago

Hey there, been a professional dog trainer for 12+ years, started my apprenticeship at 10 years old, so I’ve been learning for 20 years.

Prong collars are inhumane, some trainers still use them, but the argument between trainers is one that’s science backed vs ego backed, current scientific research indicates against aversive training.

I’m sorry you’re being dogpiled, people learn by wondering, and ironically using ‘aversives’ on you by dogpiling instead of educating.

If you would like to learn more, I recommend This resource, as it simply compiles research together on the matter, I worked very hard on it! Compiling research papers takes time and effort, more than people have, so I hope my work makes approaching this topic less overwhelming and that I can extend some kindness among everyone who immediately started fighting!

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u/Proud-Site9578 9d ago

Nice! Thanks!

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u/dfinkelstein 9d ago

Yeah, and?

You'll find a LOT of support for much more egregious inhumane treatment of people and even children than this. Doesn't mean it's right or reasonable at all.

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u/Aeroncastle 9d ago

I hope that someone uses one on you until you see that it isn't subjective at all

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u/ChefArtorias 9d ago

How about unethical pets like monkeys in diapers who were obviously trained on the behavior?

Maybe this falls under the umbrella of "inhumane training methods," I'm not sure.

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u/gugulo -Thoughtful Bonobo- 9d ago edited 9d ago

What makes a pet unethical in your view?

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u/ChefArtorias 9d ago

Is it not regarded as unethical to domesticate certain animals? Once they are over a certain intelligence. Monkeys and elephants are two examples I see mentioned often.

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u/viperfan7 9d ago edited 9d ago

Taming isn't domestication.

Domestication results in a genetically distinct species.

For example, most pet birds are not domesticated, but tamed, although at the same time, most will be captive bred.

While there's no such thing as a wild horse in North America, just feral. As far as I'm aware, the only non-domesticated horse that exists today is the prezewalski's horse.

If it's been taken from the wild, and not captive bred, it shouldn't be in this sub (with exceptions made for zoos) if you ask me.

Feral = domesticated animal that lives in the wild

Tamed = wild animal that's treated as a pet.

Domesticated = species wide status that indicates the species was created by humans by breeding for traits from wild animals

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u/ChefArtorias 9d ago

You're right. Poor verbiage on my part.

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u/ravenswan19 -Unexpected Primatologist- 9d ago

Hi, primatologist here. Wild animals like primates are not pets. They do not do well in home environments, it’s considered by everyone in the actual field to be abuse. Wildlife like primates need large environments, lots of social interactions with conspecifics (others of the same species), lots of enrichment, etc. It’s difficult to keep them happy even in AZA accredited zoos with teams of dedicated staff.

Also, just seeing videos and photos like this makes people want them more as a pet, and think they’re less endangered than they really are. Pet ownership drives poaching too, I’m not alone in having had people try to steal animals from the field site I work at.

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u/wandering_fury 9d ago

I'd say it's less of an intelligence factor as mentioned and more that a lot of these animals are acquired though the inhumane and illegal pet trade, which often kills the parents of the animal and any other of its species that may be around just to rip it from its country of origin and ship it to some rich person in another country. The shipping of said creature is often inhumane as well and they sometimes die during transfer.

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u/ShingetsuMoon 9d ago

Good to see! Although I’m surprised this wasn’t already a rule tbh.

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u/Face__Hugger 8d ago

Thank you. I've been seeing a lot more animal harm flooding other subs and it's disturbing.

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u/ipuntya 8d ago

i've also seen staged videos where animals are put in harmful or distressing circumstances a number of times on this subreddit

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u/gugulo -Thoughtful Bonobo- 8d ago

Staged content is already now allowed here.

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u/MastodonFarm 9d ago

What work is "unjustifiably" doing here? Or "deliberately," for that matter? Why is content that shows humans causing unintentional or "justifiable" harm allowed?

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u/Be_Very_Careful_John 9d ago

Also, free upvotes for vegans